Now it’s time for all the stuff I don’t figure on making full posts out of, with the spiffy graphic by Matt English (aka @mattomic). It’s your Afternoon Snack… er… Afternoon Hangover… er… links!!!

Apparently the All-Star Game was last night. Did anything happen? Who won?

Oh! Actually, it looks like Parkes has an I Watched This On Purpose post that covers the game, which says, contrary to his attempts at finger wagging earlier in the week, “in its current format, isn’t suitable for any living thing.”

Elsewhere at Getting Blanked, it’s Jose Bautista in ESPN The Magazine’s Body Issue, because… that’s not creepy at all, is it?

All sorts of Jays stuff from Baseball America lately, as Jim Callis ranks their ten best pitching prospects in an Ask BA column, Nathan Rode writes about the wealth of pitching at Bluefield in the Appalachian League (including Dan Norris), and Clint Longenecker looks at the hitting there as well, which isn’t bad in its own right. Meanwhile, Ben Badler reports that the Jays will be taxed, after exceeding their pool for spending on international free agents, going slightly over the $2.9-million limit in their nabbing of three of the top 20 available talents, including highest rated Franklin Barreto.

John Lott of the National Post talks to the staff in Las Vegas about their fine tuning of prospect Adeiny Hechavarria. “I’ve seen a guy that at one point, everybody thought, ‘Well, we can just hit him late in the order and he’ll be OK,’ to a guy that possibly could be a top-of-the-order-type hitter,” says 51s manager Marty Brown.

“All the deals we had in the off-season would have required a big-league guy being added – a core piece. It was never a pure prospect deal,” says Alex Anthopoulos in Jeff Blair’s latest, trade-focused piece for the Globe and Mail. “This roster isn’t built to tear down; it’s built to add players. That might not have been the case in, say, 2010 or 2011. But it is, now,” he adds.

Via the Globe, Monte Stroman of the Canadian Press talks to Marcus Stroman as he begins his journey towards the Majors tonight with his pro debut for Vancouver.

Also via the Globe, the AP writes about the clusterfuck that is interleague scheduling, and how it’s going to change next year, with reduced rivalry games, but– moronically– still no true balance to the schedule.

FanGraphs is reviewing, in batches, how the season has gone so far for their pre-season top prospects. Five Jays are covered in the numbers 75-51 part of the list, and three of them are tagged as having their value up– Jake Marisnick, Noah Syndergaard, Justin Nicolino, and Dan Norris. Only Drew Hutchison, thanks to injury, is static in terms of value. Especially since Marc Hulet writes that he has “a concern that the young pitcher is just delaying the inevitable Tommy John surgery.”

Bluebird Banter is doing a similar review of the pre-season prospect rankings they pulled out of their asses.

And elsewhere back at FanGraphs, JP Breen examines the Jays’ quality over quantity draft strategy.

Shi Davidi of Sportsnet looks at the Jays’– perhaps the city’s– beacon of hope: Jose Bautista. He also talks Anthony Gose, with both Tony LaCava and the player himself. Like Adeiny Hechavarria, he’s a guy the Jays want everyone to know *wink* *wink* is going to be a top-of-the-order type bat.

John Sickels of Minor League Ball also talks to Gose, who doesn’t really buy the whole PCL is a joke league thing. “You still have to hit it hard,” he says. “It’s not like a 5-foot-1 guy is going to hit 30 home runs.”

Back at the Post, John Lott also talks about the growing pains experienced by two of the Jays more experienced young prospects, Chad Jenkins and Deck McGuire. He also looks at the season as a whole, which has been an exercise in taking two steps forward, one step back.

Bob Elliott of the Toronto Sun notices that excellent Cardinals prospect Oscar Tavares, thanks to having lived in Montreal from the ages of 12 to 16, has a Canadian passport, and sounds willing to suit up in red and white– presumably due to their being a whole lot less WBC squad competition for us than his native Dominican Republic.

Slideshow time at notorious shithouse Bleacher Report the Toronto Star, as Richard Griffin hands out his mid-season grades for Jays players.

At Miked Up, Wilner says that it’s time for action before the 2012 season is entirely lost.

Mop Up Duty goes deep into the scrap heap to consider some arms the Jays might target as well.

Jays Journal looks at potential trade targets for the Jays– some fanciful, some stone cold sober.

Elsewhere at Jays Journal they talk John Stilson, and the perhaps-undervalued Brad Glenn. They also announce that they’re looking for writers… so go bother them for a change. (Note: I kid! I appreciate everyone who emails me in the hope of being a part of this little corner of the internet. We’re not looking, however.)

Can you tell yet I haven’t done a link dump for a few days?

