It’s the 2012 MLB Draft, and though the Toronto Blue Jays don’t pick until number seventeen, there will still be a lot to talk about– most likely a critique of the MLB Network’s coverage, which really kicked off with a shitacular Theory of a NickelCreedback honk of an opening montage– so I’ll be here making pithy remarks all night.

There’s a live chat at Getting Blanked, where Parkes and company will be chatting along with the broadcast, and incorporating tweets from draft gurus like Jim Callis, Keith Law and Kevin Goldstein. After trying it out a bit, I’ve decided to leave it with the link, rather than providing the window for it over here. I’ll be making my comments below the jump, including updating the picks as they happen… because… I’m sure it will be impossible for you to find that information anywhere.

Let me know if you find the formatting irritating and I’ll be happy to change stuff around to make it a better experience for everyone.

7:11 PM: Pretty sure I heard this was going to start at 7. Bring on the Astros!

7:18 PM: The Houston Astros take Carlos Correa, SS from Puerto Rice. (1)

7:19 PM: Welp… so much for, y’know, every fucking mock draft. Now things get interesting…

7:26 PM: The Minnesota Twins take Byron Buxton, HS OF from Georgia. (2)

7:29 PM: Seriously, a half hour in and we’ve heard two picks? That’s it?!? Good lord.

7:31 PM: The Seattle Mariners take Mike Zunino, C from Florida. (3)

7:34 PM: I’m going to add some real content here soon, just trying not to fall into a coma at the rate these picks are moving.

7:38 PM: The Baltimore Orioles take Kevin Gausman, RHP from LSU. (4)

7:40 PM: Holy shit, wither Mark Appel? I don’t know if this slide is worse than the fact that, inevitably, at some point, I’m going to get his name confused with local music scene guy Mikey Apples, but it’s getting real close. Did any team after this point think he was even going to be there? Madness!

7:44 PM: The Kansas City Royals take Kyle Zimmer, RHP from the University of San Francisco. (5)

7:49 PM: The Chicago Cubs take Albert Almora, HS OF from Florida. (6)

7:51 PM: Almora, I should add, is pick number six. I’ll add that into each line on the selections. I’ll also start peppering in some Jays-relevant stuff from Keith Law’s chat earlier today at ESPN.com, like this:

Jason (St Louis)
Didn’t MLB say they didn’t want teams punting picks to game the new system?
Klaw
Sort of. They said don’t take bogus prospects. I meant take a decent college senior or a JC kid who’ll sign for half or a quarter of slot – but is still more than just a warm body.

7:55 PM: The San Diego Padres take Max Fried, HS LHP from California. (7)

7:57 PM: Asked if Appel’s slide is based on signability, Keith Law tweets, “All I can say is it’s not about ability or injury.” He is a Boras client, it should be pointed out. The Jays are still ten picks away, so it’s a little premature to start fantasizing about a decision between Appel and Giolito just yet– especially because we really don’t know anything about these guys. Also, the odds are they won’t get there anyway, but… we shall see.

7:59 PM: Joe Christensen of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune tweets, “Even if Appel gets drafted now, I’d be surprised if he signed. Kid wants his Stanford degree. All slots from No. 8 onward < $3 million.” The Jays could make it happen by shifting their monies around, obviously, but they can’t do it twice. But if there are two high end guys sliding– Appel and Giolito– I suppose it increases the odds that they’ll get aggressive and go after one. We joked on today’s podcast that the Jays probably didn’t even bother having Byron Buxton on their board. I wonder how much they even looked at Appel…

8:00 PM: Aaaaaaand all that is for naught, because…

8:00 PM: The Pittsburgh Pirates take Mark Appel, RHP from Stanford. (8)

8:01 PM: Somewhere @TheScottLewis is a happy man. Nice pickup by the Pirates– now they just gotta sign him.

8:05 PM: In the Getting Blanked Live Chat they’re playing Guess the Comp, based on the ridiculous things being said on the MLB Network. Join the fun!

8:08 PM: The Miami Marlins take Andrew Heaney, LHP from Oklahoma State. (9)

8:12 PM: Back to the KLaw Chat for an interesting tidbit for those of you who are absurdly hooked on thoughts of Giolito, based on what little we know of him… y’know, myself included…

Beau (NOLA)
Klaw, as a Reds fan, what do you think the best outcome could be at 14? Was very pleased with Giolito in your latest mock.
Klaw
Then I’m sorry to report they’re not taking him.

8:14 PM: The Colorado Rockies take David Dahl, HS OF from Alabama. (10)  

8:16 PM: Phil Rogers of the Chicago Tribune tweets (kinda) that the Cubs may regret the fact that they were so hard on Almora, given Appel’s slide, “just as they allowed Georgia Tech C Matt Wieters to get past them in 2007, when they took Josh Vitters with the 3rd overall pick.”

8:19 PM: According to Keith Law’s final mock draft at ESPN.com (Insider Only), the Jays were in on Dahl, who was just selected by Colorado.

