Davidi on Snider: Part Two

Shi Davidi has part two of his piece on the Travis Snider saga up at Sportsnet, and it starts painting a different picture than the one I thought I saw yesterday, one that almost makes you wonder whether the calm, modest manner we’ve always seen from Snider– that allowed the media to so casually talk about the wisdom beyond his years he possessed– wasn’t just a veneer, but a genuine detriment that helped him internalize all the conflicting emotions and thoughts that he seems to believe largely held him back.

Sure, maybe that’s easily dismissed armchair psychology on my part, but it’s truly striking that, for a guy who came off as so thoughtful and mature, he certainly seems to be the common denominator in a number of communication breakdowns with a number of different people, and his own worst enemy in terms of being able to focus.

In the spring of 2011, we’re told, the Jays and Snider discussed a contract extension, and the club went to Snider’s people with a proposal that the player calls, as you would entirely expect, “very club friendly.”

After being informally discussed in the offseason, Snider’s extension slid down the clubs list of priorities. In camp he was told something was coming, but that was also delayed. The formal offer eventually came, but while he was waiting he was nursing an injury, getting ready for the season, and having a hard time processing it all.

“For me at this point, there are a lot of distractions going on mentally instead of focusing on just the game of baseball and preparing for a long season,” he says.

His camp eventually turned down the offer. Back in Toronto, Anthopoulos had a talk with him, seeming to want to clear the air, make sure they were on the same page and fight off any potential for distraction. Snider, however, viewed it differently, finding the timing and subject matter of the talk confusing, and saying that during the discussion, “there was some pressure put on me: ‘Are you really in this, are you really about what we’re trying to do here.’ ”

Davidi writes:

“Though Snider says he doesn’t regret the decision to turn down the extension, at the time it weighed on him heavily. Instead of being focused on his swing in the batting cage, his mind would drift to whether he’d made a mistake or not, question why things unfolded as they did and wonder if he had done something to make the Blue Jays question his worth.”

You get the sense from the second installment gives is that this is just how the kid is wired, mentally. Part of me can’t help but hope that’s not true, though, because… I mean… Jesus, there are so many hours in the day, in the week– if really true, it must have been a insufferably draining to bear the constant burden of these thoughts.

But that’s how he says it was.

And thinking back to yesterday’s piece, I’d have to admit that in a way it perhaps casts Cito Gaston and Gene Tenace in a more favourable light, simply because you almost get the feeling here that no one could have reasonably been expected to keep Snider’s thoughts from getting the better of him. Though, surely, the player was done no favours by having been fucked with so badly, or by the useless manager abdicating responsibility for an impressionable, young, wildly talentet player– a serious asset with still boundless trade value– by washing his hands of him and demanding that he succeed with one, entirely unfamiliar approach, or he was on his own.

Again, though, that all comes back to the hopelessly cynical and disgraceful management team who valued the hide-saving PR goodwill of bringing in said legendary manager more than they did the needs of the player who was by far their best prospect, and anyone else who wasn’t going to adapt well to their one-size-fits-all approach– in much the same way that they cynically valued the PR win of rushing Snider to the Majors in the first place.

Of course, that not to say it’s all on Cito and Geno, and the people who hired them, for having fucked up the Golden Boy. Davidi’s second piece certainly crystallizes the notion that Snider was his own worst enemy by a hefty margin. And yet, Alex Anthopoulos and his front office aren’t beyond reproach in any of this either– especially for the still-laughable decision to choose to keep Eric Thames on the active roster, demoting Snider in mid-2011, which he says “was another blow to the confidence of this buildup of this our core group. I was like, ‘man, that’s a short leash, I don’t feel like I was given a shot.’ ”

Did Snider’s mature, thoughtful veneer– assuming it was the same in private as we saw in public– mask the desperate needs of his fragile confidence? It’s impossible to say, but the piece certainly has me wondering as much, even though, as time goes on, and as swing changes come and go, such excuses become harder and harder to take seriously.

