Octavio? Do Tell

UPDATE: Yeah, this happened.

OK, so I really just wanted to make a post with that deliciously punny title. But, yes, it’s true, the Jays were rumored to be in on journeyman reliever Octavio Dotel this afternoon. Then they weren’t… but they might still be… but maybe not.

You can follow all the sheganigans– a word I use occasionally for the sole purpose of reminding me that when I was about ten I convinced my friend’s older brother that this was how you pronounce it, and that he was a retard for saying “shenanigans,” and this still amuses me– at MLBTR. Or, y’know, we could lay down and I could fill you in. Heyo! Fletch joke!

Basically– and I’m not quite sure why it’s taken me two paragraphs (albeit grade one level Toronto Sun-sized ones) to get to this point– Enrique Rojas of ESPN Deportes reported that the Jays and Dotel were close, SI’s Jon Heyman confirmed as much on Twitter, then clarified that teams– the Rays, Pirates and the “others”– were still in on him.

So… at this point it’s kinda hard to know what to think. Or… it’s not.

The deal is reportedly for one year and in the neighborhood of $3.5-million, and… fuck, I know the Rays are hurtin’, but I have a hard time seeing Octavio spurning them for the Jays, if they offer up anything like that kind of money. Both teams will give him the opportunity to close, and maybe I’m crazy, but I just don’t see Tampa almost-falling completely off the map the way some others do. I’d be surprised if he chose closing for us over closing for them… but what do I know?

Actually, I do know (see what I just did there?) that despite people like, say, Parkes (or maybe only him) already coming out and saying they’re not really feeling this move, I don’t really see the harm. It’s not a hefty price tag for an experienced arm with a great strikeout rate, despite an atrocious walk rate, and a below average HR/9 and FIP. Uh… yeah.

But here’s the rub: as I’ve said many times, I’m not really big on the specialized closer role, but you know what I’m pretty sure is? The Elias rankings.

Now, it’s definitely possible I’ve gone a bit overboard in trying to shoehorn ideas about potential draft pick compensation into how I try to wrap my head around how the front office of Anthopoulos operates, but I can’t lie, this is another case where it might make sense. Dotel is a type-B, largely, I reckon (read: am totally guessing), because the rankings give too much weight to things like saves. Personally, I’d rather my team use their better pitchers in high-leverage situations earlier in the game, and save the clean ninth for… well… a guy like Dotel, who will probably be decent at it (he saved 22 games in 2010), and who is only under the team’s control for one year. Making a guy like him your closer gives him a decent shot at putting up numbers that will allow him to maintain his type-B status, and his relatively cheap contract means he doesn’t have to do much to build enough value to think he might get a bigger contract on the open market than through arbitration. If that’s the case, he declines your offer of arbitration next year, and boom, you just got yourself an extra draft pick.

Of course, a few things have to go right for it to happen that way– or he could even pull a Jason Frasor and wind up a type-A guy, which complicates things significantly– but it’s a nice low-risk high-reward move. Plus, you need a closer anyway. I mean, for fuck sakes, don’t let Frasor start piling up saves or he’ll never drop back down to type-B! And that’s another potential outcome– two type-B relievers who aren’t really in your plans anyway.

Again, hardly an automatic proposition, but it’s definitely doable, and since he’s cheap-ish, should be reasonably effective, and you could use an arm back there anyway, why not take a shot at it? At least, that’s how I might be able to see it if somebody were to try and argue it that way.

NOTE: As Parkes pointed out on Twitter, Dotel has been a complete shitshow against lefties in recent years, so maybe my insistence that he can be effective doesn’t quite work. Of course, the other side of it is that it makes his numbers against right-handers that much better than the overall. But yes, giving him the ball to start the ninth regardless of who is due up, like you would a proper closer, would seem to be a giant clusterfuck waiting to happen.

Still, you could find a way to make it work– and I could find a way, and John Farrell could certainly find a way… though I suspect there are some managers who would have a stroke trying to execute such a strategy (ahem!)– and his holding RHB to OPSes of .652 and .576 the last two years ain’t nothin’ neither. So I’m going to stand by my convoluted thinking on this one.

