Well here’s a welcome distraction: while we were in the studio recording a podcast you’ll see posted shortly (perhaps below this post, if rumours continue to come as the afternoon moves into evening– or, actually, you can just check it at Getting Blanked) all sorts of Dickey stuff started heating up, with the Jays the main grist in the rumour mill.
To wit:
10:20 PM ET
OK, one more update before I hit the road, as Jon Heyman checks in with the latest from CBS Sports. Money quote(s):
Word is, the sides are hoping to finish the trade soon, but no announcement was expected Friday.
While several other teams had been interested in Dickey, the Mets have focused all their attention on the Blue Jays, cutting off their discussions with other teams, sources tell CBSSports.com.
There are suggestions the Blue Jays may have relented to include top prospect, catcher Travis d’Arnaud. The Blue Jays preferred to include J.P. Arencibia, but the Mets have held steady in their demand of d’Arnaud, 23.
He later adds that “the two teams have also discussed center fielder Anthony Gose, who played in 56 games for Toronto in 2012.”
I don’t think he’s making the suggestion it could be both d’Arnaud and Gose, but it’s certainly going to be a hefty cost. I could deal with either of the two main scenarios being rumoured, however, because it’s just so rarely that this franchise has the potential to add Cy Young-level talent to its rotation, and with the other “all-in” moves they’ve made for 2013, and the reported financial demands from Dickey– which seem eminently fair– the addition of a three to five win pitcher would really go a long way towards starting to potentially separate the Jays from the AL East pack… at least on paper.
9:45 PM ET
Yeah… so I think that’s about it for hovering over the computer for me for one day. Unless something actually happens. You can trust that I’ll be monitoring my phone ceaselessly, much to the annoyance of all those around me.
Let’s not forget that the John Farrell trade broke later than this on a Saturday night back in October, so… maybe it’s not over, though it’s been awfully quiet for nearly two hours now. I’m sure the madness will start back up again tomorrow.
8:35 PM ET
Martino adds this, which is obviously a positive sign:
Want to repeat 1 thing reported earlier, because important here. 2 people involved in this tell me Dickey will do extension w TOR if traded
— Andy Martino (@MartinoNYDN) December 15, 2012
8:09 PM ET
So it seems we’ve hit the “worse before it gets better” stage. One hopes.
Person involved in situation says “gut feeling” D’Arnaud in deal, but like @jonheymancbs want to stress that’s unconfirmed. — Andy Martino (@MartinoNYDN) December 15, 2012
Looks like the #BlueJays might be caving as @jonheymancbs is reporting that d’Arnaud is at least now in play. #Mets — John Perrotto (@jperrotto) December 15, 2012
I’d be surprised if Anthopoulos and the Jays went this far, but… maybe they would. And while lots of people seem to believe that including d’Arnaud would mean the deal has to be expanded, I just don’t know. Look at what it took to get James Shields.
The Jays, we’ve heard this winter, moved a lot of guys who’d been looking at the minors into their pro scouting ranks last summer, in anticipation that they’d be trading more for established players than prospects in the future, so if they’re truly paying this much of a price for Dickey, they’ve got to think he’s worth it… for whatever that’s worth.
8:03 PM ET
Aaaaand so maybe I won’t be.
travis d’arnaud was heavily discussed w/ toronto as well as arencibia. hearing #mets may be landing d’arnaud. unconfirmed — Jon Heyman (@JonHeymanCBS) December 15, 2012
7:52 PM ET
This doesn’t mean we won’t get a leaked answer, but…
Doesn’t sound like there will be an official resolution to the Dickey talks tonight but a deal could be struck as early as Sat. #BlueJays — Gregor Chisholm (@gregorMLB) December 15, 2012
So… I may be off to the bar soon, then.
7:22 PM ET
He follows this one by saying they’d give up Arencibia.
Am told #BlueJays will not give up Travis d’Arnaud in any trade with #Mets for R.A. Dickey. — John Perrotto (@jperrotto) December 15, 2012
And then this, in response to a question about why things seem to have changed:
@shaneleavitt Thinks contract talks have stalled and both sides feel it’s time to move on.
— John Perrotto (@jperrotto) December 15, 2012
7:14 PM ET
So… there’s this…
So there you go. Texas,Baltimore and Toronto were the 3 teams mets eyeing yesterday. Now only Toronto left, barring a mystery team
— Andy Martino (@MartinoNYDN) December 15, 2012
7:03 PM ET
Andy Martino strikes more fear into me as he lays this on us:
Per sources, D’arnaud was a “must have” during winter mtgs for deal w TOR to happen. Unclear whether its Mets or jays who will blink on that
— Andy Martino (@MartinoNYDN) December 14, 2012
If the Jays were going to do that, I don’t know why it wouldn’t have been done already, so that’s at least comforting. But in other ways, it maybe makes more sense than JP Arencibia being a major trade chip.
6:40 PM ET
It’s delicious, by the way. Also, Heyman has this:
2 rival execs agree with dickey that he wasn’t asking too much requesting $26M over 2 years. would think jays feel same
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeymanCBS) December 14, 2012
Oh yeah, and I’ve flipped the post around so the newest updates are now at the top. You’re welcome– and speaking of “you’re welcomes” I’d like to extend an offer to the Jays to offer me one in the form of getting this damn deal done and over with so I don’t have to stare Twitter for the next two days. Is that so much to ask?
Thanks in advance.
5:40 PM ET
More big time non-news news from Morosi:
Blue Jays and Mets have made progress on the Dickey trade, sources say. No agreement yet.
— Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) December 14, 2012
5:55 PM ET
More from More-osi, who lays these two tweets on us:
On Dickey: His asking price for extension has been well-known for some time. Jays probably know if they are prepared to go there.
— Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) December 14, 2012
Also: Makes sense for Jays to seek another starter. Could need Happ to pitch in relief if Oliver retires.
— Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) December 14, 2012
Also… I’m going for a burrito.
5:22 PM ET
The Rangers are indeed out, but that doesn’t mean that the Angels or Orioles might not be involved. Or another team. We really know very little at the moment!
Jon Daniels just told us if Dickey is traded it’s not to the Rangers…although they did have conversations with them but not OLT & Buckel
— JIM BOWDEN (@JimBowdenESPNxm) December 14, 2012
A few folks out there– Dave Cameron, for example, or Jonah Keri and Ben Badler– seem to be of the mind that JP Arencibia isn’t very valuable, just because, y’know, he can only hit for power and doesn’t play great defence– to which I say… pffft! (Also: quiet!!)
