Mentoring 101…

Oh, the ironing is delicious. After shooting his mouth off to the Toronto Sun about the lack of accountability inside the Jays clubhouse– which we covered earlier today– Omar Vizquel was held accountable for his actions. The Jays held a closed-door meeting during which, according to a tweet from Shi Davidi, was about Vizquel’s “comments regarding accountability in Jays clubhouse. He apologized to coaches and team.”

Davidi adds a two more tweets:

So… that’s pretty much all awesome. Oh yeah? You’re going to try to save your own skin after the Escobar stuff and try to coast out of town on your bizarrely-earned reputation and longevity? Well, Omar, I think perhaps it’s time we made it crystal clear that we DO have accountability in this clubhouse, and guess who just walked right fucking into that one?

I know, I know, I tried to make clear earlier today that it’s as bad on one side to dismiss these concerns as it is to swallow Vizquel’s self-serving tripe whole hog, but I’m sorry, it really is just too rich for me to take seriously, especially now that the Jays have made so clear that they’re not buying what Vizquel is selling– and also, in light of the conveniently ill-remembered fact that last year’s narrative was that the intimidating Farrell would have supposedly never allowed Boston’s chicken and beer brigade on his watch. So… which is it, people constructing a narrative from the crumbs in their ass in the desperate need to point fingers in the wake of a disastrous season?

And, I’m not going to lie, it doesn’t help that Gregg Zaun– who would like you to support his golf tournament in support of Right To Play, just as long as you’re really, really clear that HE HIMSELF, GREGG ZAUN, IS NOT GAY– is fully on board the defence of Vizquel, and not at all for his own entirely self-serving reasons, right?

But you know what? Zaun actually offers some insight on this– for example, he tweets that “veteran leaders have to be everyday players in order to garner respect”– and I’m reluctant to entirely throw the baby out with the bathwater, as there are definite questions about what’s happened here with Vizquel, including– at the very least– how the front office seems to have got it so wrong on either him or Farrell.

It’s just… as much as people want to believe Vizquel and Zaun simply for who they are, neither has a hell of a lot of credibility on the issue, as far as I’m concerned. Vizquel bitched publicly more than once about his role on the team this season, kinda has a history of shit like this, and has all the reason in the world to want to distance himself and his ambitions as a leader from the Escobar situation. Zaun seems to crave the attention, cashes easy points for being a kind of clubhouse insider even though he hasn’t actually played here since 2008, and must be absolutely loving how directly this new narrative ties into his one-man drumbeat for a more old school approach.

So… I’m skeptical– probably more than that. But I’ll own up to the fact that it’s partly because they’re saying things I don’t particularly want to hear. It’s just… give me more before I can really believe it. Give me statements from guys who don’t have the same kind of agendas. Give me statements that aren’t so contravened by the acts of discpline we’ve actually seen– first for Escobar, now for Vizquel. I’m not saying it can’t be true, just give me more.

TV: Sportsnet

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Toronto Blue Jays

B. Lawrie 3B
C. Rasmus CF
E. Encarnacion DH
J. Arencibia C
A. Lind 1B
Y. Escobar SS
K. Johnson 2B
R. Davis RF
A. Gose LF

C. Jenkins RHP

New York Yankees

D. Jeter SS
I. Suzuki RF
A. Rodriguez 3B
R. Cano 2B
N. Swisher 1B
C. Granderson CF
R. Ibanez LF
R. Martin C
E. Chavez DH

H. Kuroda RHP


Image of Omar Vizquel’s in-dugout handiwork during June’s Marlins series via @whatadewitt.

Comments (375)

  1. Should be a ‘y’ in there somewhere…

  2. Looking back on this season its is just amazing the BJ’s arn’t last….starting pitching was ugly (congrats to Alcatraz for going wire to wire), LF cluster fuck, CF consistantly inconsistant, whats the name of that guy who started as our RF?, 1st base – gee wonder what Adam will look like again next year?, 2nd – thank god he’s leaving, 3rd – paging nurse karen, nice finish at SS by Yunnel, Catcher – welcome back JPA too bad your trade bait in the offseason….fuck, what a team!

  3. Someone should punch Jeter the other way.

  4. delabar fucking around here -we need a K!