Buster Olney of ESPN.com (Insider Olney) ranks the second half schedules for American League “contenders”– and he includes the Jays, whose schedule is the seventh-easiest, but still tops in the AL East (unless you count Baltimore, which we’re still totally not doing). “The Jays may hit the crossroads of their season starting on July 30, when they open a 10-game road trip — and then return home for a series with the Yankees,” he writes.

Bluebird Banter points out that, according to Vegas, the Jays have 35/1 odds of winning the World Series. So you’re saying there’s a chance!

Some weird stuff is showing up in my RSS feed for Keith Law. It’s old. And weird.

Lastly, it’s a Getting Blanked GIFs of the Week clips show: the super-spectacular best GIFs of the first half!

Comments (134)

  1. I’ve noticed that its becoming the time of the year for writers to pump up Jays prospects in preparation for trade negotiations, we saw this last year with Molina and Hutch. Now we are seeing it with Gose, Hech, the Lugnut pitchers. Not that I’m complaining… but it seems like there is a bit of a push on right now to pimp up the Jays prospects.

  2. The Jays will be taxed for spending too much on some of the top talent available? But but but they’re cheap fucks!

    Yes, $2.9 million plus isn’t a whole lot of money for a company like this, but to spend that much on assets that may quite possibly amount to absolutely nothing does mean something.

    Now AA just needs to make some moves to make us believe he’s still paying attention to the Toronto situation.

    • Cutting an already below average payroll to spend the money in the draft and international markets doesn’t mean that Rogers is all of a sudden spending – it means they have a GM who is doing a better job of allocating the resources he’s been given. Everytime somebody tries to mock the people who are willing to point out that Rogers’ expenditures on the baseball club are well below MLB average by pointing to draft/IFA spending they are doing it wrong.

      The Blue Jays payroll stands at 75m. It was the same figure in 2001. Factoring in inflation, that’s around 97.5m. The MLB average in 2012, coincidentally, is around that same 98m figure. If AA was being given even an MLB-average payroll to work with he’d be an even greater force to be reckoned with.

      • Why the assumption that he hasn’t been given a greater payroll when we’ve heard time and again from AA and Beeston that money is available if AA needs it. AA has gone so far as to say he’s turned down money from Beeston. I know it’s hard to comprehend but AA has chosen not to spend. It has nothing to do with Rogers and there is absolutely no evidence that Rogers has placed any limitations on the team.

        • and by given a greater payroll, I mean greater budget.

        • And if Rogers WAS limiting what Beeston/AA could do, what do you expect them to say?

          “We’d love to bring more big league talent to the team but our owners have put an 80m cap on our budget so this is what we can do with what we’ve been given.”

          There’s obviously no way Beeston is going to say that. I mean, the guy said at the State of the Franchise this winter that he expects the team to make the playoffs in 3 of the next 5 years. He’s a master at playing the public perception game.

          The evidence that Rogers puts limitations on the team can be seen by comparing their payroll to the MLB average since they bought the team.

          • And in fact they HAVE said things quite similar to that; e.g. the “payroll parameters” talk last winter, and the “fans have to show up before we’ll spend” remarks.

            It’s all there; you just have to open your eyes and see it. But I can understand why some folks would prefer to believe that Rogers being willing to pay maybe $50K (the cost of picking up a Rule 5 guy or a waiver claim) in penalties for over-spending on international FAs is evidence that the doors to the vault are wide open. In fact, if a few bloggers and maybe even a few MSM guys take the bait and write articles to that effect, $50K is a small price to pay for the goodwill.

        • They have said that yet when McCowan asked AA about getting Darvish or any big free agent , he said he would have to guarantee playoff success for the team, which he was reluctant to do.

          I think the payroll parameters imposed on AA are quite strict.

          AA must realize that JP Riccardi lost his job because his free agent signings did not work out, so he doesn’t want to make the same mistake.

          It’s easier to explain to Rogers when prospects don’t turn out.

      • Very good point. You have to look at overall spending by the organization at all levels on talent.

        More importantly, you have to see how effective the organization is at developing talent.

        Within 5 years we should know if any of AA’s picks can contribute to team at a cheaper cost than the cost of existing MLB talent.

        • How many dead horses can I beat? One would assume by this point that this is all common knowledge…

          AA has already suggested that he misspoke when he used the phrase “payroll parameters”. And once again, he’s also repeated the fact that he’s never been turned down for money, and he’s had Beeston offer him money for players which he has rejected.

          He understands that if you’re going to offer massive contracts, it has to be for a) the right player and b) at a time when it makes sense. He clearly hasn’t felt that the time is right or that any of the players available have made sense to grossly overpay for, and rightfully so given who has been available. It’s not MLB 12 where bad contracts can be dealt with ease. He’s already performed one miracle finding a suitor for Wells’ contract, do you think he can capture lightning a second time when a player (who he obviously doesn’t believe in) starts to under-perform his contract mid-way through?