Comments (355)

  1. whoa…. you two in agreement. Losers really do stick together.

  2. I like the cut of your jib. Want to meet me at Opera Bob’s for a no-strings attached hummer?

  3. did u get blocked on mlbtr? i saw ur comment was removed

  4. we have ove 300. nothing special happened what the fuck!

  5. Who really gives a fuck about clout points? JB maybe..

  6. Wrong, chief.
    I realize social maladjusts like I. Cream Jonsey and the late, lamented JB are lifeless and unemployed, but many of us come here to read and digest info in bite-sized pieces. Again, it takes skill to condense one’s thoughts into one graf. I have no use for Twitter in this world or the next, but that might be its single redeeming aspect.
    Maybe you’re one of the guys who thinks you’re a ‘good’ writer … like all those who think they’re good at singing, dancing, driving and lovemaking.
    In short — be concise or go fuck yourself.

  7. Usually it takes 300 comments for Stoeten to get off his ass and do a new post when nothing is happening. The comment sections end up more polluted than Michelle Pfiefer’s womb in Scarface, so it is nice to see something fresh.

  8. AHAHAHAHA! even de other trolls are objectin to de crazy batty boy

  9. Jays let go of Dirk Hayhurst!

    http://dirkhayhurst.com/2011/0

  10. Seriously, there are losers here enough to copy someone else’s name?

  11. Right on, champ. I shall heed your advice and shorten things up – go fuck YOURself. Hah.

  12. Wow, you want to fight a guy based on what he said to you in the comments of a post. What a loser.

  13. As you wish, Stoeten.

  14. Thanks for the draft pick Gregg.

  15. It dfoesn’t automatically trigger, you ignorant fuck.

  16. 2 years and 10 million plus an option for Gregg. I guess the Orioles value Gregg vastly different than the Blue Jays do. The guy was almost a scrap heap pick up last year (same as Buck). Now teams have guaranteed them 26 million as they return to pumpkin status.

  17. The O’s need a reliever because they just lost one to an involuntary manslaughter charge in DR. Good timing for Gregg, him being available and all.

  18. all i did was ask a question. settle the fuck down!

  19. John Sickels
    8) Johermyn Chavez, OF, Grade C+: As with many Mariners prospects, the High Desert question precludes a higher grade until we see him in Double-A.

    It will be interesting to see how he ends up and whether the Morrow – League trade will still look as bad for the Mariners.

  20. but, but, but what if theres a global economic collapse and toronto’s economy goes down the tubes and rogers has to cut their spending on the jays? then we’re fucked! we’re fucked no matter what! WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE

  21. Decent AA interview on the 5pm hour of PTS today.

  22. guess so!

  23. are you available isa baby? I’d love to give you an involuntary charge.

  24. Pretty much everything he said I agreed with but man, he is way too smart and diplomatic to be a decent interview, McCown can’t anything out of the guy.

  25. I am a clueless misfit, caught up in a fantasy videogame playing world of spell-casting, sword-clanging, and dice-rolling. I’m obviously a 17-year-old twat who’s never been laid, never gone out on a date, never had a drink harder than cider, and never travelled.

  26. Reminds me of that dude from that movie role models

  27. McCowan seems absolutely stuck on the idea that the Jays should have sold the farm to go for it this year.

  28. Huh, I guess I see now why everyone says that guy has obsessive compulsive disorder. Is he also posting as Sniderlover?

  29. I see what you mean about Jonsey. He has such little support on here that he inevitably degenerates into posting anonymous support for himself. That being said, you’re psychosis is no less frightening. I hope both of you have learned a little lesson and in the future can find it in yourselves to spare this community your ramblings.

  30. Jesus Christ, the OCD Retard is the most relentless loser the world has ever known. Not only has this been going on for days (I post once, the OCD tard begs for attention up to a week later) it’s been going on for MONTHS.