  5. Why did Farrel take out Alvarez after only 87 pitches?

  6. Wouldn’t it be nice if the Yanks continue this swoon and then lose thw wild card. And then stories come out about ARod, Jeter, Swisher and Cameron Diaz eating chicken and beer in the clubhouse during the season. And then Cashmen admits to another 5 mistresses that are all stalking him, and then the players sell out Giardi and tell the media he pops painkillers with his Rice Krispies in the morning. And then the team implodes into an island of cannibals and eats itself over the next season and a half. Wouldn’t that be nice. WELL WOULDN’T IT? Wouldn’t it? …….

  7. Lind badly positioned there? Closer to the line better??

  8. This is that championship calibre bullpen in action.

  9. this championship calibre bullpen just gave up 4 runs.

    just when I think farrell saved his job

  10. …and all of a sudden, late in the game, the blood flow reversed course, and started flowing into my head once again. Pity.

  11. J-Fra, doing what he needs to do to maximize possibility of allowing another grand slam.

  12. Frasor’s really cementing down next year’s (un)employment, isn’t he?

  13. Funny how the hypocrite Wilner reacted to the so called ‘mutiny’ under Cito and how he is reacting to Farrell.

    • Farrell hasn’t got Wilner suspended yet.
      Wilner thought he could bash a manager in his final year , so he was a lame duck.

      Wilner knows where his bread is buttered.

  14. is Jacoby Ellsbury really some scary talent? His last 50 games: .715 OPS with a .323 OBP, 3 HRs

  15. JP(Just Past) Arenchibia has another steller defensive game today . Can we ship him to the Mets alrady for Ike Davis.

  16. Stop playing with my heart.

  17. If the season ended today, Boston would be picking ahead of the Jays in every round of the 2013 draft by virtue of finishing 1 LOUSY game behind. C’mon dudes! Someone stub a toe or tear a hangnail!!

    • that’s what is so annoying – starting the full tank job 2 months ago, when everything was obviously lost should have been the full priority 4 more losses would have the Jays picking 4th overall – FOUR LOUSY WINS they should have turned into Ls

    • We play 3 against Minnesota, while Boston has to play 3 against NYY. I’m not all that hopeful. What we really have to do is stay ahead of the Royals, who finish with 3 against Detroit!

      • no shit – would it be TOO obvious if Mathis is the starting pitcher on Monday and Gose on Tuesday??

        Obviously EE being pulled is the cover for him not playing Monday or Tuesday (maybe he goes in Wednesday to wave bye to 2012)

        • Gose’s arm is too good–McCoy is the ticket.

          • Mighty Mike’s pitching is nothing to scoff at. A career ERA of 0.00, and repertoire that includes a mighty fastball topping out at 86 mph, a changeup, a curveball, and a knuckleball at low 60′s to mid 70′s. He’s a true man’s man.

          • Agreed–he has just enough to lose gracefully. A true 4A man among men.

  18. Man, I feel for TSnide – 3 hits in the last 2 weeks – all singles. 5 hits total in the month of September – again, all singles. Well, at least there was The Catch.

  19. Cant help but agree. If we weren’t in the race. Again. We may as well have tanked for decent draft picks.

  20. Even twitter is quiet these days, season is ending with a whimper

  21. Frasor cemented his status in fukstik nation-he is truly horrible and he is finished here. It;s hard to believe at the b.o.y. we had him Fukin Cordero, and various other pos like Beck, Carreno, Coello, Chavez, interchanging parts for the better part of 2 months. I truly hope it gets better and I would sign Lyon over Frasor anyday. Getting a healthy Santos back should help.Oh…and say goodbye to the useless tool Johnson to boot

  22. Boston even tanks better than we do.

    Orioles fans are probably pissed at us right now for blowing that 5-1 lead.

    • That is right. Jays losing to the Yankees is our way of saying, FUCK YOU to all of Oriole Nation.

      • Once I had mountains in the palm of my hand
        And rivers that ran through ev’ry day
        I must have been mad
        I never knew what I had
        Until I threw it all away
        Until I threw it all away.

