Now it’s time for all the stuff I don’t figure on making full posts out of, with the spiffy graphic by Matt English (aka @mattomic). It’s your Afternoon Snack… er… Afternoon Hangover… er… links!!!

Kevin Goldstein posted his revised top 50 prospects this morning at Baseball Prospectus, and there are some Jays to note: Travis d’Arnaud is 8th (up from 16), Aaron Sanchez jumps all the way from off the list to 26th, Dan Norris goes from 54 to 41, and Anthony Gose is behind him at 42 (up from 68).

More Gold(stein) stuff from Monday at BP, as he mentioned the phenomenal performance of Roberto Osuna in his Ten Pack post, explaining that he’s a very good prospect, there are still red flags (notably his delivery and body type). “He’s definitely someone to keep an eye on, but he’s still below many other young pitchers in the system. All he’s done for now is reduce the gap.”

And speaking of the Canadians, they’ve lost Marcus Stroman, as the first-round pick heads to New Hampshire, according to his own tweet from earlier today.

Shi Davidi of Sportsnet went to Everett, WA, to check out the Vancouver Canadians, and caught up with Osuna for a feature on the ridiculously young hurler, as well as Stroman, for a feature on him as well.

Ben Badler of Baseball America reports that the Jays have voided the contract of one of the international amateur prospects they recently signed. Luis Castro– the 9th best prospect available, per BA– didn’t pass his physical, and will lose his $900,000 bonus, returning to free agent status.

Impressive stuff from Kevin Glew of CBC Sports, who suggested three trades for the Jays to make last week, one of which was acquiring Brad Lincoln from Pittsburgh, and another involved sending Eric Thames to Seattle. Obviously they were exact, but that’s some solid speculation for the Anthopoulos era, I think.

At (Insider Only), Kiley McDaniel is taking a second look at some of Keith Law’s top 100 pre-season prospects, and has lots of good things to say about Jake Marisnick, who “has plenty of hitting tools, [but] still has some things to work on at the plate.” McDaniel refers to a “a patient, sometimes almost passive approach early in the count that would force him into pitchers’ counts.” But we’re told his plate discipline is better than numbers indicate, and that “an improved early at-bat approach could propel him to the big leagues in short order, as Marisnick shows more feel at the plate than most tooled-up kids do at his age.”

At Jays Journal, Jared Macdonald assures us we should be happy with Brad Lincoln, while Mat Germain wonders if an extension for Carlos Villanueva might be in the cards.

At Minor League Ball, John Sickels reviews the Thames trade.

Over at the Mockingbird, Jon Hale compares Travis Snider to Carlos Delgado, while longing for a time when prospects weren’t so ludicrously hyped and “the Jays had enough depth that they didn’t need to have their most precious assets forgo prudent development at AAA in order to fill immediate holes on the major-league team.” He doesn’t see good things for Gose and Alvarez in this regard, and it’s hard to disagree. writes about Taylor Cole of the Vancouver Canadians, a 22-year-old who “took two years off to completely step away from baseball in 2009 and ’10 to serve on a church mission in Toronto, and in 2011, he’ll be the first to admit he needed some time to return to the game in proper form. But in 2012, he’s back in dominating fashion.”

Mike Rutsey of the Toronto Sun gives us some updates on the continuing progress of Brandon Morrow and Jose Bautista as the Jays’ two best players continue working to come back from injury.

Our old friend the Tao of Stieb waves a misty goodbye to Travis Snider.

Speaking of the Snider-Lincoln deal, Eno Sarris of FanGraphs wonders if Alex Anthopoulos just made a bad trade.

Brendan Kennedy of the Toronto Star gives us some background on the two relievers acquired on Monday night.

Lastly, at Grantland, Jonah Keri reviews the moves made by AL teams at the deadline, explaining that “the Jays really, really, really, really wanted relief help.” I think commenter Frasor has it right in AA Speaks! post below: “Due to the changes to the draft pick compensation system veteran relievers are no longer worth paying the extra money for. Relief pitchers are still going to be volatile commodities, but the new system makes it even more important to field an inexpensive bullpen.”

Comments (40)

  1. the baseball prspectus link aint working for this guy

  2. Minor League Ball is coming up as Malware on Chrome, never has before.

  3. Wow, that cbc sports guy had sone good speculation. Happy we didnt lose yunel for lincoln though

  4. No shit..agree about the inexpensive bullpen. But the way you fill it is with internal guys on the cheap…like the loups of the world. You also then take a few failed starters (hint mcguire and jenkins) and see if a role in which they can go all out for a couple innings, dont have to turn over a lineup multiple times, and can go to a two pitch repertoire if needed can result in a successful major league pen arm.

    I dont think this means you have to start trading assets like snider for these arms. look at how nearly all the other teams do it….their pens are full of failed starters who throw big heat and some passable slider or change..and it works for the most part and its cheap.

    • McGuire and Jenkins are in AA. I think it is a stretch to call them “failed starters”. Should we have moved Romero to the pen when he failed at AA?

      • He was very nearly looking like one for a while there, no?

        That’s not to say Jenkins and McGuire are busts, but they’re the lower echelon of our pitching prospects, and they may have the stuff to be great relievers. It’s a good theory.

      • Probably..yeah.. He had big time control issues and to this day does as well. they were fortunate with him but he is the extreme exception to the rule.

        should they have traded delgado when he struggled in the big leagues early on? cause that is the exact counterpoint to yours in terms of what they did with snider.

      • true, they are failed pitchers

    • Well, JP Riccardi didn’t draft shit so we don’t have any starters, failed or otherwise, near major league ready. And not to offend anyone, but a lot (most?) people would argue that the bullpen arms we got in the last month were exceedingly cheap.