8:20 PM: The Oakland A’s take Addison Russell, HS SS from Florida. (11)

8:22 PM: The A’s took a Boras client? Did I just hear that right? What is the world coming to?!? (*Oh, but, of course, I don’t mean “client,” I just mean Boras is his “advisor.” Biiiiiiig difference.)

8:24 PM: KLaw tweets that the Mets are on Gavin Cecchini here. That’s who he had the Jays taking in his final mock, so things are getting all mixed up as we start to close in on the Jays’ first pick, which comes at 17, and will probably be made around 9 PM, at this damn rate.

8:26 PM: The New York Mets take Gavin Cecchini, HS SS from Louisiana. (12)

8:28 PM: The White Sox are on the clock, and they were one of the teams that pushed hard for the spending limits in the draft, reportedly, so I think you can give your heart a rest here, if you’re still holding your breath for Giolito to slip to the Jays. Can’t see the Sox going off the board– but, of course, what the fuck do I know?

8:30 PM: More fodder for the Giolito movement, as Jim Callis tweets that “if Giolito doesn’t go 12 to Mets I think he’s out of play until at least Blue Jays at 17. But we’ve already had lot of surprises.” As we now know, the Mets passed.

8:34 PM: The Chicago White Sox take Courtney Hawkins, HS OF from Texas. (13)

8:36 PM: As mentioned above, Law says the Reds aren’t taking Giolito, and Callis doesn’t see anyone from 14 to 16 on him either. The Reds are, indeed, on the clock, as the Jays edge closer. I think my 9 PM call is maybe a bit pessimistic. Still… making it to pick 60 is going to kill me, if only because, if I keep sitting here watching this until pick 60, I’m pretty sure my girlfriend is going to kill me.

8:38 PM: Of course, all this Giolito talk presumes that the Jays are even going to want to take him if he’s there. Wacha, McCullers, and others seem well regarded for them to look for there too. I don’t know… but we’re getting closer to finding out, at least.

8:41 PM: Because his is the name we’re really talking about, another KLaw comment on Giolito:

Derrek (Norfolk)
Where would Giolito be drafted if he didn’t have signability issues?
Klaw
I think the elbow (even though I think it’s fine) is more of a variable than the signability.

8:43 PM: The Cincinnati Reds take Nick Travieso, HS RHP from Florida. (14)

8:45 PM: According to ESPN’s Top 100 prospects list (Insider Only), Travieso was the 33rd best prospect out there. And according to his embarrassing MLB Network video, Travieso might be a bit of a fucking tool.

8:48 PM: The Clevelands take Tyler Naquin, OF from Texas A&M. (15)

8:50 PM: Getting close now, with only the Nationals left to pick before the Jays. Naquin was even more off the ESPN board, as he came in at 42 on their Top 100.

8:53 PM: The other guru’s seem pretty surprised, for what it’s worth, about Naquin. Moment of truth coming up… looks like things are falling into place for the Jays to get aggressive with someone and start playing the money game.

8:54 PM: The Washington Nationals take Lucas Giolito, HS RHP from California. (16)

8:56 PM: Cue the wailing, as Giolito is snatched from under the Jays’ noses by the Washington Nationals. I think it’s a smart move for them, based on what absolutely little I know about any of these guys– including the exquisite fuck all I know about Giolito’s health– and this will be a player that Jays fans may have their eyes on for years to come. Or… maybe they’re about to pick someone great. Roy Halladay was a 17th overall pick once, don’t forget.

9:00 PM: The Toronto Blue Jays take DJ Davis, HS OF from Mississippi. (17)

9:02 PM: Since I was pointing out such things, I’ll note that Davis was way down at 65 on the ESPN list, which is exactly why I spent the week saying that we shouldn’t get so wrapped up in such things. The lazy comp from the MLB Network was a Juan Pierre with more power, and Keith Law had him going to the Jays (albeit at 22) in his last mock, saying that “everyone says the Blue Jays intend to continue to draft for upside wherever possible,” implying that this is indeed one of those picks.

9:08 PM: The Los Angeles Dodgers take Corey Seager, HS SS from North Carolina. (18)

9:11 PM: The St. Louis Cardinals take Michael Wacha, RHP from Texas A&M. (19)

9:12 PM: In his last mock draft at Baseball Prospectus, Kevin Goldstein calls Davis the fastest player in the draft, while hisESPN scouting report says that “Davis is one of two 80 runners in the draft this year (the other is Byron Buxton) with the athleticism and bat speed to look like a potential star in the big leagues, but bearing big questions about how prepared he is to hit pro pitching with a wood bat.” The ESPN report questions whether he’ll develop the power that the MLB Network folks felt was possible, especially because of his “noisy lower half.” They add that “Davis is a great upside play but will likely require a lot of patience as well as some work to calm down his swing.” Upside and an athlete… should we really be so surprised?