It’s funny, I remember that in the early days of the blog I would always push back against commenters’ ridiculous notions of the “closer mentality,” or fragile ballplayers not being able to hack it in the clutch, or just in general due do some outside distraction, by insisting that it would be tremendously difficult for a player to even make it to the Major Leagues without the ability to tune out those kinds of distractions and produce, without having to face adversity and the potential of getting cut or losing his job at several stops along the way, which generally means that the guys we see in the big leagues don’t simply turn to quivering piles of goo under difficult circumstances, the way many of us feel we might if we’d been asked to do what they do in pressure packed situations. Snider’s comments make you wonder if maybe he’s the rare guy, though, who was just so wildly successful the whole way through that he didn’t get weeded out.

The constant need for swing changes suggests there’s more to it, of course, but Snider sure seems to believe that it was the mental aspects of the game where he was left wanting– and it’s a credit to him, at least, that he admits as much.

Comments (109)

  1. I wonder why Snider did not counter offer AA?

    • Season was about to start and AA didn’t want to negotiate during the season.

      And Snider seems to be… a guy with internal conflicts.

    • Learn how to use a fucking period in your long shitty redundant sentence.

  2. “but the piece certainly has me wondering as much, even though, as time goes on, and as swing changes come and go, such excuses become harder and harder to take seriously”

    Me agrees with this

  3. way to copy and paste shi’s article…excellent journalism (or blogging..whatever the fuck it is)

  4. “he certainly seems to be the common denominator in a number of communication breakdowns with a number of different people, and his own worst enemy in terms of being able to focus.”

    I think that pretty much hits the nail on the head. It’s not that others are without blame, but when you’re seemingly getting mixed messages from everyone you talk to, you have to wonder who the person screwing up the message really is.

    As for his demotion versus Thames… well, given that *someone* had to go down, that they were working on his swing, and that he was TERRIBLE at the time (he was in the middle of a 15 game stretch where he hit .161/.159/.242 with 22Ks and 0 BB – admittedly Thames wasn’t any better) it’s hardly surprising he was demoted. That he was ‘blindsided’ (as it was put in the article) speaks to his mindset, IMO.

  5. As soon as i read about Snider’s own frustration and mental state during this struggling time in early 2011 i remembered a minor on field outburst from around the same time and luckily it was uploaded online.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=13970353&c_id=mlb

    that just pretty much sums up what he was feeling at the time.

  6. I think Travis Snider’s life is essentially a series of interactions which people that confuse him, crush his confidence and cause him to fail.

    I don’t know if Travis Snider is an outlier but I think a lot of guys get to the minor leagues because they were the best player in their town and that immense talent never saw them fail so they could mentally be very fragile with adversity. (See Kyle Drabek)

    I think Travis’ fast rise through the minor league system never put him in a position where he would fail and deal with the adversity. He got to the majors really fast and had to deal with adversity for the first time at the major league level. Probably quite the mind fuck.

  7. I don’t know why no one is talking about how Ricky needs to star banging Miss USA again.

  8. Oh FFS.yeah, Snider was dealt a crappy hand but is it really worth a three part story. This really is head shaking.Many players have come and gone from the Jays over the years and I can’t recall anyone getting this bent out of shape not even when Halladay was traded and he was a (productive) Jay a lot longer than Snider.

    • Snider was the best prospect the Jays have ever had.

      He was hyped as a superstar before he hit 20.

    • The Jays Org hadn’t had a position player with Snider’s offensive upside since Carlos Delgado. That made him an important asset. How the Org curiously managed that asset since ’08 has drawn a lot of attention to it.

  9. After reading the Davidi articles, Snider kind of reminds me of the description in Moneyball of Billy Beane’s baseball career; overthinking to a fault. Guys like Brett Lawrie and Lenny Dykstra don’t think, they just act.

  10. I’m loving this stuff.. excellent job.

    Stoeten, think of golfers that simply choke coming down the stretch in big money situations. I know it’s golf, but I think it at least partially resembles what happens to some ball players in high leverage situations.