          AA has also already mentioned that he doesn’t believe in free agency as a way of building his club apart from using it to game a system that allowed him to establish the best minor league system in baseball. For a guy whose forte is clearly making trades, can you blame him for wanting to build his team through that method? He understands value and he understands that the second you go after a free agent and over-spend, he’s worthless to other teams and provides absolutely no roster flexibility. It’s not a smart business or baseball move, and it’s considering the number of contracts that don’t work out you’d think more people would understand this?

          Fortunately for us as Blue Jays fans, AA does understand this. He’s not going to open the clubs wallets for players he doesn’t believe in nor at times when it doesn’t make any sense. He has a clear plan, one that he’s executed really well so far in such a short time, and I find it incredible that anyone would look at that well-executed plan and think “nah, he’s only executing this plan amazingly because Rogers is being cheap.” He’s clearly targeting young, high-ceiling, controllable talent, something that Ricciardi never really did. And that’s the lesson he learned from those years. Not some asinine idea that he would get fired once Fielder became a mass of blubber incapable of trotting without breaking a sweat. If anything, AA’s strategy is fair more difficult to execute and worthy of critique if, you know, he wasn’t so good at executing it.

          I also have little doubt that Beeston believes the team can make the playoffs 3 of the next 5 years. I don’t think he ever guaranteed it, he simply suggested that it’s his belief, and if anything, this suggests that Rogers is willing to make the financial commitment to make that happen, otherwise why be so optimistic? He was around in the 80s and saw the talent that was developed to get the team in to the playoffs, and I’m sure this reminds him of that era quite a bit. Furthermore, I can tell you with a lot of certainty that people in the Jays organization are excited about this team and its future.

          • “AA has already suggested that he misspoke when he used the phrase “payroll parameters”. And once again, he’s also repeated the fact that he’s never been turned down for money, and he’s had Beeston offer him money for players which he has rejected.”

            The fact remains that Rogers did not allow AA to upgrade the rotation in the offseason.

            Not even AA could justify McGowan,Drabek & Cecil as 3 parts of the rotation.

            AS for the money issue, it doesn’t make sense for AA to turn down a reasonable amount of money to upgrade the team.

            “He understands that if you’re going to offer massive contracts, it has to be for a) the right player and b) at a time when it makes sense. He clearly hasn’t felt that the time is right or that any of the players available have made sense to grossly overpay for, and rightfully so given who has been available. It’s not MLB 12 where bad contracts can be dealt with ease. He’s already performed one miracle finding a suitor for Wells’ contract, do you think he can capture lightning a second time when a player (who he obviously doesn’t believe in) starts to under-perform his contract mid-way through?”

            As I mentioned before. AA said that if he signed a Prince Fielder contract, AA would have to guarantee playoffs which he could not do.

            “AA has also already mentioned that he doesn’t believe in free agency as a way of building his club apart from using it to game a system that allowed him to establish the best minor league system in baseball. For a guy whose forte is clearly making trades, can you blame him for wanting to build his team through that method? He understands value and he understands that the second you go after a free agent and over-spend, he’s worthless to other teams and provides absolutely no roster flexibility. It’s not a smart business or baseball move, and it’s considering the number of contracts that don’t work out you’d think more people would understand this?”

            Obviously, in a perfect world, you could build a team through the farm system & timely trades. The farm system is not perfect & trades are getting harder to do. Some teams may be reluctant to trade with AA.

            “Fortunately for us as Blue Jays fans, AA does understand this. He’s not going to open the clubs wallets for players he doesn’t believe in nor at times when it doesn’t make any sense. He has a clear plan, one that he’s executed really well so far in such a short time, and I find it incredible that anyone would look at that well-executed plan and think “nah, he’s only executing this plan amazingly because Rogers is being cheap.” He’s clearly targeting young, high-ceiling, controllable talent, something that Ricciardi never really did. And that’s the lesson he learned from those years. Not some asinine idea that he would get fired once Fielder became a mass of blubber incapable of trotting without breaking a sweat. If anything, AA’s strategy is fair more difficult to execute and worthy of critique if, you know, he wasn’t so good at executing it.”

            For all the excitement over AA, how could he allow to have a starting rotation that was so fragile . Fielder won’t turn into blubber for several years. In the first 5 years of his contract he could help the team getting into the playoffs. He’s a much better player than Lind.