9:15 PM: The San Francisco Giants take Chris Stratton, RHP from Mississippi State. (20)

9:19 PM: Still going with Davis stuff as we get closer again to the Jays next pick– number 22. On Saturday, Lone Star Ball provided a scouting report for Davis as a potential Rangers pick, explaining in it that while “Davis was ranked #66 on Law’s early May top 100 player rankings,” he was at “#20 in Baseball America’s top 500 ranking, and #30 in Kevin Goldstein’s top 30 ranking. While Law has Davis going to Texas in his most recent mock draft, Jim Callis’s most recent mock draft has Davis going to the Toronto Blue Jaysat #17, Jonathan Mayo’s has him going at #26, and Frankie Piliere has Davis going to Toronto, but at #22.”

So… it’s not a completely off-the-board pick, even if it’s maybe a letdown for those of us hopeful that Giolito would fall here. But even if it was crazy off-the board, I’m pretty sure Noah Syndergaard was, too, and that hasn’t worked out nearly so bad, has it?

We’ve only seen one piece of the strategy puzzle unfold here, so it’s hard to get too worked up, I think.

9:22 PM: The Atlanta Braves take Lucas Sims, HS RHP from Georgia. (21).

9:22 PM: The Jays are now on the clock. This pick is compensation for their failure to sign Tyler Beede last year, and as such, they won’t get another pick again next year, should they fail to sign who goes here. In other words, whoever they take, it’s safe to say they intend on signing him. Might be a cheap college guy who allows them to siphon off some money and get more aggressive with their later picks. We’ll see…

9:25 PM: More on Davis, as Coast 2 Coast prospects adds a note that “reports about his bat have been positive this spring and he has risen up draft boards accordingly,” for whatever that’s worth.

9:27 PM: More notes on Davis, which come via MLB Prospect Portal, who say it’s from somewhere at MLB.com:

“Players who make a charge up draft boards are said to have ‘helium.’ Davis was floating up about as quickly as anyone in the class.”

They add that “What’s made him a more complete prospect is how far he’s come with the bat. He’s showing the ability to use a better approach and hit the gaps, developing from a guy who can run to a guy who can hit and run,” and add that “More than anything, Davis plays with high energy and seems to understand his game, profiling as a dynamic leadoff hitter type at the next level.”

9:29 PM: The Toronto Blue Jays take Marcus Stroman, RHP from Duke. (22)

9:30 PM: He may be the steal of this first round, says Jonathan Mayo on the MLB Network broadcast, lauding his athleticism, after spending much of the previous segment talking about how he is so close to the Majors, can help the bullpen this year, and– like Chris Sale– could move to the rotation down the road, as he has started and excelled at Duke. Hard not to like.

“In September, this guy could be, for whoever he’s pitching for, like Francisco Rodriguez in 2002,” we’re told.

9:32 PM: In his final mock, Kevin Goldstein had Stroman going at number 13 to the White Sox, while Keith Law wrote that “I would give Stroman the chance to start in pro ball and prove that he can’t do it rather than simply assuming he’ll fail because of a lack of size. Some team will draft him and have him in a big league bullpen before the end of the season.”

9:33 PM: The St. Louis Cardinals take James Ramsey, OF from Florida St. (23).

9:34 PM: Programming Note: That’s it for listing picks. We’re talking Davis, Stroman, and picks 50, 58 and 60 from here out. Presumably with some kind of a break in there somewhere.

9:35 PM: Stroman’s ESPN.com scouting report explains that he “would go in the top five picks this year if he were only about five or six inches taller, but at 5-9 or so he’s being pegged as a reliever by most scouts.” He has a starter’s repe-twah, they say, and that he “works from 92-95, but has shown 95-97 in relief.” They add that “Stroman’s main issue is a lack of plane or downward life on his fastball, so he gives up more contact than you’d like on the pitch, but that could be alleviated if he tried to throw a two-seamer, or if he goes to the pen and adds a grade of velocity. He’s a certain big leaguer and about as low-risk a player as there is in this draft.”

If the Jays were going to go low-risk, it sounds like a tremendous way to have done so, with Stroman being able to replace some traded bullpen pieces later this season, or– if the Jays hang around in it– to give a boost to the ‘pen for a stretch run.

9:40 PM ET:  Holy shitballs: Stroman tweets a pic of him with his parents. Um… can his dad swing a bat? I think we could use him…

9:46 PM: Back to DJ Davis, Kevin Goldstein tweets that he’s got “absolutely CRAZY speed, and he’s not just a slap hitter.” He scoffs at the Juan Pierre comp, saying that he’s got “at least gap power,” and was the fastest player in the draft. ”

He later adds that “I think the picks have to be judged as a pair,” referring to the Jays at 17 and 22, and yet he wonders “if they already had deal there.”