  11. I’m sorry but you’re not even an established major leaguer and yet you’re insulted at an offer that keeps you at, at the very least, above major league minimum with probably a couple of club option years that will be undervalued if you reach potential?? You’re in the major leagues and by accepting the deal you’ve just given the club a big intensive to ride it out with you if you struggle badly (as you had done the previous season). Not only that but you let you’re worries about this get into your head so badly? over what? that you might end up with only $6 million instead of $10 million?? And he STILL doesn’t regret the decision??? Wow, my opinion of him has just dropped like a rock

  12. I’ve sarcastically commented in the past that intelligence and success at the major league level are inversely related. I’m going to have to replace “intelligence” with “introspection” in that equation after reading the first two Snider articles. It seems to me more and more that a desultory relationship with self-awareness (I’m looking at you Brett Lawrie) is vital to succeeding in the big leagues. Playing armchair psychologist as well, it seems only natural to turn inward if you’d lost a parent and both grandparents within a short period of time and at such a young age as Snider. And I agree with Stoeten that having Cito there only made a bad situation worse. Although I don’t see why Beeston gets a free pass in this debacle. It seems entirely plausible to me that Ricciardi only brought Cito in either at the behest of Beeston or simply as a way to ingratiate himself to the new boss. Fucking Beeston – get me my natural grass!!!

    • I do think there are some players e.g., Snider, Beane, for whom introspection seems to be their downfall. And that for other players of a certain type, a lack of introspection helps them, e.g., lawrie, Dykstra.

      However, I think setting the right player development environment throughout the whole organization can possibly harness this introspection in a way that can help increase the chance of mlb success. It sounds like the JP Ricciardi jays were terrible in this regard.

      • I completely agree that creating an environment that’s conducive to player development is paramount. However, it seems to me that guys prone to self-doubt or overly dwell on their failures are handicapping themselves from the get-go. An absence of self-doubt (or the outward appearance of such anyway – again, I’m looking at you Brett Lawrie) is no guarantee of success but it is one less impediment.

  13. The more I read, the most I get the uncomfortable gut feeling… was Snider just downright unteachable?

    Teachers debate whether some kids are impossible to teach. Your teaching tactics will get through to 90% of the class, but will fall flat on one kid. Encouragement goes nowhere, and criticism does nothing but reinforce bad behavior. It’s a losing game.

    If you strip yourself from the emotional attachment to Snider (his goofy moustache and rosy cheeks and the night he tore up Fenway and his Thanksgiving smorgasboard tweet-fests), even though we all agree he was royally dicked around by management in his first couple years, you can’t help but wonder what the hell was going on upstairs.

    Every discussion he had with management seems to turn into a he-said/he-said breakdown. His hitting coach gives him hitting advice (literally the dictionary definition of the job title “hitting coach”, I’m not sure why people are offended by the idea of a coach coaching) and he takes it as such a grievous insult, he retreats inward and falls apart at the plate. Then he gets (rightfully) sent down, and won’t even shake his manager’s hand. He comes back up and Cito tries talking him through his hitting approach (again, something a veteran manager SHOULD be doing with a struggling 20-year-old prospect) using the same motivating tactics he’s seen work on the dozens of other young, talented prospects he’s managed, but on Travis, it’s taken as an insult that starts a downward spiral of doubt and anger.

    From the Jays’ perspective, it probably just looked like an endless cycle of Travis hits well, Travis doubts himself, there’s a communication breakdown and Travis gets upset and self-doubting, Travis works on his swing, Travis hits well again, repeat as necessary.

    • I don’t think this all is evidence that Snider was unteachable. There is a lot of evidence that during the AA regime he had a very good relationship with Chad Mottola

    • “Snider went at the swing changes with a fierce determination; working relentlessly in the cage with 51’s hitting coach Chad Mottola, his progress briefly derailed by a concussion after he was hit by a pitch on the bill of his helmet. He went from a closed stance in which he often pulled off the ball to one that started more open before closing in on the pitch, helping his plate coverage. ”

      Does not sound like someone who is unteachable; just someone who needs the right teacher and approach.

      • Counterpoint. Nothing he was shown stuck.

      • You can’t teach somebody until they are willing to be taught.

        There’s a good quote I read somewhere, you can live life falling into every hole or you can watch other people falling into the holes and walk around them. Snider seems to be the time who likes falling into holes.

  14. the story is good don’t get me wrong, however, would have been much better if he was actually doing something in Pit….

  15. If they were to extend Snider during ST, wouldn’t they have been somewhat obligated to give him the job out of camp? And if they were prepared enough to do that, why did that not happen when he didn’t sign the contract?

