Nelson Cruz running through a sign.

This season still going? Because… um… I’m seeing Kelly Johnson in the post-trade-deadline clean-up spot and I’m starting to think it’s probably Spring Training.

Hmm…

Wait a second– look at that lineup for the Mariners, too! IT IS SPRING TRAINING. IT WAS ALL A DREAAAAAAAAM!!!!!

Scuttlebutt

In a must read at Getting Blanked, our own Dustin Parkes Gose in depth on what’s Gose-ing on with the Jays’ Gose-Gose outfielder who seems a little bit lost: Moises Sier– oh, wait, I mean Anthony Gose.

Shi Davidi tweets that “John Farrell says a thought is to go with 6-man rotation after Monday’s offday, to keep JA Happ stretched out.” And by “stretched out,” I assume he means “not pissing his little pants about not starting, like a child in the throes of a tantrum,” right?

At North of the Border, Gregor Chisholm has a handy transcript of Jose Bautista’s chat with the media today about his injury and the trade deadline– including his defence of teammate Yunel Escobar.

Lastly, for your between-inning viewing pleasure, here’s today’s edition of Getting Blanked…



TV: Sportsnet One

And now the lineups, by way of the live box score at theScore.com. And for those of you who’ll be out and about, be sure to follow all the action on your phone with Score Mobile

Toronto Blue Jays

B. Lawrie 3B
C. Rasmus CF
E. Encarnacion DH
K. Johnson 2B
Y. Escobar SS
D. Cooper 1B
R. Davis LF
J. Mathis C
A. Gose RF

C. Villanueva RHP

Seattle Mariners

D. Ackley 2B
M. Saunders CF
J. Montero DH
J. Jaso C
K. Seager 3B
C. Wells RF
M. Carp 1B
E. Thames LF
B. Ryan SS

B. Beavan RHP

 

Image via Otto Greule Jr./Getty.

Comments (300)

  1. fuck wilner just compared kiroda to morrow. kiroda would have taken drabek’s or hutch’s spot. too complicated for wilner to understand.

  2. on hold. feed me more things to say!

  3. good stuff. gimmie more!

  4. Mark from Woodbridge is a very positive fan.

  5. i am ross.

    • Thames seemed different in that post game interview…not his usual ebullient self.. I truly think he misses those guys in the other dugout

  6. …there are no bad deliveries.

    - Bruce Walton

    I think I know why Jays have hurt wings.

  7. i love all you old time DJF thinking that this place is gone to hell now and that it was so awesome and hip when it was just you. popularity is bringing in the nutjobs. hahaha you remind me of leaf fans who cant take anyone laughing at the team or not being able to live and breathe when your team loses. some of these guys posting on here are absolutely hilarious and the monikers sometimes brilliant. the freedom to do what one wants to is priceless. people just need to lighten up. its only sport. and for all tank nation fans out there, something major happened at the olympics. badminton of all the sports has defended the spirit and integrity of gamemanship. match fixing is disqualification and dont let the door hit yer arse on the way home. get out and fuck off. i am attracted to badminton now. i love their values. stoets should do a story or 2 on ethics in sport and the straightening of our morale compass. might be a paradigm shift coming

  8. Irony: When the spare part farmhand you trade for a “power” arm reliever to help your playoff push hits the homerun that unofficialy ends your season.

    • Very true!

      AA’s relievers are doing a great job at mopping up after we lose the lead.

      Davis made more mistakes in LF last night by failing to catch a line drive in LF

    • Good God.
      If you think the trades were done for a playoff push THIS YEAR you are nuts.

      Fucking Jays fans. They are so dumb.

      Go buy Baseball player devolopment for dummies and learn how to build a winning team, and how long it takes.
      It’s been 19 years since playoffs. Get over that. It’s been 3 years since AA took over. What team rebuilds from less than nothing in under 5 years?

      It took the Yankees almost 20 years to rebuild from 1978 to the 90′s. It took Tampa years and years.

      Get a clue

      • A-fucking-men

      • They’re not hearing you man.