            I also have little doubt that Beeston believes the team can make the playoffs 3 of the next 5 years. I don’t think he ever guaranteed it, he simply suggested that it’s his belief, and if anything, this suggests that Rogers is willing to make the financial commitment to make that happen, otherwise why be so optimistic? He was around in the 80s and saw the talent that was developed to get the team in to the playoffs, and I’m sure this reminds him of that era quite a bit. Furthermore, I can tell you with a lot of certainty that people in the Jays organization are excited about this team and its future.

      • Toronto’s payroll right now is at $75 million.

        J.P. Ricciardi pulled off a payroll of $97 million.

        After Ricciardi gave up on his ridiculous “make the playoffs on $50 million” plan, he averaged a $83 million payroll.

        With this in mind, a person could safely assume the Jays have at least $8 million to spend, and probably a lot more if you factor in inflationary increases and the increased revenue the Jays are receiving from Sportsnet–the Jays revenue increased $20 million last year.

        For these reasons I have a hard time believing those people who think for some reason that we are at our payroll cap. At this stage in the organizational rebuild, it should not come as a surprise that Anthopoulous viewed a first round pick as more important than signing Prince Fielder to a massive contract.

      • Where are you getting those numbers? Because simply put, they are wrong and you are lying. Their payroll was 70.5M in 2011 and is 83.75M so far this year. In terms of signed players, they have about 10M of raises on the books for next year. They will be losing some payroll to free agents, but those players will need to be replaced, so at this point it is looking like payroll is set to increase, again next year.

        Basically, you are pissing and moaning because the Jays are looking like they are incrementally increasing payroll and expenditures on the team, rather than making a huge clusterfuck of an increase that is bound to sink the team in the long run.

        • Toronto Blue Jays current 2012 Payroll:

          ESPN: $75,009,200
          FoxSports: $77,389,200
          USA Today: $75,489,200
          CBS Sports: $75,489,200
          Steve the Ump: $75,489,200
          Sports Illustrated: $77,389,200

          As for the revenue increase, see Forbes, The Business of Baseball, which reports the Blue Jays pulled a $25 million profit last year, which would seemingly indicate the Jays are allowed to spend more money.

          Oh, but clearly I must be lying through my teeth just to make a point.

          Also, apparently you missed the entire point of my post, and claim I am “pissing and moaning” about the Jays making incremental increases instead of one giant raise, when my entire post was devoted to combat the false perception AA does not and will never have money to spend.

          AA has money to spend. He has merely saving it up for when we’re ready to contend. Until now, we have not been ready to contend, so I have no problem with him saving it.

    • I don’t understand the sarcasm. For a baseball team 2.9 million really kindof is chump change. It’ll basically pay for 3 weeks of Alex Rodriguez…

  3. That was kind of a dumb way of Buster Olney to classify games as tough vs. easy games. Games against Boston, Tampa and Cleveland are considered tough because they were barely over .500 at the date of publication, whereas games against Toronto, Detroit and Oakland fall under “easy” because they were .500 on the dot when he published the article.

    • I don’t see how the Jays have an ‘easy’ schedule going forward. For the rest of July the Jays face the Tribe, Yankees, Red Sox, A’s, Tigers and Mariners. In August they play the Mariners (1 game), A’s, Rays, Yankees, White Sox, Rangers, Tigers, Orioles, and the Yankees and Rays again to finish out the month. The Jays’ September schedule is almost almost exclusively AL East opponents, the exception being three home games against the Mariners, and they finish the season out with three games against the Twins in early October. Where’s the easy?

  4. 2 years ago you solicting help for game threats, without success. Now you got people asking for a position. Quite a difference.

    • For fuck sakes. Thinking on your own apparently continues to be a problem, my friend. We got a lot of response two years ago, we just never did anything about it/never felt comfortable handing the keys to the car to anyone else.

      • Better to park the car than loan it out and wreck it.

      • Jesus you can be a fucking idiot sometimes.Stop being so defensive.
        My comment was to suggest that the blog is much more popular and you are getting more people that want to be involved than before.People know a good thing when they see it.
        That’s a good thing.A positive.
        It’s a testament to all that is good.
        Why do you have to take every fucking comment and turn it into a negative?
        Wake the fuck up.

        • Wake the fuck up??? Holy fuck, man. Yes, half of your comment was a good thing. Problem is, the other half didn’t just *imply* that nobody cared two years ago, it straight up said so, as though it was factual, as though you could somehow possibly have a fucking clue.

          I don’t want your “praise” if it’s in combination with shit-talk that you’ve completely pulled out of your ass while posturing like you know stuff about this site that you unequivocally do not and could not.

          You do this way too much.