    ….no, im not gonna go there.

    • Granted, obviously Snider wouldn’t have gotten the contract that Lind did, but it would have been interesting had he been given a contract that was large enough the Org would have left him be on the MLB roster without the jerking up and down. Them owing Lind a guaranteed contract obviously saved his ass for a few years.

      • +1.
        The Rogers philosophy is that if a player is getting paid a few million a year he gets to play.

        Look at Juan Rivera. The Jays had to move Edwin to 3B where he was not comfortable to keep Rivera at DH.

        Rivera played very poorly in LF later on.

  16. Great take on it Mr. Stoeten.

    I’m rooting for him even though I admit to feeling he shares a part of this. As bad as some people may have treated him at times, there are other teams full of jerks and obnoxious coaches.

    Most sad, is the thought that losing his mom just as he is supposed to be turning into an adult, may have lost him some good parental advice.

  17. Everyone is reading this article and shitting on Snider. I wonder what would have happened if any of you had to deal with this shit as a 21 year old.

    give me a break. few other teams have gotten away with not letting a star prospect get the necessary at bats to adjust back to the adjustments made on him.

    I can think of a few examples, but all from contending teams who didn’t have the AB’s to waste on a struggling prospect. the jays don’t have that excuse.

    regardless of what you think of snider as a person and as a player, I just don’t see how the Jays could have handled this any worse.

    • you clearly were a less mature 21 year old than the rest of us. Most 21 year olds offered at least 5 million bucks to play a sport they loved for a few years would have taken it

      • this is probably the worst argument i’ve seen.

        just because its something you love to do doesn’t mean you let a team take advantage of you. there is a reason why they have agents

    • Whoa dude. All that’s happening here is people who have shit hard on the Jays organization for years over Snider, are now being a little more balanced in their view of it all.

      Considering there are multiple parties to basically everything in life… a balanced view has to be closer to “full understanding” of the situation.

      No one hates Snider. Plenty of people hate Cito, JPR, Beeston, even AA.

    • I got harsher criticism playing hockey at 13.

  18. baseball players are human beings too

    would would have thought?

  19. Petetown Matt, I thought the same as you. Would they have offered the guy a long-term deal and then bounced him back and forth? Passed him over for Thames? Or if he had signed, would that have been the end, once and for all, of the ballyhooed “left field battle” with Snider emerging as the permanent left fielder? I guess we’ll never know how much rejecting the offer impacted how the team viewed him and how they handled him. That may have been the point where they decided he was on his way out.

  20. It is odd that the only man in the organization to actually show any faith in Snider was Cito Gaston, who kept him in the lineup when he hit .155/..277/.338 in April 2010, and was rewarded when Snider started hitting soon afterwards. When Snider did the same thing for John Farrell a year later, he was sent to AAA. Alex Anthopoulos gave Snider’s job to Eric Thames, twice, and then traded him for a middle reliever.

    • So I’m guessing you didn’t read the article then.

      • Did Gaston sent Snider to the minors in 2010? Did Farrell stick with Snider in 2011? Is it not obvious that Alex Anthopoulos, more than anyone else, was the person in the Jays organization who didn’t think all that highly of Snider?

        • The part where AA offered him a contract?

          Which is something he has said he prefers (now anyway) to not even bother doing.

          And I really do hate to go there… but has AA’s assessment of Snider been wrong? He is currently striking out at a 200k a year pace for PIT and I think has already gotten injured over there.

          • I agree, and Anthopoulos may very well be quite right about Snider. (Although a middle reliever? Geez, if that’s all you can get, why bother?) I was responding more to Stoeten’s unerring instinct to blame Cito Gaston for everything up to and including global warming. Gaston remains the only guy who ever stuck with Snider through a period of struggle, and the only guy to actually get some quality major league play out of the kid. So far.