5:06 PM ET
And Morosi brings the high heat:
#BlueJays growing confident they will acquire RA Dickey, source says.
— Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) December 14, 2012
5:12 PM ET
Shi Davidi makes a good point– but a point that goes to my belief about the stealthiness thing being a myth: there are two sides from which the particulars of a deal can leak.
If #BlueJays are indeed closing in on RA Dickey, can only imagine how much AA hates end playing out publicly. Espy if it falls through
— Shi Davidi (@ShiDavidi) December 14, 2012
Hey, JP Ricciardi like talking, right? And he drafted a whole lot of the guys in the Jays’ system, too!
5:03 PM ET
Welp, Kenny Ken Ken quashes that one pretty quick…
Source: #Rangers no longer involved in Dickey talks. And did not offer Olt and Buckel to #Mets.
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) December 14, 2012
But Kenny Ken Ken Davidoff of the New York Post seems
#BlueJays entered the day believing that Dickey could be theirs in 24-48 hours. #Mets
— Ken Davidoff (@KenDavidoff) December 14, 2012
Martino adds in one of those weird extendo-tweet things that Buckel wasn’t offered– his mistake– but the Mets wanted him, and the larger point is the Rangers are out.
4:41 PM ET
So… here’s some idea of the package it might take. Olt and d’Arnaud are comparable as prospects on a lot of lists, which is a frightening thought. It’s going to take a lot, is the bottom line…
Really believe Toronto is strong frontrunner, but can report Texas has indicated will trade Olt and RHP Cody Buckel for Dickey.
— Andy Martino (@MartinoNYDN) December 14, 2012
4:30 PM ET
Aaaand Jim Bowden lays this slice of intrigue on us. Could be a long night here, or could be that– as we’ve seen before– spitballing has snowballed into something a lot more concrete-seeming than the reality.
Bo McKinnis agent for RADickey just told me that he is not working on an extension w BlueJays or anyone else that would be holding up a deal
— JIM BOWDEN (@JimBowdenESPNxm) December 14, 2012
Bo McKinnis agent for R.A. Dickey at 4:22 pm est:”No one has asked us to consider an extension with any club”
— JIM BOWDEN (@JimBowdenESPNxm) December 14, 2012
So… maybe it’s nothing. And if that turns out to be the case, please keep in mind that it does not mean that any time the Jays’ name is out there it’s a false rumour– that myth seriously needs to go away.
4:18 PM ET
I’ve been talking myself to believing in Gose lately– partly out of a fear of Rasmus, frankly– but with Bonifacio a capable cover for centre, and the Jays looking to win now, it makes sense… if there’s an extension. Heyman thinks it makes sense…
Arencibia and gose were mentioned in dickey trade talk. Would be realistic package if that’s it. #jays #mets
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeymanCBS) December 14, 2012
And in the New York Daily News, Andy Martino has filed a story saying basically the same things we’ve seen via Twitter– expanded slightly to include the fact that: “Although it may be too soon to say that Dickey is definitely headed out of town, sources say the pitcher and team have not negotiated since Wednesday and that GM Sandy Alderson has been involved in intense trade discussions on Thursday and Friday.”
4:07 PM ET
More from Heyman, which… if Sherman is right about Dickey not wanting to extend here, I just don’t see how a deal gets done. But it’s sound as if something could genuinely be close– like, the deal is agreed on with the Mets, and it’s pending the extension. Just reading between the lines, of course…
#mets believed to have trade they like for dickey. @joelsherman1 speculates may be waiting on RA extension talk w/other team — Jon Heyman (@JonHeymanCBS) December 14, 2012
#orioles didn’t seem in on Dickey talks this morn and #Rangers seemed lagging. #bluejays appear destination if contract hurdle solved #Mets — Joel Sherman (@Joelsherman1) December 14, 2012
3:54 PM ET
And now this:
Orioles and rangers don’t seem in middle of dickey talks at moment. As said, blue jays are frontrunners
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeymanCBS) December 14, 2012
The Angels could still be a player, of course, and I have no idea how this concept of there being a “leader” or a “frontrunner” is supposed to work– are they throwing dice for the right to make the deal?– but that’s where we’re at.
3:40 PM ET
Here’s the latest:
The Mets are making progress toward a trade of Cy Young winner R.A. Dickey. TOR has been seen as a strong possible fit all along.
— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) December 14, 2012
Signs point to #bluejays leading in dickey chase. Have the prospects to get it done.
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeymanCBS) December 14, 2012
Blue jays want to keep d’arnaud but have arencibia and others. Also have OFs. Trade seems like strong possibility.
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeymanCBS) December 14, 2012
Uh… but then there’s this:
Heard Dickey will not do extension with #bluejays which could be what is slowing talks with Tor #Mets
— Joel Sherman (@Joelsherman1) December 14, 2012
So… fuck this, then? I’m thinking fuck this. I mean, how’s there value in that? It would be a serious gamble to give up the prospects it sounds like the Mets would require if you’re only getting a year out of Dickey– plus the hope that he changes his tune.
Still developing, of course.
Original information:
Talked to at least half-dozen execs today, all think #Mets will trade Dickey. All cautioned no inside info, but many said watch #Bluejays
— Joel Sherman (@Joelsherman1) December 14, 2012
#bluejays #angels, 2 biggest under-the-radar clubs in mlb, are among teams thought interested in dickey. Trade buzz up.
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeymanCBS) December 14, 2012
Sources: Intense trade talks yesterday regarding Dickey, with Texas, Toronto and, hey now, Baltimore being serious players.
— Andy Martino (@MartinoNYDN) December 14, 2012
#bluejays are in mix for dickey. They have young OFs and catchers
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeymanCBS) December 14, 2012
Some people I talk to are indicating Toronto more likely than Texas or Baltimore for Dickey. I do not think any deal is done.
— Andy Martino (@MartinoNYDN) December 14, 2012
Hearing Mets very active talking about Dickey trade today. We know Blufe Jays interested. Other teams, too
— DKnobler (@DKnobler) December 14, 2012
Uh… see what I mean?
Now, obviously there are other suitors involved here, and a hefty price to be paid, but there have been a lot of possible clues all along: the Mets’ needs, the Jays’ surpluses, the stuff about the Mets having an acceptable offer out there that they were trying to do better than. Could JP Arencibia (and obviously more) be on the table, just waiting for the Mets to accept? I hope so… as long as the more isn’t Anthony Gose.
Image via Lob Shots.
interesting…yet I can’t help but thinking it is just 100 people passing on the speculation of one person; you know, cause that’s how twitter seems to work.