9:53 PM: Break time for me! But I’ll be back, just need to stand up a little while. Talk amongst yourselves…

11:30 PM: The Toronto Blue Jays take Matt Smoral, HS LHP from Ohio, Mitch Nay, HS 3B from Arizona, and Tyler Gonzalez, HS RHP from Texas. (50, 58, 60)

11:34 PM: Smoral is the big one at 50– or as Kevin Goldstein tweets, “There’s your aggressive punch of a pick we’ve been waiting for from the Jays.” He was at 29 on Keith Law’s final mock draft, at 30 on the ESPN ranking of draft prospects, and also to Texas at 29 in Goldstein’s final mock. Smoral missed nearly the entire year with a broken bone in his foot, Goldstein explains at Baseball Prospectus, so “nobody has gotten a good look at him this year, which has scared many teams off, but six-foot-seven lefties who can touch 95 mph don’t exactly grow on trees.”

11:38 PM: More glowing reports on Smoral from his ESPN.com scouting report, which explains that, prior to breaking his foot, “Smoral had pitched like a potential top-10 overall pick, touching 95, sitting 89-93 with plus life and a hard out-pitch slider, even showing the ability to pitch to his glove side with the fastball.”

11:48 PM: Coast 2 Coast Prospects, whatever that is, compares Mitch Nay to a Michael Cuddyer type, projected to go somewhere in the round two to four range, with “outstanding raw power and very good bat speed,” however, “he has a very aggressive approach and attacks the ball, and thus may be susceptible to higher level pitching, where he will see more breaking balls and better location of the fastball on the inner half, where he may get tied up.”

It’d be easy to look at this as an over-draft pick to help save some money to pay Smoral, but ESPN’s rankings had him at number 42.

11:54 PM: “A rough spring and questions about his hit tool and position have hurt his stock slightly,” says ESPN, while still calling him “one of the better pure power bats in the draft this year.” In his chat today, Keith Law said that he’s a “power bat at 3b but will move to RF/LF in pro ball,” adding that his grandfather was a big leaguer.

“He added muscle this spring but ended up a little stiffer as a result,” says his profile at ESPN.com, who add that compounding the red flags is the fact that “he developed his power tool before his hit tool, and most scouts prefer players who show they can hit and will likely develop power.”

“He made some adjustments to his mechanics at the plate, going from being bent over at the waist early in the year to standing up a little taller, and it paid dividends,” explains the scouting report on Nay at MLB.com.

12:01 AM: On the Jays’ last pick (of the first supplemental round), Tyler Gonzales, MLB.com writes, that he’s “more thrower than pitcher, but guys who can throw as hard as he can will always generate interest. Also a shortstop who could potentially play and pitch at the University of Texas, most think he should pitch as a professional. That might be because he has a potentially plus fastball, one he’s cranked up to 96 mph in the past.”

12:05 AM: More on Smoral from his ESPN.com scouting report (Insider Only), which says that “his trouble staying healthy is a real red flag for teams, perhaps not enough to send him to UNC but enough to push him out of the top half of the first round, even though there are a number of similarities to Bumgarner that would otherwise put him there.” Yes, that’s the young ward of Parkes’s dream, Madison Bumgarner of the Giants, who comes from a similar 3/4 slot as Smoral, according to the report.

12:07 AM: Interesting little notes from PerfectGame.org on each of the players selected by the Jays coming up…

12:14 AM: On DJ Davis (17): A report from the end of April compares the two small town high schoolers from the deep south, who have similar tools, though number two pick Buxton is obviously more highly regarded. There’s a story out there that Davis has only flown on a plane twice, and both those times were to attend scouting conferences in the past two years. “There was a day not too far in the past when small town players such as Davis and Buxton could have slipped through the scouting cracks and not been nationally known players. That day has definitely passed. Scouts from the Assistant GM/Scouting Director level on down have been learning where Wiggins (Mississippi) is located this spring as Davis’ has established himself as one of the two top impact speed players in the draft.”

Howedver, “the biggest excitement from scouts hasn’t come from Davis’ speed, which is a given at this point, but from the improvement he’s shown with the bat, especially with his power. Davis is not a slash-and-run hitter and takes a full, aggressive swing at the ball and is looking to drive pitches. He’s also proven to be a very patient hitter who is willing to wait for his pitch and take a walk, a very valuable skill for a baserunning threat.”

12:29 AM: On Marcus Stroman (22): The report on Stroman is from back in February, though apparently it’s not like he’s done a whole lot this season to change the opinion that “despite his smaller frame, Stroman has electric stuff with a fastball at 95-99 mph and a dynamite slider.” The problem, of course, is the fact that he’s a small right-hander– 5’9 and 185 pounds– which scouts don’t like, and, as a Keith Law comment way the fuck back up in this threat said, which limits downhill plane on his fastball, making it harder to hit. Though, it’s not like the Jays aren’t going to get him straight to work on adding some sink, amiright?

“He had 27 straight scoreless innings in 2010 while pitching for Orleans (in the Cape Cod League), and also saved 10 games while walking just three and striking out 35,” we’re told. He played last summer for USA Baseball’s college national team, the report says, and there he “ratcheted up his dominance to a whole new level,” getting to the point where he “was so close to being unhittable that he created a rare buzz in the atmosphere whenever he was called on to close a game.”