  21. snider comes out of these articles looking incredibly thin skinned… but my impression is that the organization, from AA to Geno, did an incredibly poor job of manging it’s best asset.

    it all makes you wonder what would have happened if they just left him alone and ran him out to LF 150 times a year…

  22. “especially for the still-laughable decision to choose to keep Eric Thames on the active roster”

    MLB

    E.Thames (24-25): 684pa, .727ops, .314woba, 97wRC+
    T.Snider (20-24): 1051pa, .725ops, .316woba, 93wRC+

    AAA

    E.Thames (24-25): 472pa, .985ops, .420woba, 146wRC+
    T.Snider (20-24): 797pa, .976ops, .422woba, 151wRC+

    AA

    E.Thames (23-23): 573pa, .896ops, .393woba, 142wRC+
    T.Snider (20-22): 508pa, .825ops, .367woba, 123wRC+

  23. I think the entire saga makes the point that there are two kinds of talent- physical and mental. When an athlete has both then he can become a superstar. Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, Mariano Rivera, etc.

    I was blessed with neither but I have competed against that type of person and the force of will, confidence, and focus is amazing.

    Snider had and has the physical tools but unfortunately he will always lack the drive- the complete certainty- that when the game is on the line he should have the bat or ball in his hands.

    In my opinion Brett Lawrie may rise to this level (if he ever gets rid of that horrible double-pump hitch in his swing) while Colby Rasmus probably won’t.

    • I also noticed that while watching the game last night. The extraneous movement in Lawrie’s swing appears a lot more exaggerated now.

      • I was looking at his swing frame by frame. He starts with his hands forward then ‘loads’ up by taking them back. Then he brings them forward and back once again. His actual swing starts with the ball only a few feet away from the plate.

        We are always being told that a player has to get his timing ‘right’. It is no wonder his power has disappeared given all of the extra pieces to his swing.

        The other player who baffles me is Rajai Davis. He starts with his stance square and then opens up his left foot. This pulls him away from the plate so when they pitch him away his butt is going back while his upper body is reaching for the ball creating a very strange posture.

        Anyway… I only mention this because one has to think that Snider isn’t the only player who refuses to listen to the hitting coach (or coaches).

  24. that kid doesn’t listen!?! All he keeps talking about is what he is having for dinner!

  25. I don’t get what Snider is hoping to accomplish by getting his story told. Is this some sort of therapeutic exercise by getting things off his chest? To me, he seems like a nice guy who means well but is really exposing himself as an insecure headcase. A dangerous portrait to paint of yourself when your golden boy luster has arguably worn off completely and you’re looking more and more like a AAAA player with each passing day.

    • Its all about having something to write about that is Jays related…the smart ones have slumbered away until the big trades….wink, fucking wink

  26. Im not understanding all the hate on the Jays for this. He worked with a number of different managment groups, managers, hitting coaches, even now the National League and he hasn’t hit anywhere but the minors.
    JP-Cito- Geno – Didn’t hit
    AA-Cito- Murph – Didn’t hit
    AA- Farrell -Murph – Didn’t hit
    NH- Clint Hurdle – Greg Ritchie – Didn’t hit

    All these guys are incompetent and Travis Snider the great knows best. Come on.

    Ya he was possibly rushed, ya someone could have used a different approach with him but its been 4 years and he has done literally nothing. I think this is on Travis at this point.

    • You must be a blast to watch anything more complicated than network comedy with: You’re obviously paying attention, but still you entirely miss the point.

      • And the point, Justin is?
        That he was dealt with unfairly?
        That it’s Cito’s fault?
        Musta been Tenace’s fault?
        He was promoted too early?
        Enlighten me.

        • I’m going with meats don’t clash.

        • in the end snider’s demise or success will be his own

          no one is saying he didn’t hit because of cito or aa or farrell

          but denying that he wasn’t jerked around is ridiculous.

          The league adjusts to young players, look no further than brett lawrie’s 2011 to 2012 to see that

          the difference is lawrie has been given a chance to adjust back, while snider never was..

          and its shocking to me to see people say he can’t hit, his career OPS is higher than 40% of the starters the jays broke the year with.

      • Which point? To me the series is looking at a) the process by which the team dealt with, results notwithstanding, the best prospect they’ve had in the last decade; b) the clash between a young player and an older staff, which is a reality of every power relationship; and, most interestingly, c) how different people view the same situation, especially given what seems apparent about Snider’s self-awareness and the affect that awareness (and associated self-doubt) has on a player, even someone primed (at that time, according to the conventional wisdom then) to be an elite MLB player

        I don’t think the series reads at all as an indictment of Cito, or of one of Snider. The original comment suggests the writer thinks somehow Snider’s lack of success should nullify evaluation or introspection. For the reasons above, I disagree.