        • Stoeten Gone Postal

          • Yeah, I seem to have that effect on him sometimes.
            I’m not speculating, it’s all on record,but just observing what was said in the post and the comment section, at that time.
            I will continue to agree and disagree with Stoeten.I will read and learn from other commenters.
            How the fuck my comment, on more people wanting to contribute to the site than before, got turned into a negative, I dunno.I guess you could see it that way, but it wasn’t meant to be.
            To go from asking for contributions to getting unsolicted requests to join DJF is a step forward.
            Or am I wrong?

          • agreed, less meth more weed.

          • You may onto something here. I watched a meth head on Breaking Bad and he had the same personality issues.

        • Stoeten’s new caricature these past few months is akin to a heel turn in the WWE

          The hipster-ishniss is about as entertaining as Shane McMahon and the Mean Street Posse was back in the day

          And like in WWE I’ll probably get BANNED FOR LIFE for the observation

    • two old hags just bitchin it out. someone should do a study on social behaviour with baseball blogs. how many menstrual cramps and at what time of day. fuckin snively bitches. do you sit down to piss too?

    • You should write for Banter Radar. It will give you another hobby other than having Stoeten get mad at you lol

  5. Do you guys know any theater in Toronto that shows Bobby Valentine’s movie?

  6. I realize that the all-star game is meaningless in terms of who wins/loses but it’s still worth watching. Seeing a line-up of legitimate studs play the game we all love is worth the price of admission/cable TV. Hate on the advertising, hate on the media bullshit, but please… don’t hate on the game itself. I could watch the best players in the world go at each other any day. It’s not like the NBA, NFL, or NHL where there is a serious lack of effort. In the MLB All-Star game everyone in the box is trying to hit the ball hard and everyone on the mound is trying to strike him out. Truth…. Fools…

    • The MLB all-star game is at least somewhat watchable because the product on the field actually resembles a proper game of professional baseball. The no-defense exhibitions in other sports are complete unwatchable mockeries.

      • With the exception of Ian Kinsler’s play on Chipper’s groundball of course…

        • Or whatever verlander was doing, or that weakass attempt at scooping that throw in the dirt by fielder in the first. The best part of the game was the melky Cabrera interview clearly

  7. Note: The link to Badler’s article points to Longenecker’s…

  8. With the very thin trade market for pitching (at least in terms of long-term guys), missing out on Mat Latos in the offseason stings. There were rumours that the Jays were in on him but the Padres simply liked Cincy’s offer more. Even with his relative struggles to start the year, that would’ve been a nice piece to have in the rotation going forward. Tough break on that.

  9. Nothing on Perez yet?

  10. If you’re interested in boner fodder, the Kevin Goldstein interview on Baseball Central today was pretty great. Goldstein gave insight on the Jays system.

  11. That article on Maddux was…. bizarre. and strangely interesting.

  12. So the Jays haven’t traded for Upton yet?

  13. “All the deals we had in the off-season would have required a big-league guy being added – a core piece. It was never a pure prospect deal,” says Alex Anthopoulos in Jeff Blair’s latest, trade-focused piece for the Globe and Mail. “This roster isn’t built to tear down; it’s built to add players. That might not have been the case in, say, 2010 or 2011. But it is, now,” he adds.

    so AA is doing some PRing eh…some shifting the dialogue, changing the perception. I don’t like it. shut yer yap and do what you do best. get some help for the team and go for the 2nd wildcard. nuff talk.

    • What is the shift?

      • Shifting from “we’re gonna stand pat unless we’re blown away” to “we’re actively trying to shake things up but haven’t seen a reasonable deal yet.” Seems like a pretty big shift to me.

        • Tocher seemed to be implying in a shift of how AA described the off-season. Not a shift in strategy between the off-season and now.

          I think what Tocher is implying is that AA was saying one thing during the off-season but is now saying something different in hindsight to explain his actions… I was asking for some evidence.

        • I’m not sure on what basis you’re concluding that he’s saying that he’s actively trying to shake things up?

          All I see is Alex stating that they now intend to be on the other side of the Roy Halladay for 3 prospects, Shaun Marcum for a top prospect type trades. Not exactly a shocking revelation.

          • Pretty shocking to me given that we’ve spent most of AA’s tenure using the major league system as a repository for ‘assets’ who are going to either be traded for prospects or leveraged for draft picks. Don’t know what team you’ve been watching – its kind of a big fucking deal if he’s decided to shift his focus primarily to the MLB roster.

          • You’re arguing something else now. Your original post stated that AA has shifted from “standing pat” to “actively trying to shake things up.” That has nothing to do what you’re arguing now – that he’s made a sudden shift in focus to the MLB roster.