“In one outing for Duke as a sophomore, working as a closer,” they add, “Stroman’s fastball was clocked as high as 100 mph, and it became abundantly clear last summer that his future role will be as a closer. Scouts have routinely compared him to former big leaguer Tom Gordon for his combination of big stuff in a small frame.” Yes, I’m sure that’s the only reason…

12:34 AM: On Matthew Smoral (50): Smoral’s report at Perfect Game is from back in January, and it goes straight for the gut with an impressive opening, admitting that “it’s very trite to compare height-advantaged left-handed pitching prospects to future Hall of Famer Randy Johnson…. That being said, there are some valid comparisons between Johnson and the Ohio high school southpaw Matt Smoral aside from their shared height. The first is that Smoral throws from a mid-to-low three-quarters release point that is going to be absolutely scary to left-handed hitters, especially when he learns not to throw from the far third base side of the rubber and creates better angle to the plate. The second is that Smoral’s best pitch is arguably a hard and sharp 84 mph slider he has developed over the last six months and looks to be a potential plus-plus pitch in the future. The third is that Smoral comes about his velocity very easily; he hit 93-94 mph frequently at the WWBA World Championships in late October and throws with little effort.”

OK, so these reports obviously favour the positives, but that’s what draft day is about, isn’t it? Hope for the future!

“Smoral has shown both the ability to throw a mid-70s curveball with good spin and depth to it along with a 83 mph changeup that he throws with arm speed consistent with his fastball and very good late sinking life. There is a chance that he could have four quality big league pitches in the future should he need or want them,” the report goes on.

It adds that “one of the most attractive aspects of Smoral’s prospect resume is that he has shown so much development across the board over the last 16 months,” and that, at least back in January, he was “increasingly standing out as having perhaps the second highest ceiling of the group behind RHP Lucas Giolito. He doesn’t throw as hard as the bevy of 6-foot-1 right-handers with present plus fastballs, nor does he have the breaking ball of fellow left-hander Max Fried. But all the indicators are there that Smoral has more room to grow before he reaches his peak than any of them.”

12:43 AM: On Mitch Nay (58): In a report from mid-April we’re told that Nay had a short resume for a player being picked so high, and that he “did not participate in any of the national level events where cross checkers would normally see him compete against other top level prospects.” Injuries were the reason, but he was able to make up for a lot of lost ground, with more displays of his trademark power all spring, and improvements to his hit tool of late.

“Nay’s biggest tool and the source of all the excitement is his power potential, which combines both raw power (the scout’s term for how far a player can hit the ball) along with power frequency. Along with having plus bat speed, Nay has a loose swing with excellent extension through contact,” the report explains. “ The ball makes ‘that’ sound according to scouts when Nay squares it up,” they say, “and that’s a sound one doesn’t hear frequently, even on top prospects.”

12:49 AM: On Tyler Gonzales (60): The report on Gonzales is from mid-May, and gives us some history on his time as a shortstop prospect. He moved mostly to the mound over the course of 2010 and 2011, and was drafted by the Jays as a pitcher.

“Gonzales’ arm action is lightning quick coming through, which produced an 89-92 mph fastball for Gonzales as a sophomore and junior. His best pitch, though, was a low-80s slider that he threw approximately half the time that was sharp and big at times. Gonzales was able to take that next step this spring, however,” the report explains. “His fastball, which is fairly straight, suddenly started sitting at 92-93 through entire starts and topping out at 95-96 mph. His slider picked up similar power and is now in the 85-87 mph range with the same huge shape and nasty biting action. What before was very solid raw stuff was now nasty raw stuff and Gonzales has been maintaining it from start to start.”

As with Nay, we’re told Gonzales “is considered to have off the chart make-up and a ‘ballplayer’s’ approach to the game that will make him fit in comfortably at the professional level.” This is another area that the Jays seem to value highly, we’re told. Gonzales is the nephew of Nationals crosschecker Jimmy Gonzales.

1:05 AM: Before finally calling it a night, let’s review one last thing: what Jays-related nuggets Jason Churchill, Kiley McDaniel and Keith Law were saying in their pick-by-pick analysis of both the first round and the supplemental round (Insider Only)…

- On DJ Davis, Jason Churchill notes the tools, the question marks about his ability to get on base, and ultimately says that “the Blue Jays may be setting themselves up to spend well over slot on a few later picks,” a suggestion we would later see play out.

- Churchill calls Marcus Stroman’s raw stuff “top-pick worthy,” and echoes a comment I just made (even though he probably said it first, even though I didn’t see it– also: kinda obvious), saying that “the Jays could attempt to teach Stroman a two-seamer to create more sink on his heater and use him as a starter.” I’m not saying it will work, but bank on them trying.