  27. I kept saying I could fix Travis, but nobody listened.

  28. Snider wasn’t as talented as most of us thought, bottom line. Every ballplayer has shit running through their heads, the good ones can perform anyway.

    If you fail at any job, you always blame your bosses.

  29. As a canine psychologist, I cannot help but wonder if competent sports psychologists are in short supply and maybe before firing everyone else it might be a thought to get one or two who have a proven track record. Maybe here is a place that requires more depth too. Different mental approaches for different mentalities.

    Or maybe I’ll just go back to barking up the wrong tree some more.

  30. Hey Everybody!

    Be sure to write the Pttsburgh Pirates and tell them the Shitshow should be on the field not on the bench. You can’t appreciate the full dimensions of the Shitshow unless it’s spewed all over the field.

    Then for the 7th Inning Stretch I’ll sing “Maybe I Suck But it’s not my Fault”.

  31. Eh, I still think this is a whole lot about nothing. Prospects come and go and people who get drafted sometimes make it or now, for whatever reasons. Luke Hochevar was the first pick overall in Snider’s draft and he’s mucking around with a 1.40 WHIP and hasn’t reached his potential. Brandon Morrow was the 5th pick overall and Seattle threw their arms up at him (and I doubt anyone is writing a ‘What happened to Brandon Morrow’ 3 part series). Hell, Brad Lincoln was 4th in that draft, so by ‘talent evaluation’, he’s better than Snider.

    Sometimes, things don’t work out and it’s no one fault. We’re searching for something and overlooking the most obvious and boring explanations, but because it involves the 2 people in Jays history that get people emotional (Snider and Gaston), it’s something to discuss.

    • +1 to the prospect ranking.

      I think that there several examples of prospects not developing according to their rankings.

      What is baffling is the Jays mishandled such a valuable asset.

      The Jays preach patience with prospects. Do whatever it takes to get more picks, yet botch the biggest hitting prospect in the franchise.

      Even more shocking was that AA was involved in the yo yo ing of the asset & pressured him to sign a lowball long term contract before the season began.

      Travis seems to be a fragile player & thought he would get 6 months of at bats to prove himself.

      AA lied to him , so he got sent down again in 2011.

      Ironically if he would have signed the contract , AA would have kept him in the lineup because he would be payed above the minimum league salary.

      LF would have been fixed by now.

      • “Even more shocking was that AA was involved in the yo yo ing of the asset & pressured him to sign a lowball long term contract before the season began.”

        On what are you basing that AA pressured Snider to sign a lowball contract extension?

        Travis did not sign an extension…does that mean AA didn’t do a good job pressuring him?

        “AA lied to him , so he got sent down again in 2011.”

        Or, you know, maybe AA didn’t lie to Travis and Travis simply misinterpreted the message. Which seems plausible since there were a number of communication issues through the first two parts of this triology.

        • Snider felt pressured to sign because AA was talking to him directly. Snider thought negotiations were done through his agent.

          Snider thought the contract extension offer would give him 6 months in 2011 to prove hmself. Insted the Jays wasted 2011 on Rivera,Davis, Thames etc…

    • Yep, most prospects bust – even most GOOD prospects bust.

      A three-part series on Travis Snider is a wee bit over the top, especially since he’s been awful since we traded him away.

      And I especially love the “Travis Snider was a top prospect who ended up being traded away for a reliever!” take on this, when you could probably more accurately phrase it as “Brad Lincoln was a top prospect who ended up being traded away for a AAAA player with no options left!!”

      • Fair point. Lincoln was drafted higher than snider.

        However jays need a lf more than another middle reliever.

        Snider would outproduce Davis or Thames this year.

  32. gimme a break on this malarkay.

    snider was never that good, and wasn’t going to be. if he couldn’t sort his way through the pain and suffering of a ‘pre-bat’ chat, then jeezuz. wrong business bud.

    and Cito did a lot more with the team in the 2 years he came back than what was going on just prior and now afterwards. this team right now needs a kick in the ass and some hard-ass style coaching.

    maybe you cito hatin’ bloggers wanna field this ol’ question: how long do you think hot headers like lawrie would get away with mis-reads on the basepaths and otherwise?

    cito would have had that shit sorted in 2 seconds.