Stoeten, you have been on top of this all day. Fantastic job. Don’t leave now. Drink and write, drink and write.
No! No! No!
Why would anyone be so emphatically against this?
Unless they are giving up TDA and Gose, not sure how I could be upset… okay, any of the 3 Lansing pitchers would piss me off, too
2 Lansing pitchers. I’d be okay w/ Gose going, but not TDA. Preferably w/ a Dickey extension in tow.
3. Osuna was there too. I thought of it as a 4-some when Nicolino was still a Jay
2. Osuna has not pitched an inning of baseball in Lansing.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/r-a-dickey-and-the-myth-of-one-great-year/
AA do the deal!
agreed! why waste our fucking players on fucking RA fucking Dickey! i saw a scenario where the jays trade adam lind and some other players for mark trumbo, why not do that instead? oh yeah and sign edwin jackson too…
Welcome, Floyd, but I think you might be lost.
This isn’t the Toronto Sun comments section.
i saw it on bleacher report btw
Bleacher Report. More reliable than reality…
If you saw it on Bleacher Report, thats shits LEGIT. come on man…
br also picked John Farrell to be manager of the year..
If the Angels trade Trumbo for Adam Lind….well, lets face it, that is just retarded talk. That will never ever happen.
lind n some other shit like propsects i suppose
Lind for Vernon Wells haha
Vernon Wells for Mike Napoli.
Wow Floyd…Bleacher Report? Really???????? Who in the fuck wants Trumbo anyway?
And I saw a scenario where Barry Bonds comes out of retirement with a BALCO designed time machine that takes him back to 2001 for as many years as he wants and only will play for Toronto. But then I stopped smoking peyote.
Solidarity, Jim in Ohio.
Do these guys actually know anything or is this still just speculation because it makes logical sense that this COULD happen?
PLEASE DONT!! HE CANT HANDLE THE AL EAST
You’re kidding right?
i bet he cant
The AL East is tough, but to suggest his results wouldn’t translate across at all is crazy, even a decent regression from last year and we are still looking at an incredible pitching staff
Says who? the guy was lights out all year, Wakefield had a pretty good career in the AL East didn’t he?
BUT without giving up d’Arnaud and/or Gose, syndergaard or sanchez….I say get it done
WAKEFIELD WAS A CAREER 5ERA ALMOST… that is not someone who will put a team over the top to win a World Series, Picking up Sanchez with a 5 year deal is way smarter WAY smarter…. I wouldn’t even put Dickey in the top 2 on Toronto, no point in giving up valuable assets for a 38 year old
Tim Wakefield and Dickey are two, very different pitchers. I don’t remember Wakefield ever winning a Cy Young Award.
Tim Wakefield played in the AL East for like 16+ years and still only had 2 great seasons. The rest were 4+ ERA years which really isn’t very good. Dickey is already 38…. unless you’re getting him cheap I don’t see how it’s a good trade, especially since they’re reporting that Dickey doesn’t want to sign an extension. I would do Arencibia + Gose + maybe a little more (the trade that has been rumoured so far) because at the end of the day he has been very good the last 3 seasons and just on the Cy Young but only if he’d sign an extension.
you sounded like you knew what you were talking about until you said you would do arencibia plus GOSE and a little more……. GOSE straight up is way too much!! WAYYY TO MUCH, Gose is a potential Superstar………….. for the record Wakefields career ERA was 4.41 and he was 200-180 in a almost 20 year career!! dickey is 38 and a whopping 61-56…. this is bad news… go after Sanchez
I don’t see how Gose is a potential superstar. His bat is not good enough. He hasn’t even done much in the PCL which we all know is extremely hitter friendly. He will be a major league player because of his speed and defense but is that really that hard to find? I might be a pessimist but I just really don’t see his bat improving.
Using Wakefield’s numbers to say Dickey isn’t worth it makes no sense, they aren’t the same pitcher just because they both throw knuckleballs…
Brian that’s like saying Josh Johnson won’t have success in the al east because plenty of other fastball-slider guys have failed. R.A. dickey and Wakefield are not the same pitcher, it’s tempting to compare them because theres so few knuckle ballers in the modern game but its apples and oranges.
jon your a fucking fool to say you wouldnt give away that much for him THEN say you’d do JPA + Gose +++.
stop typing and start reading.
R.A. vs AL East opponents 2010-2012:
BAL 7IP 1ER 8Ks
NYY 6IP 1ER 6Ks
NYY 5IP 1ER 3Ks
TBR 9IP 0ER 12Ks (1H)
BAL 9IP 0ER 13Ks (1H)
NYY 6IP 5ER 3Ks
TOTAL 42IP 8ER 45Ks
Huge sample sizes there
42 innings isn’t nothing. Though I have to contest that those would have been the first time any of the clubs would have seen him, that’s MUCH different than actually pitching in the division. Regardless, Dickey is a damned solid pitcher to say the least.
Correction 42 innings IS nothing. The utter definition of nothing.
Wouldnt ZERO innings be the utter definition of nothing? Or are we just making shit up again?
Because the NL east was a cake walk last season? You crazy.
Tim Wakefield might have something to add on that
AA is not dumb enough to deal d’Arnaud or Gose….right?
Darnaud is untouchable. Im sure gose can be had which many people including myself dont have a problem with.
No one should ever be untouchable. The price should be really really really high, but untouchable doesn’t make sense for any player.
Stanton may be untouchable right now because it is likely that no team has the prospect power to get the deal done, or for it to make sense for the marlins. A year from now however, the story is different.
i have a problem with parting with gose. just my 2 cents but gose will have the more fruitful career over darnaud.
guess will see…
no its going to be for arencibia plus very little else…. still not worth it
Props on your name.
Love that show.
Posted in the wrong place,
Props on the name to DJ(f) Roomba.
I wouldn’t be surprised, if something actually happens, that it’s not just Dickey that comes back our way. The outbound assets being tossed around (especially Gose) are too highly valued for a straight-up swap, Cy Young status notwithstanding.
I see more of a JPA + Nolin + DJ Davis for Dickey + Ike Davis type of deal.
Get rid of Nestor Moli…errrr…..I mean Nolin, while the prospect buzz is high.
Pretty sure that deal is way too lopsided for the Jays. You need to add more if you want Davis in addition.
Not saying that’s a realistic deal – I just think there are ways to skin the cat that don’t involve TDA, Gose, or the Big3. Just spitballin’.