- Churchill also gets the call for the blurb on Smoral, who he reiterates “has big upside thanks to a mid-90s fastball and plus slider from a low arm slot,” while pointing out that there are most definitely signability issues here, after he fell, due to injury and his commitment to college. On Nay we’re told much of what we already know– the power, the hitting question, the make-up and the future away from third base– and on Gonzales we’re told that “there isn’t a lot of projection in his 6-foot-2, 180-pound frame, but certainly enough to deliver a big league starter who fits in the middle of the rotation, perhaps even better.”

 

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Comments (213)

  1. wow

  2. My jaw dropped. I’m not going to lie. Nice shake up. Congrats, Astros!

  3. Seattle and Baltimore have to be disappointed at that.

  4. How far will Appel fall?

  5. Good to know that Buxton reminds Harold Reynolds a lot of pretty much every black outfielder ever.

  6. Anyone guessing on who the Jays get? Not that I know any of the names.

  7. If the jays get a top ten talent then get it doubt appell falls past 5

  8. If Appel/Giolito falls to the jays…. Holy shit were lucky

  9. Cubs gotta go Appel

  10. Be intetesting to see Boras wiggle out of this one with Appel, so much for top money. Just doesnt have leverage of years past imo. Doesnt sound like such a talent that a team lower down will blow their budget on him.

    • This is hilarious. It would be great if this became a Beede like situation where the signing demand is so high he goes to school instead, and then his stock falls to a point where he’ll never get offered the type of money he could have made ever again.

  11. If not for the fucking nationals appel would be a blue jay

  12. I think you were looking for Theory of a Nickelfault, Stoeten. Gotta give shitty credit to all three shitty bands.

  13. Are the people clapping in the background actors?

  14. chick in blue is hot as fuck

  15. Which of Zimmer and Amora don’t you like, Stoeten?

  16. Dahl at 22 please

  17. Jim Callis ‏@jimcallisBA
    #Pirates grab Dahl at 8. Very athletic OF. In down year for #mlbdraft position players, we’re seeing up-the-middle guys go quick.

    LMFAO

  18. BoOoOoOo!

  19. Max Fried selects jersey number 420.

  20. Okay. Thought I ask this one last time since I didn’t actually get an answer:

    What is the penalty re: the 75% (or 100%)? Is that tax for the entire amount spent or just what is over slot?

  21. That back flip just made it the best mlb draft of all time

  22. “Still… making it to pick 60 is going to kill me, if only because, if I keep sitting here watching this until pick 60, I’m pretty sure my girlfriend is going to kill me.”

    DITTO!

  23. Nick Travieso is my new hero. Dude is awesome.

  24. I’d have a boner about the Jays picking Giolito if I actually thought they’d pony up the money to sign it. Have to bet on a safe pick here.

    • On what basis can you criticize the Jays (under AA) for not spending on the DRAFT!?!

      If you’re gonna bitch at Rogers, pick another avenaue (such as free agency) to bitch at them…

      • Name the only team not to sign its 2011 first-rounder. Look it up if you need to. We’ll wait.

        • Wow that’s an excellent argument!

        • You’re so stupid, they’ve spent the 4rd most money on the draft in the past 2 years, the only ones that spent more were the Nats, Pirates and Royals, and they all had Top 10 picks.

  25. Just make it throught the Jays 2nd pick and then leave.

  26. Just hope Washington doesn’t grab Giolito…

  27. It feels as though if the Jays don’t pick Gio, it will be a dissapoinment…but really, I have less than no idea on any of these players. I just don’t want to hear/read all of the pissy moods if the Jays don’t pick him…

  28. Those 4 guys for King Felix and Ichiro

  29. In order to make Stoeten happy.

    NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

  30. FFS

  31. Wow that’s a kick in the Nats.

  32. Damn it’s like Brett Lawrie all over again…who is our new David Cooper!?!

  33. Oh well, it takes the pressure off of the Jays to have to pick him and to sign him.

  34. Fuck the Expos!

  35. You can’t teach 99. You can’t teach 100.

  36. McCullers here? Too rich for the Jays’ blood?

    • You could quite possibly be the dumbest least informed commenter in quite awhile.

      • This from the dumbass who doesn’t understand what not being committed to a college does to a guy’s negotiating leverage. If you’re calling me dumb, I must be doing something right.

  37. Brett Lawrie was picked one spot ahead of the Blue Jays’ 1st rounder in 2008. Terrible how things didn’t work out for them.

  38. Robert from Scarborough is gonna be PISSED

  39. I guess this means the Jays are trading Gose for Felix, right? RIGHT!?

    • I probably should have thrown a couple 1′s in there for those who have a faulty sarcasm detector today.

  40. meh.I’m okay with it.

  41. Safe pick. No college prospects for this guy.

  42. To make Stoeten happy.

    This was the best pick of all time.

  43. AJ BJ AND NOW DJ, FOR FUCK’S SAKE CAN WE STOP THIS INSANITY!!!!

  44. looking forward to playing in your organization, you can now trade gose for felix

  45. Surprised to not see a pitcher taken first like usual. Second pick must be a lock for a pitcher the way Jays love drafting them.