  23. I need to get sctupped. THE JAYS have done that to me all year

  24. No Q that they suck well. Unfotunately, in baseball this is a quality not normally acknowledeged as exemplary

  25. If your travelling in the north country far…
    Stop on by and take 3 of 4.

    • Well, if you go when the snowflakes storm
      When the rivers freeze and summer ends

      …end of season blues…

  26. Seen on Sosh and I think would be great, back to AL East and West. have 4 wild card teams with the 2 WC series be 2 out of 3. Eliminates the uncomfortable 1 game resolution after 6 months, and could balance out the schedule which continues to get stupider

  27. This team and its shenanigans has become a bastardized version of the view.

  28. Take this for what it is (I saw it in an RT from Baseball America’s Ben Badler):

    RT @Jen_Royle: Source: The Jays are willing to let Farrell go Boston as long as they’re compensated due to friction btwn JF and GM Alex Anthopoulos

    God I hope this is resolved on way or the other early in the off season.

    • Standing next to me in this lonely crowd
      Is a man who swears he’s not to blame
      All day long I hear him shout so loud
      Crying out that he was framed
      I see (his) light come shining
      From the west unto the east
      Any day now, any day now
      (He) shall be released.

      (for Rubby De La Rosa)

    • Still I wish there was somethin’ you would do or say
      To try and make me change my mind and stay
      We never did too much talkin’ anyway
      So don’t think twice, it’s all right.

      • When the rooster crows at the crack of dawn
        Look at this post and Spud will carry on
        They never made sense anyhow
        Don’t respond its alright

        • That’s blasphemy you blackguard! Hang your head and plead for forgiveness from His Bobness!

          • Some say that when you run out of people to punch you can kick a dog. Being a dog lover, I’ve always found this repugnant, but in just this one case, I’m willing to make an exception!

    • I think there’s a pretty good team in here somewhere. They looked good before all the injuries.

      But even so… after these last two months… I actually don’t think that firing Farrell would really be all that bad a move. No idea what he’s like in the lockerroom, but I’m not terribly impressed by his tactical moves.

  29. What the fuck is going on?

    • Something is happening here
      But you don’t know what it is
      Do you, Mr. Fukstick?

      • AHHH, I see you are a fan of CSNY, mr potatoes-good one . Yeah I stll don’t know WTF with these guys.
        Boy, these last 3 with Minny will be breathtaking

  30. I went to a baseball blog and a concert broke out.

  31. Not Jays related, but I heard about Trout hitting his 30th homer, and stealing his 48th bag, so I had to check out his FanGraphs page.

    9.8 fWAR!!!1!1!?!? Fucking insanity.

  32. why the hell does farrell keep running frasor out there? he’s basically put 2 recent games ‘out of reach’ all on his own. i have always hated him. newspapers quote him like he’s a veteran with something worthwhile to say. who would ever listen to this guy. his results absolutely stink. he must be completely out of touch with a head full of excuses for each and every time he shits the bed. he adds 40 minutes to a game, makes it completely boring, and finds new ways to make a mess each time. get rid of him!

    • couldn’t agree more-they made the right move by dumping on the chisox-the wrong move by bringing him back at3.5m! what a farce. Him and KJ together ( ok maybe I have to throw in LInd) are worth about a gallon of gas

  33. Isn’t Frasor the Blue Jays pitcher with the most all-time appearances with the club?

    • and lately that is all it is, an “appearance”.
      Yeah well I can make an appearance too. What I want is a “disappearance” of the fukstiks Frasor,Johnson and LInd for starters. Drabek has taken care of himself for next year for if we refine the team you’ll never see him pitch for the BJ’s again

      • Frasor is the least of the worries as you can just forget about him. Its the rotation that needs a boost.

        • +1 Frasor has been good for the Jays over his career. He is not the problem. Would I want him back next year? Who the fuck cares.

          The Jays need two proven AL starters to bolster the rotation.

  34. AT LEAST TWO and not peripheral shit either. I’m thibkibg along the lines of Peavy whose 22m option is being declined by the chisox and someone like J.Johnson who will be a little cheaper after a mediocre year.
    If Romero continues his evolution into a LT fukstik like VW did , then we need a 3rd quality arm because nono of Laffey, CV et al are the answer

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