            As to your latest post…it’s been well-documented, including in that Blair piece, that the Jays were in various degrees in on players like Gio Gonzalez, Michael Pineda, and Mat Latos, all of whom are established major leaguers and couldn’t be acquired without leveraging prospects. From what AA has said in that article, what appears to have killed the Jays involvement in those deals was that the teams were asking for “core” major league players, as well as prospects. Unless you think the Jays interest in these players was fabricated, it seems clear to me that AA was focusing on the MLB roster when he targeted these players.

          • I do think exactly that. I don’t think we were really in on any of those guys. Low-balling the other team and hoping they can’t find anything else is not the same as ‘being in.’ As more information has trickled out on our ‘pursuit’ of Darvish and Beltran I think its clear that for the past few years AA has been very passive in acquiring major league talent. If a bargain like Rasmus comes along, he’ll gladly snap it up. If Oakland would’ve given Gio away for a song, Alex would’ve been there too.
            I’m not saying it was bad policy, it was just different from what he is indicating he’s currently trying to do.
            2009-11: AA focuses on accumulating draft picks, waits for attractive deals to come to him, uses major league roster as leverage for future talent
            2012: “This roster isn’t built to tear down; it’s built to add players”

  14. Surprized that the BJ Trainer didn’t make the AL All-star team.

  15. The link for the Jays going over the $2.9M spending cap leads to the Bluefield Jays Hitters article.

    What is the tax/penalty that the Jays have to pay for spending more than the limit? I haven’t seen that around in my travels.

    • It’s about 60K. The money will be found by looking under the seats of the Rogers Centre for spare change.:)))

  16. Nothing creepy about a naked Jose. And Jose aside, I don’t get why anybody would find artistic photos of athletic bodies “creepy”.

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  18. Great interview with Kevin Goldstein on Baseball Central today http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/2012/07/11/baseball_central_jays_prospects/#.T_3s8CH5gZs.twitter

    The comments on d’Arnaud are pretty boner inducing.

  19. I like Marc Hulet. His prospect scouting is informative and accessible. But he isn’t a doctor or more perceptive than the Jays medical staff or front office.

    Which is relevant because: why exactly is he an authority or Drew Hutchison’s elbow? As I recall from the Hutchinson injury, many reporters at the time asked the Jays brass about the possibility that Hutch would eventually need UCL surgery, was just delaying the inevitable, wouldn’t be 100% upon his return, and so on. Two doctors concluded surgery wasn’t the best option (even though it seemed like the Jays were encouraging that choice — recall Farrell’s “Drew has a choice to make”-type comments). Anthopoulos said Hutchinson was going to return to normal, and that no non-typical tears were found.

    So where does Hulet get the authority — as a prospect evaluator and writer — to suggest that he, Marc Hulet, believes Hutchison’s is just postponing Tommy John ligament surgery? Knowledge of other prospects and historical trends with arm injuries may make it a possibility, but Hulet is engaging in the kind of zero-evidence speculation that has the usual Blue Jays opinion-makers howling. But he gets a pass because….?

  20. I can already see the story: On one coast a father drives his young son to the limit to achieve his pro dreams, at the same time across the continent on the opposite coast, another father does the same, and a decade later they both meet in Toronto.

    “The sport did not come naturally to him. His father, Earl Stroman, a police detective, played football growing up. But the father still helped the son as much as possible, enabling Stroman to rise to prominence.

    “At times, I didn’t like him growing up,” said Stroman. “I thought he might have pushed me too hard. We butted heads most of the time when I was young and got into a bunch of fights, but I realize now that it was all for the better. If that hadn’t happened, who knows where I would be today?”

    http://www.thestar.com/sports/baseball/mlb/article/1224866–journey-to-major-leagues-begins-in-vancouver-for-blue-jays-prospect-marcus-stroman

    http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/06/18/unplugged-brett-lawries-father-on-the-tough-love-he-showed-his-children/

    PS: pity the fool who tries to run from Earl Stroman, just lay down and ask for your lawyer

  21. Had a twitter argument earlier (wow that sounds so fucking cool) with some dude about Joeybats. He thinks it’s fucking ridiculous to talk about trading him. I brought up thought of bringing Upton in to RF and moving JBau for SP, he says he never makes that deal. Thoughts? Imo Upton is 5 years younger than Jose with his upside, possibly greater. 50HR/.300 in the AL a real possiblity for him. I almost shit my pants when he said he’d never do that. No names of SP were mentioned, but assuming you could get top end SP+mid or back rotation back for Bautista I would think.