      • monetarily yes, but at the expense of two things

        1. snider..

        2. having to watch rajai davis play regularly for a year and two months.

        number two is a HUUUGE price to pay for most of us.

    • I don’t necessarily disagree that, in an ideal world, you would want to be producing live-armed swing and miss relief options (along with options at all other positions) out of your farm system, but if they don’t exist, still have potential to start, or are too far away to really assess their future roles, doesn’t it make sense to acquire them from other teams? especially if you can get younger, controllable options instead of the free-agent retread shitbags available in the offseason.

      • it might if you were going somewhere. this team is going nowhere. next year you could re assess. All the jays would have to do in order to make sure snider retained the value he had now was to have him start the year in LF..surely the best option they would have had anyway.

        • but your point is well taken. there is a potential pen gap there…but the only reason we are even so fixated on the pen to begin with is because the starting staff isn’t very good and is also injured. but injuries aside, morrow is really the only guy you can count on out of ALL the injured and un injured to go deep into games. everyone else….6 IP is GREAT.

        • phone and ask an advertising agncey “Hypothetically if I wanted to reach women under 35 in Miami with a television ad, what do I need to do?”Instead you have to hire a BUNCH of yuppie (anyone use that word still?) to “quant” all that data?I could get one guy who programs dbase IV, who also maintains this really neat website for his World of Warcraft guild to do the same thing.This is more interesting:”The new megafile didn’t just tell the campaign how to find voters and get their attention; it also allowed the number crunchers to run tests predicting which types of people would be persuaded by certain kinds of appeals. Call lists in field offices, for instance, didn’t just list names and numbers; they also ranked names in order of their persuadability, with the campaign’s most important priorities first. About 75% of the determining factors were basics like age, sex, race, neighborhood and voting record. Consumer data about voters helped round out the picture. We could [predict] people who were going to give online. We could model people who were going to give through mail. We could model volunteers, said one of the senior advisers about the predictive profiles built by the data. In the end, modeling became something way bigger for us in ’12 than in ’08 because it made our time more efficient. I don’t buy it though. I bet it didn’t do shit. The people who gave to the Obama campaign were going to give to the Obama campaign.

  5. David Cooper batting 4th against a left hander in a game started by Aaron Laffey = dog days. And all before August 1st

  6. Does anyone now if Sanchez is injured? The guy has been had a huge drop off the last four starts.

    • No idea, but I’m guessing they’d be really careful is he was hurting. Maybe they’re working on a new pitch or something?

  7. Castro must have had a pretty serious condition to fail the physical. Maybe he didn’t want to accept a lower cost renegotiated deal too for the Jays not to work something out with him. I mean failing a physical at sixteen is eyebrow raising.

  8. Well I for one am fucking thankful that we don’t use our major league bullpen as a clearing house for future draft picks anymore. That was a shitty fucking two years. I never thought I’d say this, but if the compensation thing is the reason AA has decided to actually try and build a bullpen then Thank You Bud Selig!

    • +1

    • “Only the numbers mttaer! … Sabermetricians are sports fans who’d rather ignore the physical … The story told about Barry Bonds by sabermetricians will be Aspergery / hero-worshipping lunacy.”Seems to me that many Sabrs watch hundreds of games a seson, and are quite in touch with the physical aspect of the game. There are, for example, “physical”, normal-Joe-Six-pack reasons to have been a fan of Barry Bonds in his is steroid years besides numbers, at least for us Giants fans. His batting was beautiful to watch. Almost all players take at least one silly looking whiffy hack every game, if not every plate appearance. Bonds, on the other hand, always looked calm, in control, menacing, like a stalking predator who knows exactly what his prey (the opposing pitcher) was going to throw, and exactly what to do with it. He had a look of patient disgust as he straightened up and backed away from the many balls thrown inside or outside, low or high. But when a pitch headed over the plate, Bonds would coil and strike, and let loose a powerful rip, often sending the ball screaming the other way. I’ve never seen anything so dramatic and aesthetically perfect, in all my years as a baseball fan.”They’re all males, and they’re pretty much all white. I’ll be scouring the world for a female sabermetrician, as well as one of color soon enough, so if anyone can refer one to me, that’d be great. … If you know one, just let Bob know …”Calling a group of people hideously white and hideously male is something I am more used to seeing on Kos or Jezebel than iSteve. Seems like a useful tool to use against the Obama IT staff, since they are an explicitly lefty-egalitarian organization, but the Sabrs are not that.

  9. Joh Hale’s comparative on Delgodo vs. Snider is statistical bafoonery at its best. The obtuse formulas analyzing the entry level offensive stats of 2 players whose paths were as markedly different as their race is rediculous. What purpose can this serve but to keep the cult of Snider alive, and in doing so demean the accomplishments of the greatest offensive first baseman in Jays history.

  10. Hey guys anyone seen my chin around somewhere? Anyone? Farrell?

  11. Speaking of the Snider trade, that reminds me of those photoshop pics I did during spring training. It would be immensely appropriate now lol:

    In some weird way, it takes the sting away.

  12. Texas is in a funk

  13. Kevin Glew, at CBC otta be selling used cars for a living. He has a high opinion of the “four decent prospects” we gave up in the Houston trade. It’ll be the trade highlight if just 1 of these guys plays a game at the Major League level – and thats considering that we are talking Huston here.

  14. I’m a huge fucking tool.

  15. On the one hand I like stocking up on young, controllable cost-certain relievers, with the idea that the money saved in your bullpen can be redistributed for more star power elsewhere. On the other hand, the new system should actually PUSH DOWN the cost of the one or two year reliever, yes? The ability to turnover free-agent relievers to-be for draft picks MUST have inflated their price somewhat. With that inflationary pressure removed, the market for free agent relievers should now soften.

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