Guys, for the 12th time they cannot trade DJ davis as hes has not been a BJ for 12 mos yet. Same goes for any guy they drafted LY incl Stroman Smoraql etc so stop that shit and learn the rules if you want to prospectgate.
Besides.. it is way too much for Dickey
He can be a Player to be Named Later (ptbnl). You have 6 months to execute a ptbnl order, which means as of december 5thish (draft is 6 months from now in June), BJ Davis could hypothetically be the PTBNL in this trade.
Can’t trade DJ Davis yet (other than as PTBNL)
The knobler!
Hard to think Gose wouldn’t be involved in a trade..
LOL you have no clue of Value…. nobody in their right mind would give a future superstar up for a 38 year old pitcher
No Brian, your the one who has no clue of value. If gose lit up the league when he was called up I would understand your enthusiasm. He has a high ceiling, eeryone fuckings knows that, but the odds of him reaching it are not high, contact is his weakness and it’s a skill that’s usually developed early on in a prospects development. Considering the Jays sit on the cusp of contention and the marginal value of 4 additional wins when they Jays are currently projected as a high 80′s win team, is pretty fucking huge, Gose + would be well worth Dickey who is pretty much a guarantee for 4 war per season. Also age becomes less relevant when you consider the special factors surrounding dickey such as: no UCL (no tommy john risk), low innings total thrown in his career, and the general peak age for knuckleballers is much higher.
LOL you have no clue either… it happens all the times in baseball. Elite Prospects for Elite players now, people just don’t give you this players for fun. Plus you can’t call Dickey a 38 year old pitcher in the traditional sense, I have to agree that it is very possible Gose is involved.
we need dis nigga on da team foreal
Block this idiot, please.
seriously agree. some people don’t belong here. It really is insulting
what do you mean “some people”???
Ha! Now THAT’S levity.
This made me giggle.
The f*ck are you guys so sensitive about? Untwist those pantyhose
Ya done know!
block me for what bro? you ever listen to rap? I mean shit its spoken every 5th word, i aint some white dude
Carry on, BLACKJAYSFAN…don’t mind the b*tches on here that sound like they’re on their period.
Please stop the misogyny. Thank you.
agreed. we don’t need Racist talk here. Either discuss a point of view related to baseball or take a long walk off a short pier
Racist talk because a black guy referred to a white guy as ‘dis nigga?’ LOL gimme a damn break. Most of us read DJF because it’s not a PG-rated blog. Don’t pull this racism crap unless something that’s actually racist is said.
Racism doesn’t actually have a rating, moron. Believe it or not, a great deal of misogyny and racism occur without swearing. (Amazing eh?)
Fuck, I hate it when the republicans wander in here trying to be funny. And when someone calls them on their ignorance, they say misogynist shit like “panties in a wad.” Go back to 1950, graduate high school, or get back in your trailer you dumb fucks. Keep it to baseball. You’re not fucking funny.
How do you know BLACKJAYSFANS is black. I’d bet there’s a good chance he’s not.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. I would peg him as a 12 year old boy who had a friend over and they are checking out blog sites to get people amped up.
First of all, who the fuck is being racist? And what you described, genius, is the exact opposite of my personality. I’m probably a lot further ahead in life than you, especially judging by your pathetic ranting over nothing. Your gf wants her panties back.
Funny thing is, the original post WAS about baseball…just not in the language many of you would use, does that make it really wrong? It’s a slang word, get over it. Doesn’t mean anyone was being racist. And this is coming from a mixed person. Stop being so fuckin’ sensitive, not everyone has to follow your vocabulary choice.
Thats offensive
You want offensive! How about your involvement in the U.S.’s dipshit plan to nuke the moon. Explain yourself sir!!!
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/11/26/how-the-u-s-and-carl-sagan-planned-to-nuke-the-moon/
made me laugh… Jays don’t really need him though
Yeah get over it you bunch of maricons
Thing is, the jays and mets match up great for a trade. Mets need a catcher and outfield help. Jays have depth in those areas. So it could be these ” execs” and writers speculating on the fact that these two teams in theory match up great for a trade.
This better not be a case of “Yu Balls” again
nope, that was a case of Yu Gullible
If JPA + Gose is too much & JPA + Sierra is not enough, is JPA, Sierra & Nolin just right for both sides?
This all feels similar to the Darvish stuff last year for me, and after a deal somewhere else is done, AA will say something along the lines of not being anywhere close, and just another example of blah blah blah.
This is of course because I don’t want to get to excited, I love the idea of Dickey in Toronto, knuckleballers are just fun, and it would make for a nice looking rotation this year.
Anyway, as long as it involves more posts, I’m into all the rumours haha
Last year, any leaks came from Japan or the Rangers FO. This year there’s a lot more cause you have the notoriously catty Mets FO involved. Remember, it takes two to tango.
That was my thought. I’ll believe when it happens… until then, I’ll just feverishly follow updates hoping to believe it.
Buster Olney just gave this legitimate legs, if it didn’t have them already. He doesn’t even mention any other suitors in his last tweet..
This would be fantastic!
Andy Rubin “were at the sensitive part of the Dickey”
So we are at the TIPping point then?
Would it be safe to assume we are aHEAD of all potential teams in the running for Dickey
I dunno.. why would we be so in on Dickey when it seems like the Jays weren’t even in talks with Anibal Sanchez? If we now have the cash we might as well not expend prospects.
I don’t mean to say Sanchez and Dickey are similar I’m just using him to try to gauge AA’s interest in picking up another SP.
Sanchez???
Uhhhhh…..how about the ridiculous dollars and cents for a #3 starter?
much has already been made about sanchez’s value. his peripherals point to something way better than a “#3 starter” (really? numbers?).
anyways Petetown, I think that’s a valid line of thought. prospect capital is important too.
The logic is flawed.
Just because AA isn’t chasing one overpriced FA SP doesn’t mean that there isn’t a need for one, or interest in others. That’s my point – it’s non-linear.
DICKEY IS A #3 on the JAYS…. how do you people not get this…. dickey played in one of the weakest hitting divisions in baseball… Johnson and Morrow and even Rickey are more valuable if he has a comeback season….. Sanchez as a 3 is WAYYYY better option
Who’s to say dickey isn’t a number 1 on the jays?? He just pitched 233 1/3 innings last year with a fantastic era and K%. We could certainly use that at the top of our rotation especially with injury concerns with both Johnson and morrow.
Why do the Jays need another mid to bottom starte for the rotationr? Let Detroit pay that bs for Sanchez. AA wants the goods.