    • Downside: Pitchers are risky business, and you can look foolish in a hurry trading the soon to be 3 time HR MLB champ for a potential insurance claim. Roy Halliday and company have yet to win and looks right now like they never will. Next, Upton is way overpaid this year, and his salary goes up in each of the next 3 years. Lots of talk about his talent, but he has stepped back big time this year.
      Upside: Jays get a 20 gan winning Cy Young winner, and Upton becomes MLB’s MVP with the Jays. Hopefully we make the playoffs with this newly aquired talent.
      Conclusion: Find another path to baseball utopia

    • Seriously, I dont know how you could say that 50 HR is a real possibility for Upton…and the way you wrote it implies that being in the AL will INCREASE his chance of hitting 50. I doubt that the league change increases his power numbers, although simply age/maturity/development would do that. In fact, you wont find many hitters enviironments that can compare to Chase field.

      As far as trading JBau…Im never averse to trading anyone based on what you can get back. If you could get a number one starter and near major league ready number 2/3 as well as a lower level high end position prospect..then i would do it.

      • Dude I think J-Upton would mash at the dome! Really, you don’t think the move to the more hitter friendly parks in the AL East doesn’t do anything for his power numbers, instead of hitting in SD SF and LA???? I know Chase Field is ranked #3 and Rogers Centre #11for HR park factors, but I dunno. You have Camden, Fenway, Yankee at 5, 7, 8 respectivly vs Dodger, Petco, Safeco at 23, 27, 28 with huge drop offs. Yes I conveniently left out Coors field and the Trop to pad my argument, so what?

    • Riggsy: the team you have built with this trade of yours is called the Detroit Tigers in real life. Lets watch them and see if your right.

      • I don’t think it is bro? The Tigers main problem is their pitching sucks. Scherzer and Fister have been horri-awful.

        • They sure weren’t last year, and I bet if the Jays acquired those two pitchers last offseason you would have been extatic about it. I would have been. But dumping the best hitter in baseball the last 3 years for some pitchers who are supposed to be good is a roll of the dice, look at Lincecum.

          Trading prospects for pitchers, or signing them as free agents in the only way to do it.

        • The comparative is Velannderand and McGriff vs. the 50 HR hitting Upton and the Mythical top end starter. That model sort of exists in Detroit today, but its no sure thing.

    • No player is untouchable, not even Bautista. If you’re hypothetically trading him, it better be for a Steven Strasburg and a top 10 prospect.

      But, I love me some Joey Bats, so I’d rather just see him regress over time in a Jays uniform with a couple rings.

      • My worry, like many of you I’m sure, is Bats prime years wasted. If we aren’t contending until 2014, he had best move on. Not advocating it, just saying it is definitely a worthy topic.

        • It absolutely is. Fans were playing with the idea of trading Halladay for a few years before it actually happened, so it’s not like a discussion, even as crazy as this may be, is still worth talking about.

          And your timetable of 2014 isn’t unreasonable either. Of course a lot of things have to go right still, but if the Jays traded for a bat like Justin Upton, and signed a pitcher like Hamels, with a little bit of health this team could contend with the best of this division. But it’s a lot of pipedreams, much like signing Fielder and Darvish were.

          • “so it’s not like a discussion, even as crazy as this may be, is still out in left field.”

            I really need to start proof-reading.

          • I think the psychology is totally different this time around especially after all we’ve been told and for how long we’ve been told it. Any thoughts of moving Bautista would be crazy at this point in time imo considering there is the extra wild card available.

            For me it’s going to be a two step process. I want to see what he does at the end of the trade deadline and what he does during the winter. If he were to strikeout on both occasions then I would have extreme doubts about seeing further tangible progress next year.

            That said, I don’t think there’s been a time in the last decade where a Toronto GM has had the resources AA’s got or will have access to if you include the depth of the minor league system and payroll. Attendance is up at the gate and up big time on TV and the radio. When you couple that with increase in value of TV viewers by themselves in the last couple years it’s truly a win-win situation.

        • I’m not worried at all about wasting Jose’s prime years. I’m much more worried about them being enjoyed by a different fanbase. How about we don’t trade the guy who might be the best hitter (at least for power) in Jays history…

  22. Watching this AAA all star game….and I gotta say, our Adeiny stands about ten feet off the plate. he also bears a striking resemblance to Taye Diggs

  23. Still a lot to prove, but Asher Wojociewhowhatthefuckski is pitching well of late, 3 of his last 4 outings have been shutouts (over 6 innings, 7 tonight, but still). Since May 16th, 10 ERs over 53 innings with 45 Ks and only 13 BBs for Dunedin. Keep it up Wojo.

    • Aww you beat me with his update tonight. The numbers look even better over his last 9 starts including tonight.

      53.2IP 41H 10ER 14BB 45K 1.02 WHIP 1.68 ERA

      Wouldn’t be surprised if he gets promoted to AA fairly soon since this is a repeat year in A ball for him.

      He’s increased his K/9 with a very slight decrease in his BB/9 overall.