      • hear, hear

        but it’s easy for those of us actually sitting on the fan wagon … we’re hearing the screams of the ones who are bumping around in the gravel, hanging on by one fingernail, believing that if you don’t win, you lose AND it’s personal.

        oh, yeah and who wants them a Darvish this week?

      • I get it but it’s so frustrating when you get swept by the fucking mariners

      • If the Oakland Athletics make the playoffs this year, they would have won the ALDS in 2006, been total shit for 5 seasons, and make the playoffs again. It is possible to rebuild a lot faster than the Jays have.

        • The funny thing about your statement is that AA has been at the helm for 3 seasons.

          But don’t let reality get in your way, feel free to keep on going.

          • Uh….

            I’m just giving a time frame here. I am aware that AA and his leadership has not been around for 5 years yet. The Jays organization has been. They haven’t been able to even achieve a fucking playoff berth in two decades.

            Oakland wouldn’t be an isolated incident either. The fucking Florida Marlins took the WS in 1997, rebuilt completely, came back five years later, and won another championship in 2003.

            If a team has a commitment to winning, it can happen.

          • @ wow wow

            Please stop displaying your ignorance for all to see.
            It’s embarrassing.
            I feel bad for you, but like the passion.
            This isn’t hockey so half the league doesn’t make the playoffs every year.
            The 20 years missing the playoffs thing , please read some history on the team. From the Interbrew years to the Godfrey years to today.
            It’ll give you some prespective.

          • You’re right Radar. Impossible to get a playoff berth in 20 years.

        • HOLY CRAP! I’m so happy for you I had to comment on your blog. I’ve been rdeiang along for a while now and am so excited for you/proud of you for all your hard work, dedication, and progress. WOOHOO!!!

      • The accident of finding this post has brgintehed my day

  9. I believe I just mentioned how it was ironic. Don’t worry, I still patiently await for the 3 kids in Low A ball to save the franchise from perpetual mediocrity.

    • You created most of the “perpetual mediocrity” Mr. ash, no?

    • another fuckin dummy mouthing off. the goal of almost all sporting leagues is to balance power which results in 500 averages and it looks like baseball is becoming successful in achieving it. look at the standings and last 10 game results and the mediocrity that is prevalent in all divisions. a 50 50 team and league is the most profitable and most controversial planned businees plan. it is the perfect recipe. all arguments and passions clash and fan interest is piqued. so understand it is the ultimate goal of all sports businessmen to achieve this method which annoys the hell out of you. you are being played and dont even realize that you can thank a social engineer for your angst. fuckin dummies everywhere with a big mouth

    • This shows real extsipree. Thanks for the answer.

  10. I would like to see wilner and stoeten argue

  11. I know – - – AA should have not made any deals from the outset trying to overhaul this organization.

    Instead he should have dealt every prospect to win with the great core of Wells, Rios, A. Gonzalez. Hill & Barajas. When it failed,Halladay would have left as a free agent, Marcum would be our ace right now with our best prospect would be Deck McGuire and all of our future hopes would rest on Travis Snider.
    Yeah, that would be so much better

  12. This team misses Jose Bautista.

    And Arencibia. And Lind. (shivers)

    Come back soon.

  13. I’m getting a little fucking sick and tired of this “AA started with nothing, how could you possibly expect him to turn around a team in three fucking years you dumbass” argument you see all the time here. For the record, I still think he’s one of the smartest GMs in baseball, I liked the trades and the idea of actually building a bullpen and I think its pretty easy to find a LF if he really tried.
    But how have we all fucking forgotten that the only reason there are more than 15k fans at any Jays games, in fact the only reason AA still has a job in all likelihood, is a JPR pickup; yes, the one and only JOSE BAUTISTA! Think how terrible this team would be without him!
    So, yes, what AA has done in three years is remarkable. He’s turned a team that was bereft of any hope into one undeniably on the upswing. But you know what, the people questioning AA aren’t retarded (fine, most of them are, but in concept). This has been a shitty, shitty, shitty, shitty team plus the best player in baseball.