DICKEY IS NOT THE GOOD>>.. everyone is blinded by 1 good season
except it’s been 3, but carry on
Dirty Sanchez just signed or about to for 16aav, where the Dickman by all accounts can be re-upped for 3/31 including current contract. I’m not math whiz or anything but…
The Jay’s are all in this season, no more sitting on the rail (brass that is) throwing in ones time to pony up and take her to the champagne room. They are finished with the ALL prospect porn!
Have a strange feeling the target is actually Niese and not Dickey.
Both, please.
They’re welcome to have Happ back.
So JPA and Gose is to much.
What if it was expanded to include Niese and Buehrle?
Also, “expand the deal” is my new favorite baseball cliche.
Given that the Mets can wait til trade deadline to deal him, I’m thinking AA must’ve upped his original bid.
With no pick coming with the mid season trade his value is significantly lower if the mets wait
Trade value on a 2-month rental is significantly lower than a full-year.
Their max trade return happens now, not in July.
Hey excellent point…hadnt thought of that. He has to be with the club for – what is it, a year or a season? – in order to bring a pick back in the next draft.
Well then if you want to contend then the new CBA rules say you have to decide that in the off season.
Too bad Jenkins and mcquire flopped so hard. They would have been nice trade chips to the mets with jpa
Jenkins has value.
As Jonah Keri said the other day the Jays currently project (in his view) for 85 wins. With Dickey they look more like a 90-win team. Those 5 wins mean the difference between being in or out of the playoffs.
Not at all…a team that won 90 games last year in the AL east would have had to squeak into the wildcard. Which is no guarantee of being in the real playoffs. Also projecting Dickey for a 5 win season is pretty optimistic.
I don’t know about those specific numbers, but the way in which an individual player contributes to a team win total isn’t just in virtue of being a “X win player.” If you add Dickey, not only do you improve your starting 5, but you also make you #6 starter better by pushing Happ into a depth role. You also improve your bullpen, etc.
Not just 5, but 5 more then who he replaces. That seems real optimistic, even when you consider the somewhat intangible bullpen effect a innings eat like Dickey would have.
They weren’t my numbers. Probably better to have written that 90 wins would make the last few weeks of the season a bit more relevant and exciting.
If a few things bounced the right way the Jays could win 90+ with the existing team but Keri’s point was that that closer you get to an 85- 90 win team the more valuable deals like this become.
Still chuckling over the idea that the Mets want a bigger package for their Dickey.
*sigh* can’t wait for a trade or extension to get done, so sick of hearing the same rumours over and over and the same trade proposals over and over. If it happens great, providing we don’t give up d’arnaud If not, we’re still in a position to add another pitcher mid-season if playoffs are a realistic possibility.
Tailor made new headline for you in this one Stoeten:
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/59411/cy-gone-source-predicts-dickey-trade-today
Dickey talks are apparently “at that sensitive spot”
I’d have to think one of TDA or Gose is involved, I hope not. There is a possibility neither are in, in my mind because you keep hearing Mets have had an acceptable offer for weeks but want a better package(Ken Rosenthal). Have to believe Mets would take Gose or TDA so if the acceptable offer is real and it’s the Jays maybe neither are involved.
JP drafted JP, maybe he’s sold Alderson on him and JP and others are enough to get it done assuming the Rangers don’t offer a better package.
Who would Baltimore give up certainly not BUndy, Machado, or Gausman, Maybe Matsuz or Arrieta, but you have to think Mets want C and OF more than SP.
For all we know the assets part of the deal is done and it’s negotiating window time.
Fingers crossed we won!
Hate to be a negative nelly (tas melas), but I feel AA is sitting reading these rumors and laughing. Could it happen? Sure! But remember when Toronto makes a trade we usually don’t hear about it until its done.
How fucking insightful
Did you even see the miami trade go down, it was leaked for hours. Just because the jays are tighter on their side doesn’t mean the mets are. Fucking riccardi works for them remember
Not to say it will definitely happen but big trades rarely come out of the blue
Even if we lose out on Dickey, rumors are that Mets would listen to Niese, Gee and Santana. If they pay ofr all of Santana might be worth a look.
I need a t-shirt that says BLUFE JAYS.
or Bluth Jays?
I know the whole ‘If it’s talked about beforehand, it won’t happen” aura around Anthopolous is often overstated… but uh, all this talk about it is making me skeptical about it happening anyway. =(
Joel Sherman just tweeted he’s hearing Dickey won’t sign an extension with the Jays, and that could be holding up a deal.
Ohhh boy, that’s silly. R.A. — do you like **LOTS OF GUARANTEED MONEY**? Because I do. And you should, too, Mr. 38-Year-Old-Knuckleballer-Coming-Off-A-Career-Year.
Dickey may just not like the idea of signing an extension in a 24 hour window. I guess we’ll see what kind of gamble AA is willing to take (or not take).
Can Darren Oliver (former teammate in Texas) or Brandon Morrow (former teammate in Seattle) just call the guy and be like, it’s cool in Toronto, come win some games with us for the next three years?
I thought John Buck was pour PR guy?
I’d think Dickey would take the money in an extension. Dickey could get his balls lit up in the AL East. Take the money.
Let’s stop talking about the New York Mets Dickey’s and start talkig about our AS………………………………………………………………HBY.
Fill that (rotation) hole with Dickey!
Fuck Dickey
The Knobler goes a Knoblin about the Blufe Jays!
Don’t get your hopes up nothing will happen
Something I tell women when my dickey enters the conversation.
Anyone want to take some guesses at what this deal might be if it happens?
Would they give up Darnaud or Gose?
JP + Gose if I was guessing
Gose, especially with Rasmus, Cabrera, Bautista and Davis. Gose will def be better than Davis, but you would never staple a 22yr old kid on a bench.
And even Bonifacio can handle CF, I guess… hm.
I’d still give up JPA (though nothing else of significance) for Dickey without an extension.
He could add $15 – $20 million in surplus value in ONE season, plus be eligible for a compensation pick.
Dickey not willing to extend (sorry) is huge (… again), especially considering his modest demands. He could still get a qualifying offer and net a draft pick but that is less ideal, at the time of the trade.
Remember, even if he doesn’t sign the Jays would probably tender him and would get a draft pick when he signs elsewhere. That would replace one of the two (or three) prospects going the other way.
except a prospect in AA-AAA is much more valuable than a suppl. pick.
No way do I ever, in any world give up Travis d’Arnaud if Dickey isn’t signing an extension.