      He just had a couple of very bad starts in May or his numbers would look even better.

      • Also if you’re into FIP, his was a very tidy 2.90 before his start tonight. Bodes well for his future performance.

        • Except that minor league FIP is horribly unreliable. But yeah, Go Wojo. Last season he was a disappointment and miles behind about a dozen prospects. Now he’s almost on par with McGuire, Jenkins, Carreno.

          • lol that goes for most minor league stats in general I suppose. If you haven’t guessed I’m not a big fan of FIP anyways,

  24. and he has done it against Jupiter and Daytona, among the top 4 hitting teams in the FSL (btw, the top FSL in OPS – Dunedin, by a wide margin too).

    • The only think you have to remember about the FSL is that it’s a pitcher’s league. That’s why Marisnek’s mediocre seeming numbers were better than they looked.

  25. Dunedin leads in runs scored, HRs and doubles as well.

  26. Mike McDade was 4 for 4 in the Eastern League All-Star Game tonight not too shabby. Sure there were plenty of eyeballs on that game tonight. Maybe he raised his stock with other teams.

  27. bautista in the papers saying the same thing again. he and AA discussed and was promised the team would move to improve. implication seems that they’d move to contend during his years of productivity.

    good on bautista for speaking up to hold the team to its ‘promise’ to fans and the players.

    make a good trade. get some pitching. get that wildcard.

  28. “Get that wildcard”

    ??

    This is just stupid. Make trades and deplete your resources in order to nominally increase your chances to get into a one game coin flip? This is how organizations are destroyed.

    I have no problem with the making trades aspect, but for God’s sake, only make trades that provide some long term benefit or, if only a short term fix, don’t give up much of value ….just money.

    Bautista is no fool..he knows he is here for more than just this year and would not want a trade to make the team suck next year and the year after occur.

  29. JAYS EXTEND ENCARNACION

    Three years, $27 million. $10 million option for 4th year. Details at MLBTR.

    Seems like a reasonable price to me. Also takes him out of trade discussions.

    • Woot thank god for that. Thank you AA! That was a truly jizz your pants good piece of Blue Jay news. Brb need to change my shorts.

      • Agreed. Good deal, but nothing crippling if he doesn’t keep it up. Also a good sign that the Jays are now committed to building and taking that next step.

    • Great Price

    • I think very reasonable. I was figuring at least 10 million maybe more if he hit the open market. Three years should cover the rest of his prime years.

    • Solid deal, nice to have a DH (occasional 1B) locked up going forward, reasonable, potentially bargain price and a well earned reward for EE.

    • Very good news and with another option for 2016. The price was good . I wonder if Bautista helped get this deal done as well. Elliott said he negotiated Escobar s contract

  30. HOORAY!

    I guess the alex is sending the message that the jays are real players.

    I think the length was a bit high. I was expecting 2 years since he still hasn’t finished the season but I like that alex isn’t afraid to spend.

  31. Great price given what Encarnacion could have got on the open market (maybe).

    He’s been really good since the back half of last year. Great news for Jays fans.

  32. I’m actually quite surprised at the length. What if he turns into a napoli? Alex could have gone after napoli, quentin etc if edwin turned down an offer in the offseason. Big risk for a guy who’s had 3 good months

  33. At least two more years of our top 4 now for our lineup. Throw in improvements from Escobar and a resurgent Lind and that’s a very solid offensive core without considering possible improvements at catcher and left. That’s one side of the equation going in the right direction.

  34. Now move him to 1B full-time and sign David Ortiz in the off-season!!!

  35. suck it haterrrrrrrrs! GingerCampbell is going to be inconsolable.

  36. AA doing his magic again…. I would do a celebration dance but I don’t think my co-workers would appreciate it….
    EE would have gotten 4 years $55 mil on open market or at worst 3 years 40 mil….
    Still have a feeling a big trade splash is coming soon…

    These are fun times to be a Blue Jay fan (just wish the injury bug would leave us alone)

  37. Fits the profile of an AA deal. Some downside risk, but definitely possible to return more value than they’re paying for. Contrast this with a high-end free agent deal, where the level of pay is tipped in the player’s favour, with less upside for the team even when the player excel.

  38. What are the odds that Kelly Johnson is next in line.

    • That would be the most logical next one but my guess is he needs to get healthy again and closer to early season form if he wants a palatable long-term offer. Don’t think he would get a qualifying offer but it’s the first year of the new CBA so who knows how that will play out.

    • I just don’t see Kelly Johnson getting a long-term offer playing like this. His OBP is okay, but everything else has been non-noteworthy.

      Ranked 12th of 23 qualified 2nd basemen in fWAR; 99 wRC+; those are not the marks of a guy you give a long-term extension to.

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