    • People wouldn’t come out to see the daredevil that gives us all maple boners? – Bret Lawrie

      • Where we wanna be?

        Last night Texas came back 2x and won a pivotal game after their once shiny new toy, epically failed again …

        I say that’s were we wanna be and the QUESTION is always something like whether we are generally headed in that direction. I say we are. Against Boston we saw signs of being able to do that kind of thing. We are not there yet, plain to see. One of the biggest obstacles is the fans being able to BELIEVE and not create a massive negativity when what is, in baseball, a normal fail, occurs. Earlier in the year even Jose was having trouble with this when he struck out.

        As the 500 argument above, so well-stated, points out we have to get used to this brave new world … I think the process that the Jays are working has a chance to produce some exciting results … the JPR kind of opposite process no longer has a chance.

        A team is the sum total of ALL its Relations (and I’ll save you all the Quantum Physics that proves this traditional wisdom to be true) … besides, believing is a lot more fun … you don’t have to be right all the time.

        • I always believe in April. By August it’s usually full blown depression. September is acceptance, and the cycle begins a new.

        • Well, you’re right, since ’93 the Blue Jays have mastered the normal fail.

          • not really, that would have been to let players like Jeff Kent, Michael Young, Chris Carpenter stay and experience the normal fail … instead for dubious short term gain they mastered the excruciatingly painful fail on their face … so give us TRUE jays fans a break and try to see why we like it better where we are now.

    • Here is the Jays’ “one-man team:”

      Edwin Encarnacion: 3.4 fWAR 3.4 bWAR
      Jose Bautista: 3.2 fWAR 3.2 bWAR
      Brett Lawrie: 2.8 fWAR 3.7 bWAR
      Colby Rasmus: 2.0 fWAR 2.2 bWAR
      Yunel Escobar: 1.7 fWAR 2.7bWAR
      J.P. Arencibia: 1.5 fWAR 1.4 bWAR
      Rajai Davis: 1.3 fWAR 1.1 bWAR
      Kelly Johnson: 1.0 fWAR 1.9 bWAR
      Jeff Mathis: 0.7 fWAR 0.8 bWAR
      Adam Lind: -0.2 fWAR -0.2 bWAR
      Eric Thames: -0.6 fWAR -0.8 bWAR

      I can keep going, if you want. The rest of the team isn’t garbage, believe it or not. There may be garbage players (cough Adam Lind), but Jose has help.

      • Thanks for injecting some reality into the discussion. Ray doesn’t seem to have a great grasp of things. For example, “the only reason AA still has a job is because of Bautista” as if GM’s are regularly fired within 2 years of starting their position, and as if he hasn’t made massive improvements to the team. The more we can use facts the better.

      • Jesus fucking Christ guys. This is exactly the shit I was talking about. Let me put it in the simplest fucking way I possibly can. Jose Bautista gets lots of WAR. Without his WAR every team in the AA era would have been safely under .500. In 2010 we had the lowest attendance since 1982. That trend has improved the past few years in large part because of Jose Bautista. General Managers whose teams set records for low attendance get fired.

        Let me stress, because I apparently didn’t make it cristal clear enough, that I think AA is running the baseball team in the best possible way. I’m not waving a pitchfork, I’m pointing out a set of very, very, very simple facts. You don’t have to be a condescending dickbag every time someone disagrees with you. Thank you for validating the original point of my argument.

  14. I’m the type of fan who believes results are all that matter and Snider just did not get it here maybe the Pirates will make something out of him or his swing will remain slow yet again. Very nice guy like his style, but that just does not win games. Lincoln is here till 2018 and can help now may even be another Fraser or turn out like Wells (pitcher) years ago and become a good starter after a couple of years in relief

    • I don’t think anyone here really thought that Snider was raking at the major league level before being traded. I think most people who were upset with the trade were upset that Snider was never given an ample opportunity to prove himself (ie, 500PAs) at the Major League level. The Jays dicked him around, fucked his development, and then traded him at his lowest point. We traded a potential All-Star LF for fucking bullpen help.