    • yup, and they’d probably be contending for the wild card at least.

    • OK, but didn’t Cito refuse to move batting orders when Rios & Wells were slumping in 2009?

      Didn’t he let a vet like Millar bat cleanup?

      Farrell is more flexible with batting orders & is getting better with the bullpen.

      Cito did not emphasize baserunning.

      Farrell has them running into outs.

      • why would you move Rios or Wells?
        If they are slumping, the best thing for them is more at bats to work on getting out of the slump. Or do you bench your best players? Does that help your team? Cito’s was going to do what Cito does…you don’t ask a butcher to bake your cakes do you?
        As for Millar, 13 games at cleanup in 09….big whoop.
        Two rings. 4 first place finishes in 5 years.

      • After Wells and Rios had great 2008s, he stuck with them in 2009 for…….two months. In June he started to mix it up, and by the end of June Hill and Lind were fixtures in the 3/4 holes instead….to great success.

  33. Travis Snider seems like a nice guy. I was always on Team Snider over Team Thames based on the fact that Snider had star potential according to baseball people.

    However, I’m glad that part two of this series illustrates that Cito/Farrell/AA/JP/Godfrey/Beeston were not Travis’ biggest problem.

    A paragraph like this makes zero sense:

    “I’d have to admit that in a way it perhaps casts Cito Gaston and Gene Tenace in a more favourable light, simply because you almost get the feeling here that no one could have reasonably been expected to keep Snider’s thoughts from getting the better of him. Though, surely, the player was done no favours by having been fucked with so badly, or by the useless manager abdicating responsibility for an impressionable, young, wildly talentet player– a serious asset with still boundless trade value– by washing his hands of him and demanding that he succeed with one, entirely unfamiliar approach, or he was on his own”

    Fine, you don’t like Cito. We get that. But a few lines prior you write “(Snider) certainly seems to be the common denominator in a number of communication breakdowns with a number of different people”.

    Perhaps it was Snider that felt Cito had washed his hands clean of him even if it didn’t actually happen. Perhaps you would be siding with Cito if Shi Davidi had conducted a 90 minute interview with him instead of with Snider.

    Probably not because you like Snider and dislike Cito; hence, the understatement in the criticism of Snider and hyperbole in the criticism of Cito, based on things you can’t possibly know.

    I wonder if Brandon Wood and Andy Laroche had 3 part miniseries written about them after failing with their original clubs and ending up in Pittsburgh.

    Prospects fail with alarming regularity. Can’t miss prospects miss all the time as well.

    Somehow because Snider was on our team and our one hope during the dark years of Blue Jay prospect porn we feel more comfortable blaming everyone else instead of looking at the fact that most prospects fail.

  34. Love my job, since I’ve been bringing in $82h… I sit at home, music playing while I work in front of my new iMac that I got now that I’m making it online… http://Pink44.com

  35. I’m surprised nobody has brought up the fact that this all playing out on Sportsnet.

  36. I must say, a bunch of people come off poorly through the first 2 instalments of this, and while they’re good articles, Davidi is clearly writing them with a pro-Snider slant to them.

    • I wouldn’t say that. The articles are focusing on Snider as they’re based on a 90 minute interview with him. Presumably Davidi went to Cito, AA et al after the interview to get their interpretation.

      Personally, I find it an enjoyable interview thus far, though it doesn’t really change my perception of what went down, who is to blame etc.

  37. Man the bias in your post is a bit too high, you always manage to twist the argument pro-snider even using some techniques you usually shit on.

  38. After reading the first two segments of Shi’s season ending filler, I am soooooooooo glad that AA traded Travis this year. Like seriously, if your coaches are finding a problem with your swing, then you bloody well do something about it. Its not like they are saying it because they hate you or have something against you. Fuck its their job to make evaluations for the betterment of the team. Five year old kids in little league don’t understand that, but it should be a given by the time you reach the MLB. And for another fucking thing, if you don’t understand what the fuck they are talking about, ask them to show you or have a meeting or some fucking shit, don’t get pissy about it.

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