    You’re like a dog that won’t stop humping my leg. Get down, boy. Also: “You’re psychosis”. That’s great stuff. Why can’t you be obsessive about learning basic grammar, so you don’t come off as an uneducated, insipid simpleton? (I don’t mean to give you attention. I know your cock is SO HARD when I do so, faggot.)

  31. 7 of 72 first picks in 2011. Question: When will the Jays contend?

    My guess: 2016.

  32. for the love of god kill this thread with a new post. any online thread is dead when hitler is mentioned, and any djf post is dead when “i scream” jonsey is trying to have the last word.

  33. Quite a few free agents next off season as well, here’s hoping they can game the system again.

  34. Robbie Alomar, 2011 HOF inductee.

  35. Shut the fuck up.

    I post about baseball and the OCD Tard squeals for a dozen posts afterwards. If he was hanging on your leg you’d try to shake him off as well. He did the whole fakepost-as-his-current-crush bit when JB was around, then he did it to Stoeten until Stoeten banned his IP which shut him up for a while, but then he started doing it to me.

    I think it’s pretty clear that when you work a guy into a froth to the point where he literally is begging to fistfight you as I did, it’s obvious who the problem is.

  36. I’m really not sure what you’re rambling about. I simply wish you and Tebow would kindly fuck off or post something baseball related, but it appears that might be asking too much of you. Faggot? Jesus, how old are you?

  37. ESPN front page has Alomar in an Indians jersey. The Fucks.

  38. Hey retard, when I want to address you, I’ll address you under the only name that I use. If you think I’m so in awe of you that I have to hide behind other people’s names, you’re sadly mistaken. Just crawl back into whatever American sewer you slithered out of, and leave this team and its fans alone.

  39. I guess we have to get 3000 comments now for a new thread?

  40. Also, I couldn’t help but laugh at the dumbfuck who gave Bret Boone a vote into the HoF.

  41. Yep, so did USA Today.

  42. Ice Cream Jonsey -

    You will acknowledge your betters and shut the fuck up, for once.

  43. As opposed to working a sad little troll into a froth to the point where he threatens to kill you.

  44. /shakes leg, fails to dislodge the bitch trying to hump it

  45. i dont understand how you can focus on one person who doesnt like your posts

    the reality is nobody likes your multi-paragraph ramblings about nothing

    dont go away mad jonesy, do everybody a favour and just go away

  46. Feliz Año Nuevo.

    I don’t read Jonsey’s posts, especially since the death threats apparently continue, but he does seem to be the excrement who draws in all the frivolous flies. While I do not believe in banning any but the most intentionally disruptive commenters, I am honestly not sure what would make more readers happy: Alomar inducted bearing a Jays cap this July or the banning of Ice Cream Jonsey. I’m sure Stoeten could justify the banning as a celebratory gesture.

    Having read several threads with exasperation sporadically for the last month, I think Alomar should remind all of us that it is not one element, like our farm teams or spending on free agency, that can win us a championship or even bring us the kind of remarkable performances we witnessed from Alomar. How many fans thought Joe Carter would be more beloved than Fred McGriff when that San Diego trade occured? A lesson about enjoying the present rather than perpetually looking to the future, I think.

  47. Well said, and I also think that Jose Bautista could represent a kind of present day Alomar for the Jays, and not just because of the home runs and production. He truly seems like a” team first” kind of guy and I think that’s what endeared Alomar to so many fans. Still love the home run of off Eckersley, classic.

  48. Thanks for letting us know what you don’t understand. We were all extremely curious.

  49. wow alex is now resorting to raiding the pirates farm system. this guy ledezma is horrible but hey he can strike guys out and that’s all that seems to matter for the greek god of draft picks.

  50. All who wish Jonsey would fuck off and leave click the like button. Maybe he will see just how many people dislike him.

  51. all who wish jonsey will stay and keep pissing off everyone click the like button.

  52. If only Jonsey would honor the results.

  53. all who wish isabella reyes would show us her tits click the like button

  54. “Us”?? What, are you on the team or in the Front Office?

  55. you losers started a poll

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