      It is funny that people here will cheer for AA when he acquires Rasmus, Escobar and Bautista — and then cheer for him for trading away that same level of potential in Travis Snider. Bautista has been quoted as saying that the stability and chance that the Jays offered him allowed him to become the elite hitter he is today. Why not afford Travis Snider the same fucking opportunity for success? Who the fuck are we going to have next year in LF? Sierra? Davis? Gose? You can bet your ass we’re not signing Hamilton (who is slumping hard and makes the Jays look like patient hitters) or Swisher. Maybe the Jays think they have a really good shot at Upton… shrug.

  15. As much as I used to dislike Parkes, at least he isn’t a fucking hopeless homer and is willing to (rightfully) criticize the JA Happ and Lincoln trades. Fucking pathetic trades…

    • you are such a class act. like people that you used to dislike because they finally think the same as you for once. and anybody who agrees that AA had to get some immediate help under the gun are hopeless homers. oh to have friends such as you. fuck off and cheer for another team dick

      • If they needed the immediate help so badly, why is Happ still in the pen as a mop up guy? Perhaps it really wasn’t being “under the gun” so much as it was amassing “assets”.

        • uh there is still more to the season and if they make the WC these players can play. simple enough for you

    • Really? You know that already? I’ll trade you, your crystal ball for mine because mine is cloudy on those trades.

    • Go the fuck away then. Sck of reading your ridiculous gargle.

  16. now you’re a man, a man, man, man.
    now you’re a ma-man, a ma-ma-ma-ma-man
    now you’re a man, M-A-N man, man.
    man, man, maan.

    now you’re a man.

  17. snider was raking against lefties. it will be interesting to see if snider/thames improve outside of jays. is there something wrong with the jays player development? if these guys rake then it will be an embarassment to the jays.

  18. One thing I think we can take from the Snider trade is that AA is not afraid to give up value to get what he wants.

    +League for Morrow
    Back then people still thought of League as our future closer–and indeed he turned into the M’s closer. For many years M’s fans still felt that they won that trade. Now Morrow has turned into a bona-fide ace.

    +Wallace for Gose
    Another trade that was a headscratcher at the time. Wallace had value as a top prospect, and AA pawned him off for a low minors guy with upside. Looks great in retrospect.

    +Marcum for Lawrie
    Marcum was our ace at the time, and had been a borderline Cy Young candidate the season before. A number of writers thought that Marcum was the best pickup Milwaukee had made in the offseason–better than Greinke.

    +Snider for Lincoln
    I still don’t like the idea of trading a position player for a reliever, especially one with as much upside as Snider. But the possibility exists that Lincoln could be very, very good. I wish we had given up someone else, but if AA really likes the guy, the trade might end up not looking so bad a season or two from now.

    • +100

    • yeah but other than maybe morrow, none of the trades have amounted to much for the jays. his trades are more about shuffling the deck to save money which never gets spent. with all the money saved alex better go out and get some big time free agents.

    • Well said. It seems many assume Lincoln is a guy that AA settled on, when in actuality he’s a guy they targeted, and the price happened to be Snider. We won’t know if it’ll pay off for a little while, but based on what we know, a value whore like AA wouldn’t make a trade like this unless he felt strongly about it.

      It’s fine to question whether the deal will work out or not. It’s a gamble like the other ones, but it’s at least important to recognize that these are intentional targets, and he’s not just throwing darts blind.

  19. small sample size, but I really liked the way Lincoln looked last night. Confidence! Reminded me of Paul Quantrill who used to come in and just throw hard to hit. Lincoln 7 pitches 4 outs.

  20. I really can’t stand relievers who “nibble” AND worse Walk batters.

  21. A lot of writers seem to think that Cliff Lee will get traded this month. Doesn’t that make us the favorites if we’re not too fiscally conservative to take on the contract? I could be wrong, but I thought the team with the worst record gets first claim. That seems like one of those ‘competitive advantages’ we’re always talking about to me.

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