Such a tease. I wish they’d just tell you when a trade happens and leave the hype out of it
The Mets want outfield and catcher help and they also apparently want a really good prospect and another good one. That sure sounds like an offer of Gose and A.J. Jimenez gets in done, doesn’t it?
This allows us to keep J.P. which seems like the likely scenario at this point and it gives the Mets their outfield and catcher help and gives them their really good prospect in Gose and their just plain good one in A.J.
I only trade Gose if we can get the extension though. Offer Dickey 2 years and $25M with a team option for a 3rd year for $13M with a $1M buyout. That gives him his $31M guaranteed over the next 3 years while giving us 4 years of control to lessen the blow of losing young cheap talent. A Michael Scott win win win.
Pretty sure Gose and a AA catcher coming off an injury isn’t enough.
There is zero point in giving up top prospects in exchange for 1 yr of Dickey and a compensatory draft pick. No extension, no deal.
This rumor will probably die as a consequence. Which begs the question: Wth is wrong with Dickey? Why would you not want to re-sign with a legit contender but want to re-sign with a perpetually mediocrity in the NY Mets?
I just don’t get it.
“not interested in extension” is agentspeak for squeezing out another couple million out of the deal, i think.
a) he likes where he is and if teams cannot get an extension, then the mets might be forced to give him one; b) he is using his leverage to secure some extra money; or c) he doesn’t want to move his family to Canada.
Also as a knuckleballer with no UCL, there’s um, negative-zero risk of an elbow injury and a smaller (relative) risk of any other kind of injury arm/shoulder injury. Sign the guy to a three year extension (four total)! Does that sweeten the pot? An extra season at $15 million? Total of 4/46 instead of 3/31?
Wilner is bringing out the If you’re hearing about it it isn’t true thing again. Which is totally true except within eight hours of the finalized deal and the other side of the talks are big sloppy blabbermouths.
Yeah all the blabber about the Marlins deal in the hours leading up to it was… accurate. Very accurate. Which isn’t to say this is going to happen, but don’t rule it out “because you’re hearing about it.” Nonsense. Mets people (Alderson, Ricciardi) are well-known in the media as willing to talk, and the NY media seems especially plugged in with Alderson, given his background at the league offices
Look at the picture they have at getting blanked for their Dicky story, prob NSFW
I laughed my ass off. Left to check MLBTR, went back and started laughing all over again.
Do it. Do it. Don’t fucking cock tease me like this!
ALERT: Heyman says deal believed to be in place, extension talks with trade team what may be holding things up..
Well who the fuck knows..
Not saying one year of Dickey is worth significant prospect capital, but … don’t forget a qualifying offer could (and should/would) be made with even a 2010 or 2011 output from Dickey this year. That recoups *some* of it, albeit down the road.
Holy fuck Wilner is a twit!
My guess is that the Texans made the deal. Too many lost-out-ons this week.
you mean the Rangers?
That picture is making me 100% rofl. Omg hahahahahahaha
check out the one at Getting Blanked.
Ken Rosenthal says “the Mets are telling clubs that they have an acceptable trade offer for Dickey, but they are trying to get an even better package, one source says.”
Which we heard earlier.
We have no way of knowing for sure, but if it’s Toronto I would not be surprised if it’s the same deal supposedly on the table at the winter meetings but Alderson finally accepts.
Maybe Dickey is amenable to a 2 year $26 million extension from Toronto, but he simply won’t agree to the perpetual $13 million options AA wants to attach to the deal.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A-GrmttCMAAAB8F.jpg
Great Photo BTW
R A Dickey makes so much more sense than signing one of the available free agents who seem to be getting fibe year contracts. First Dickey can be had for three years meaning as his contract ends the top end starters from the farm will be arriving. His three year contract will not block the young arms. Secondly, he is the best available arm out there and his AAV is not any higher than the free agents. Why wouldn’t he be the best target.
However AA has said that he doesn’t figure to do anything major, only add depth pieces and he doesn’t usually blantantly lie.
Unless Dickey comes up.
“On December 14, 2012, Dickey was traded to the Boston Red Sox for Jacoby Ellsbury, Jarrod Saltalamacchia, and prospect Matt Barnes. Immediately after, Dickey agreed to a 3 year $41 million dollar extension with Boston.”
So says Wikipedia. Must be true.
Heyman speculating on JPA & Gose.
Nothing new. Remember, he suggested Emmanuel Burris would be enough when people thought the Jays should trade Bautista half way through his breakout year.
I’d rather have Ellsbury than Dickey tbh
I wouldn’t be surprised to hear the Mets pulling all sorts of shit to punk AA. Telling random reporters things like Dickey won’t do an extension, Dickey’s this, that, etc. All of the Dickey stuff we have heard in the last couple weeks is probably the Mets way of trying to either really screw Dickey out of his wanted dollars or try and pry a better deal from a team.
I’m certain AA has a firm deal in place for Dickey and won’t budge, just like he had a legitimate price for Darvish and wouldn’t budge and wouldnt tell others how much it was or any details the minute Texas won the bidding. Mets realize with all the big name pitchers slowly dissipating they should probably take a trade soon before other teams jump in and make better offers. Mets are probably doing all sorts of silly stuff out of desperation, so I don’t fully trust all the stuff on twitter. They will do anything to squeeze a better package out of a team
JPA and any plus prospect of ours is too much for 1 year of Dickey. The extension is key here. Would he help our 2013 team? Yes. But a TDA or a JPA/Gose scenario for 1 year seems more of a panic move to improve the rotation as opposed to a smart baseball decision
A sign and trade or a legitimate chance of an extension is a different story. If you can get him for an extra 2 years at $20M on top of his current $5M 2013 obligation, much different story.
Agreed. I know the Jays have built so much prospect depth but to blow nearly half of their good prospects and throw all their eggs in one basket (in terms of winning now) wouldn’t be a good move.
Don’t mind getting Dickey, if D’Arnaud isn’t involved. The fact that Dickey doesn’t want to sign an extension with the Jays is a shitty piece of news, but not a deal breaker. I mean, since the Jays are so close to being legit contenders, but clearly have a few holes to fill, namely pitching depth, isn’t that all the more reason to go for it, and get aggressive and get a guy like this, even if its only for a year? Why sit on our hands now, when glory is within grasp? They should be aggressive as fuck right now. I’d be perfectly fine with Gose (he sucks so bad at the plate) and JPA (nothing special, replaceable) going the other way. I don’t like D’Arnaud included because its such a rare position to find a solid hitter in.
Potentially* solid hitter
This speculation is cumming so hot and furious that I think some got in my eye.