  46. Please Lord, let him be better than Juan Pierre.

    • .283 OBP and .695 OPS in the Sally League. We can only hope young DJ tears it up like his dad.

  47. 10 minutes away from the Jays next pitcher er… pick.

  48. Davis has been described as a patient hitter who will take a walk, with power and incredible speed. Has been compared to Buxton, Projected as a Ben Revere/Brett Gardner type of player, with ability to move up on that projection if his power can be realized. Only negative about him I found was an average throwing arm.

  49. Davis as a Juan Pierre type? The boys were quick to shoot that comparison down.

  50. hey guys don’t forget about me over here

  51. Could the team go position heavy this year out of high school? Could be a much more intriguing draft beyond Giolito…

    • I hope thats the strategy, as much as I like the “take the best player” approach and all that, but it seems we have a lot of arms right now, the positional depth is kind of lacking I think right now.

  52. Does AA have an obsession with players whose first and Last names start with the same letter? Edwin Encarnacion, Frank Fransisco, Sergio Santos, Mike McCoy, Ricky Romero, Mike McDade, Justin Jackson, DJ Davis… Etc

  53. Think Davis was the safe pick, going with Mccullers at 22, hopefully gets over his signing issues

    • Ok… but 22 is compensation for Beede and they lose the pick if he goes unsigned.

      • I think that rule was changed with the latest CBA, and you now can fuck up two years in a row. Still think it’ll be a safe pick, but not for that reason.

        • You’re right – but I’m pretty sure that only kicks in with these picks. The 22nd pick is unprotected.

  54. Fucking reply button is all fucked. I am constantly posting on the comment below mu intended post. Fuck it.

    • Seriousl. I hit the reply button above, on level and below and it still posts my replies one comment down. Makes me look fucking stupid.

      • You’re so full of rage Tony!

        • The sad and funny thing is that know that I have checked in on my desktop, all the comments are in the right place. Think I am going to stop using the new mobile site. I was having no problem using the full site on my phone.

  55. Shtrrooooooooooomannnn!!!!

  56. i.e. Marcus Stroman

  57. I shall call him ~ Black Swan

  58. So we have the next Juan Pierre and the next Tom Gordon. Wow, that’ll play.

  59. stroman is 5 9? fuck another jason frasor

  60. Did he just say about Ramsay “He doesn’t have a giant tool that jumps out?” What am I watching?

  61. Jesus Christ isn’t supposed to go until the 3rd round…

  62. Baseball America had Stroman as 10th best player in the draft and DJ Davis as the 20th – pretty good so far for Jays AND they probably saved a little money with Davis and perhaps with Stroman and his drop SO more money to play with in Sandwich round

    • Said yesterday they might go for him. Jays need pen help pronto, outside chance he could be ready for stretch run. Not big on the Davis pick with the Jays so strong in the outfield but I guess if they are going for best possible…

      As for Mike Rizzo, here’s one more big FUCK U from me.

      • Plus he’s presumably a guaranteed sign guy and the Jays pretty much had to do that with the Beede pick.

        And, yeah, more money to spend in the supplemental round I guess.

  63. lots of talk that Stroman is MLB-ready as well, could pitch with the Blue Jays this year…

  64. incidentally, when is the last time this has happened??? i.e. a draft pick is called up to the majors the same year after having been drafted.

    I’m so used to the Jays taking high-upside HS players, this idea is almost completely unheard of…

    • chris sale. you know the guy that alex took deck mcguire over

      funny how alex talks about learning from his mistakes. I think he’s referring to this pick

      • Well said grouchy

        I think he regrets the Mcguire pick and with what he said this morning the fact that Stroman was still available he was not going to make the same mistake twice.

    • Chris Sale came up in 2010 for the White Sox on Aug 9th (two months after draft)

    • Oakland did it with Houston Street I think as well.

    • I think Chris Sale, no? Might be wrong

    • One of the Nationals relievers did it too – whichever one was drafted in the same year as Strasburg. Forget which one… Storen or Clippard I think, can’t be bothered to look it up right now.

  65. People at minorleagueball.com seem to like both picks for the Jays, especially Stroman where words like “steal” and “larceny” were thrown around.

  66. With 17 and 22 the Jays got #10 and #20 from the BA list. I would have to say the Jays would be satisfied with that haul.

    I am not overwhelmed but the team still has picks coming.

    • What would’ve gotten you overwhelmed? And don’t say Giolito…That’s nothing the Jays can do about it.

  67. I look you two. We make money. Maybe.

    Who the fuck is on aol?

    • Can someone please translate what TonyRage just said?

      • There was a spam post that was subsequently removed that was written with poorly formed English. I was mocking it, but I guess the moderator got it, and now I look dumb.

  68. can somebody please explain to me what “upside” means? Obviously it has a different meaning than the usual…

    • Hi Karen.
      It’s like eggs, you can have them over easy or “upside” with a side of home fries.
      Never order your eggs “downside” with a side of away fries.
      Hope thsi helps.