Don’t get why ppl think gose is a too good to trade for dickey! Right now he just seems like a younger rajai Davis:great speed good defense but a not so good hitter. No disrespect though!
You lost me when you said Rajai played good defense, plus the arm strength isn’t even close to Gose.
Rajai Davis has a career .990 fielding avg
Davis defense? Do you even watch?
I’d much rather gamble on JPA & fringe pieces for 1 year of Dickey than JPA & Gose for 3 years of Dickey.
Because I don’t see ANY way AA gives up JPA & Gose for 1 year of Dickey.
It’s funny how every non Jays fan on twitter is saying ‘That’s IT??’ about a package of Gose+ JP for Dickey, and most Jays fans seem to think the Jays are giving up way too much.
Seeing what speedy, good defensive and cheap CF’s have gone for I think it’s more than fair on the Jays side.
If we get Dickey, are we going to get a new dick pun every single time he starts a game on this site?
Because if so, I’m willing to give up Gose
“John Farrell’s gonna get a mouthful of Dickey this weekend”
Yeehaw, that shit ain’t never gonna get old!
Suck it, Farrell!
Keep in mind one year of Dickey is only going to cost you $5M. Assuming he puts up 2.5 WAR we’re talking about a $10M+ in surplus “value” here. And if he won’t extend we’ll get a compensation pick back when he obviously turns down our offer (or maybe he signs on for one year of $12.5M?)
Anyway, I’d trade away JPA+Gose for cheap Dickey+ a comp pick. We’ll probably draft a young, high-ceiling, center fielder with that pick anyway.
Yea no chance in hell AA does 1 yr of Dickey unless it’s coming from above his head and probably above Beeston too.
Unless Dickey is coming with some other Mets in tow, just totally anti-AA move
With all the new names popping up however, maybe this is a multi-team deal? Mets get a few random prospects/young players from several teams with some teams getting pitching (Dickey, Niese) and others getting a CF’er (Gose, Rasmus?)
If no extension then no. However I do believe his asking price was a hometown discount of sorts. Blue Jays should trade for him if he doesn’t sign, then you take Gose or whoever off the table.
This just isn’t AA style every other big deal he has done has come out of no where. I hope we can land dickey but hope it’s only a 1 for 1 deal with no extension and maybe we add a lesser pitching prospect if he signs.
Is the ‘Jays are close’ stuff all bullshit, I wonder?
@JimBowdenESPNxm
Bo McKinnis agent for R.A. Dickey at 4:22 pm est: “No one has asked us to consider an extension with any club”
just beat me to it James
could be bullshit after all
maybe the offer is something like Mike Olt plus whatever for Dickey and Mets are trying to get JPA and Gose from the Jays and AA is saying eff off unless we get an extension?
Dickey’s agent said he hasnt been asked to sign an extension with any team
um . . . yea, not cool
AA might have brought him into the cone of deniability. it is right next to the cone of silence
“please keep in mind that it does not mean that any time the Jays’ name is out there it’s a false rumour– that myth seriously needs to go away.”
Thank you. Can you please explain that over at MLBTR too?
Wilner is acting very Wilnerish today, getting into an argument with Daniel Norris about religion in schools. So very Wilnerish.
if Wilner fills Ashby’s vacancy I’d almost consider this offseason a disaster – hate to say that because it’s childish and dumb, but Wilner is a total fool and would just ruin the radio experience completely, which is the best medium for enjoying that sport
The Rangers have indicated they would trade Mike Olt and Cody Buckel for Dickey, Andy Martino reports (on Twitter). That said, the Blue Jays still appear to be in the lead for the NL Cy Young winner.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#UVlUeUPppMOuP7oH.99
Looks like I may be on to something
replied to wrong spot – ignore the above
I still Believe a C and CF are more valuable to teh Mets. Olt is very good but where would Mets put him it would have to be in a corner OF spot and I think they want CF more than anything.
Wilner’s a fucking scab that needs to be peeled off badly. One min. claims trade is not happening if we heard about it…blah blah blah and now has a trust source that says it may have legs. Trusted source = DJF
fuck the scab, amputate the whole limb – no chance of wilner coming back!
^ This. A million times, This.
The time is now, which is a different mindset than we might have had before the big Florida transaction. Fuck guys like Gose and JPA, they’re not core guys, and in Gose’s case, far from it IMO. And even if Gose was a half decent prospect, the opportunity cost of keeping him is potentially losing the chance at acquiring a big piece to help win the 2013 World Series. Although I do agree it was a career year, he did win the Cy fucking Young last season. How many other opportunities like this will come around? Bird in hand folks…. can’t have your cake and eat it too.
when you say bird in hand… are you referring to Dickey?
If we acquire him, I might just have to knuckle my balls?
Not even sure what that means.
Fuck his name and how it throws off every discussion.
AA tried acquiring Gose multiple times when he was with the Phillies organization. Once traded to Houston AA traded for him. He was moved aggresively through the system and sent to play winter ball last year, then played with the big club for a couple months. Pretty sure AA and the organization are treating him like a core guy.
JPA was the true definition of a core piece until the Florida trade.
Cy Young award is great but please put things in context before start alarming the cliche police. He’s 38 and has one year left on his contract.
Totally aware that AA pursued Gose several times, and its just as reasonable to conclude he went after him because of his perceived market value, not necessarily because he envisioned him having a successful career. If the rest of the league is high on him, for rational or irrational reasons, then he could bring back good value in a deal down the road no? Just dont believe everything GMs say in the media. It’s their job to try and increase their assets’ values so they’ll say as many positive things about them that they’re asked. It doesn’t mean they actually believe in their heart of hearts that its true. I’m not arguing that’s definitely the case here, but its not a stretch. And just because he pursued him a few times doesn’t automatically mean they think of him as a core guy. I find it hard to believe they’d feel that way about a guy who is so terrible at the plate.
And JPA a true definition of a core piece? He’s 27 and has a career OBP of .275. They have D’Arnaud waiting in the wings. Petty much a no brainer that JPA is the furthest thing from being a core piece to any team.
The time to win is now, who gives a shit if Dickey is 38 or could be gone in one year. Go for gold, never know when this type of opportunity might arise again. Fuck, its only been 20 years since the last time they were in any kind of race.
You’ve got your blinders on. Selling the farm on older players like this for a 1 year competitive window is the reason it’s been 20 years since we were in any kind of race.
I think we differ on our opinions of what we consider as valuable “farm” assets. Unless we’re talking about horse manure.