    • Gose = upside
      Russ Adams = polished

    • It means that the player is not playing to the potential that his talent/athleticism should allow him to. For a hitter, say he has mechanical issues, or isn’t quite as patient as he could be.

      A player without upside would be one that is already patient at the plate and has textbook mechanics. He his likely to be playing as well as he can already, so if he isn’t breaking records now, he never will.

  69. DJ Davis, good pick….the kid is a solid worker, with great upside, the cielieng is high on him, whatever it is, he has it!

  70. Gretzky just called Lawrie something to the effect of “an inspiration” during his intermission interview on CBC. #CanadianBallWashing

  71. George Bell’s Karate Kick says: 06.04.12 @ 11:57 AM EDT
    Reply He genius Birdawg…did you happen to listen to The Jays Talk? What did Farrell say? Oh yeah..HE SAID THEY DID XRAYS WHICH WERE INCONCLUSIVE SO HE HAD TO GO FOR A CT SCAN..HMMMMMM SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE YOU ARE AN IDIOT WHO THINKS HE KNOWS EVERYTHING WHEN DR. BELL WAS CORRECT ALL ALONG

  72. Just so we are clear,…I’m not the one who said it was confirmed the bone wasn’t broken, that was you. Doc you’ve been under a lot of pressure with all these injuries. Have a drink, its on me.

  73. There were about 6 people who were diagnosing that “injury” via their computer screens on the board. who cares who said what asinine thing?

    • Your are right, I was being petty. Please forgive me and accept my appologies (birddawg runs out on the tab)

      • Damn! stuck with another round of virtual drinks… ah well, guess I’m getting hammered until they have to pour me into an ambulance (they never charge the guy with severe alcohol poisoning)

      • Birddawg unaware as he’s running out, that he dropped his wallet.
        RADAR has retreived said wallet and is getting a round for the house,courtesy of birddawg.
        Sorry he couldn’t be here to enjoy it with us.

        Like the old man said “you gonna piss around or buy a round”

  74. 20 more picks until the Jays again. This is going to be a painful wait.

  75. So if you knew that this year’s draft was bad, and next year’s draft would be good, wouldn’t it make sense to lowball all of your picks and carry them over to the following year?

    Granted from what I hear next year’s draft class will be fairly bad as well, so this wasn’t the case this year.

  76. Does it speed up between the supplemental picks?

  77. Fuck me these guys are gonna talk the extra four minutes.

  78. Jays- three pitchers on the way or will it shift back to position players? I’m intrigued. I’m still in shock about them taking a 5’9″ pitcher! Maybe this was a Tinnish pick not an Anthoupolous one- could be an interesting discussion between the two later.

    #chairthrowinginthedraftwarroom

    • Scouts and GM’s shy away from shorter pitchers not because ability but beacause of durabilty.They must overcome their lack of natural leverage to produce the torque neccessary. I’ve seen plenty of excellent shorter pitchers, it’s a crying shame they’re not given a chance due to perceptions.

  79. Eflin is gone.

    #sadpanda

  80. Mookie – what a fan favorite that guy was!

  81. Crap. I wanted Hanniger for the Jays. Saw him a couple times at Cal Poly. Good kid.

  82. McCullers finally goes at 40… shit

  83. Luke Bard…. wonder If he’s good enough to walk 6 and hit 2 in 1.2 innings… I mean that takes talent

    • That was indeed quite the shitshow. And Bard seems to have a regular meltdown thing happening against the Blue Jays. Which is a good thing, since as you probably noticed they didn’t score a single run more after he was pulled.

  84. some scary stats on Henderson Alvarez, who has looked brutal… http://tinyurl.com/7c848of

  85. What’s left for the Jays to pick up? I hope there is something out of high school.

  86. Smorel- that’s more like the Jays.

  87. 10, 20, 24 on the BA list. Draft is looking up.

  88. Okay, so…. who’s Smorel?

  89. just picked a 6’8 lefthanded elf

  90. Interesting pick, sounds like it would be a steal in that spot if they could sign him. Maybe money they save from their first two picks.

  91. I like the 6 foot 8, 220, left handed part.Johnson like?
    Don’t like hearing about signability issues though.

  92. Will the Jays draft shift back to pitching again? I was kind of hoping for more position player talent infusion.

  93. Who knows where signability will go with all of the new draft rules.

    • They mentioned Smorel was committed to college and was injured this year so maybe he goes to college and reenters the draft two years from now.

  94. smorel being compared to Madison Baumgarner. Parkesbait.

  95. That one was for all you doubters and NAY sayers
    HEYO

  96. Mitch Nay- who’s dat?

  97. He’s not even on BA’s 100!

  98. Draft just went mixed pitching and hitting.

  99. Gonzales was #45 on BA 100

    So that’s 10, 20, 24, and 45 on BA’s 100 + Nay.

    I guess you can’t really complain about that- 3 in the top 25.

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