Another way to look at it is to turn the tables keeping everything else equal – if we had Dickey, and they were offering Gose and JPA for him, would we make the deal to acquire them? I’d say he’ll no, we already have D’Arnaud and Rasmus, why are we trading our Cy Young starter for two guys who haven’t proven a thing yet anyways, when we have a team built to win today?And even though he’s 38, he’s also a knuckler. I’ll take my chances on him as being a valuable asset in 2013. This is a no brainer IMO. I’m guessing the Mets are trying to get more from the Jays, and the Jays are sticking to their guns, knowing that the Mets are running out of trade options.
Olt and Buckel for Dickey is what Texas offers
Anyone got any deets on this Buckel guy?
The Blue Jays began the day with the belief that they could obtain Dickey within 24-48 hours, Ken Davidoff of the New York Post reports
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#i94AMUzAjG4L859g.99
Haha, AA’s like that guy who claims he can pick up a chick within any given night at the bar
baseball GMs better keep AA away from their daughters
Maybe this turns into a 3 way trade with AA getting Olt for JPA.
I’d be down with that.
however if the jays dont win anything this year and dickey + JJ go then you’re fucked
I honestly thought all this Gose and JPA for RA was a joke. Cant believe this might just happen. #fingazcrossed
Oh look, another one……..
Feels a lot like that darvish situation no excitement till something is done
christ this is yu darvish 2.1 isnt it
Uh, what was 2.0?
I was going to suggest a typo, but then I remembered how far the 0 was from the 1 on a keyboard
I was thinking the exact same thing. One guy starts a rumour and everyone else just jumps on that same one.
Have to think we would be getting more if AA were to trade Gose and JPA but what do I know?
Dickey not extending is false apparently according to Martino. I wonder if that rumour negatively impacted Viagra sales!
@Wilnerness590
Finding out from trusted source that #Bluejays closing in on Dickey story certainly does have legs. Will keep a close eye. #Jays
Fucking clown that Wilner
Well, considering he’d been kind of poo-pooing it all day, this may show that something really is going on.
What I mean is his whole discrediting of rumours thing is foolish – and now that he has his “inside source” it suddenly has legs? Just dont get the hypocrisy and bloated ego of that guy
That’s the norm for Wilner. He sickens me.
Just another day for Wilner really.
ken rosenthal, rangers no longer involved in dickey talks, and did not offer lot and buckle to mets
Geez the latest tweets make it sound like the Jays really are in “the lead”.
This would be more disappointing tha Darvish, I think.
If you don’t let the rumours (they are rumours) get your hopes up, your hopes can’t be crushed
considering wher e the jays were last year no
Hopefully the Jays patt with Rasmus and keep Gose. I like Rasmus’ potential, but Gose could put up 2 fWAR a season on defense alone.
Totally disagree. I’m sick of people all over Gose and hating on Rasmus. Gose was a huge disappointment in his debut last year. Rasmus is still improving, but has demonstrated to be a major league player (hitting and defense). I’d rather give up Gose than Rasmus.
Bring on the hate!
Gose was good during his second call up. I just think that Gose still has a long ways to go before he can start in MLB. He could end up being a more toolsy Rajai Davis, meaning he is more supplemental than core.
That Olt rumour seems like it could come from the Mets to squeeze offers. I’m going out now, but I’m going to take with me a vision of AA holding all the cards, and JP desperately trying to up his take before settling on Dickey for JPA, Sierra and … some non-Lansing or Nolin arm.
It’s a tough choice between Rasmus and Gose and I don’t know who I would part with? I do think that JPA is due for a breakout but you never know
contract situation is enough that I’d prefer to keep Gose, even if it’s a little riskier for the 2013 Blue Jays (though I think Boni will do if necessary.) we need some cheap talent on the team even with Rogers opening the wallet up
I am surprised no one has tweeted that a Dickey extension is required to consumate the deal.
Not at all jumping the gun here but how wells does Buck catch a knuckeball anyway???
with a very large mitt. hahahahah!
…….ok ok, someone had to say it.
First you cut a hole in the box, then you put your Dickey in the box, then make her open the box.
+1
bonus points if its a pizza box
Anytime someone tweets that the Blue Jays are front runners, Yu Darvish’s face pops into my head…. and then I get pissed.
JP Ricciardi is leaking like a sieve right now.
This would be in the top five (3?) moves he would be part of to help the Jays.
Still think more than Dickey will be involved. Wouldn’t surprise me to see AA try and shore up an additional hole somewhere else in the organization as well. Do they pick up their 25th man as well? Do they pick up a 2nd pitcher and flip one on in the current rotation?
Anyway good to see that Happ is unlikely to be the 5th starter if this trade goes through.
JPA + Sanchez for Dickey + Ike davis then?
No I can’t see the Jays giving up one of Sanchez or Syndergaard unless it was what I talked about a few days ago and that was a Dickey and Niese combo coming back to the Jays. And then obviously one of the current guys, likely Buehrle, ends up getting flipped for something else even if it’s for not that much. Now of course none of that has really been talked about before among the media wonks so it’s probably not going to happen.
I’m really excited at the thought of Dickey but also terrified of the thought of giving up Gose or D’Arnaud for a 38-year-old. I wonder if there’s a secondary move here a la Ruben Amaro’s Cliff Lee trade. Could the Jays be moving out big prospects but getting some lesser ones back? As much as I want a run, I don’t know about selling out for it.
IMO..D’Arnaud is going nowhere unless another big piece coming back. The ‘run’ is already taking place and ‘selling’ out on the prospects is part of it. There is no way they can sit back and wait/hope for all the prospects come up as most will bust anyways.
Agreed and agreed. I can see them moving D’Arnaud + if the Mets are also adding youth…I just think that there’s a difference between “buying” and “selling the farm.” The way this trade goes down or doesn’t will be a big indication of which side of that line we’re on…
Look there’s no way they trade D’Arnaud if Dickey wont extend… IMHO, anyway.
I just think there’s no way they trade D’Arnaud
any other players from the mets the jays get back then if this unlikely deal occurs
I’m trying not to let my hopes get up but they keep pushing to the surface. To put it in a way we can all understand, it’s like trying to drown a kid in a life jacket.
A high-ranking executive of a team that pursued Dickey believes the knuckleballer is being traded to Toronto, Morosi reports (on Twitter).
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#udH76J44fMRspX1A.99
Ha Ha! Just saw this hashtag on Twitter…..#Dicksanity
and #biebersballs was trending yesterday – the world must think Canadians have an obsession with genitalia!