Baltimore Orioles v Toronto Blue Jays

Things only get tougher for tonight as they begin the back half of a four game set against the Tigers, who will send Max Scherzer to the hill, followed by Justin Verlander tomorrow. The streak is already a faded memory, with the Jays now 3-6 since their improbable run back to .500, and the risk of dropping deeper below water is strong with those two starters on the hill, and with Edwin Encarnacion (who sits tonight, but could pinch hit if needed) and Adam Lind (who returns to the lineup as the DH) banged up. Josh Johnson and Esmil Rogers get the call in a couple of games the Jays would– if you’ll permit me to put on my Pat Tabler hat– really like to win.

We’ll see! Just know that there’s no shame in losing to either of these two Tigers starters.

Yes, that’s all I’ve got.

Scuttlebutt

Shi Davidi tweets that Gibbers says having Rajai Davis hit fifth tonight is just for Scherzer, but also that he plans to keep hitting Jose Bautista second so that he gets as many at-bats as possible. So… what happens tomorrow, then? Does he just mean he wants to maximize ABs tonight? Davidi does note that Jose is 6-for-11 in his career off the Tigers starter, so… maybe? Meh, whatever.

As noted in today’s Daily Duce, there’s an interesting piece on Josh Johnson, regression, nice fielding independent peripherals, and getting BABIP’d to death over at Bluebird Banter. Read it if you’re one of those hopes-getting-up types.

Not a whole lot of other scuttlebutt to report here. The Rangers signed Manny Ramirez to a minor league deal, which would totally be a thing if this was 2004, I guess.

Yeah… that’s about it that’s remotely compelling. Encarnacion was riding a stationary bike and is close and could pinch hit but “don’t count on it,” if you must know. But… yeah… that’s about it.

TV: Sportsnet

And now the lineups, by way of the live box score at theScore.comAnd for those of you who’ll be out and about, be sure to follow all the action on your phone with theScore app

Toronto Blue Jays

SS Jose Reyes (S)
RF Jose Bautista (R)
DH Adam Lind (L)
CF Colby Rasmus (L)
LF Rajai Davis (R)
3B Maicer Izturis (S)
1B Mark DeRosa (R)
C J.P. Arencibia (R)
2B Emilio Bonifacio (S)

RHP Josh Johnson

Detroit Tigers

CF Austin Jackson (R)
RF Torii Hunter (R)
3B Miguel Cabrera (R)
1B Prince Fielder (L)
DH Victor Martinez (S)
SS Jhonny Peralta (R)
LF Andy Dirks (L)
2B Omar Infante (R)
C Alex Avila (L)

RHP Max Scherzer

Comments (373)

  1. That fan is about as popular as Rob Ford right about now.

  2. Nice Colbs

  3. I love this place. Every 10 or 15 minutes another fan goes batshit crazy and types off a rant then the conversation settles down for another 10 or 15 minutes.

    It’s been a tough year when you can say that the off season was way more entertaining than the baseball season.

  4. GM AA has to sit tight to see where this team is in terms of wins but also health closer to the deadline.
    I assume he should be making any moves looking toward next season and the one after that, though. This could mean he might be buying and selling.

  5. Fuck Dusty 97!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  6. sheee-ite 98!!!!!

  7. I read on facebook that the benches cleared. I have been watching the game on and off through the night.

    Anyone update me on what happened?

  8. I just hope they have the right scouts in place that can get the job done in finding the right talent that can succeed in the AL East.

    Fuck, was McGowan 98 at the knees? Holy fuck.

  9. Dusty is dealin’.

  10. Hmmmm well if Dusty can keep getting better the future just got a little brighter.

  11. You know who should be our starters? Our relievers!

  12. Boy am I tired of teams like the O’s and the Rays doing well. I’m still on the boat. Still think this team could be amazing. Just a little tired is all.

  13. Very nice, Dusty.

  14. And, yeah, Dusty is a nice story. So the ‘pen is in REAL good shape.

  15. Striking out the side is pretty sexy. Especially striking out their best hitters. Supersexy cool.

  16. Yep, this is brutal.

  17. This thread needs more pictures of DeRosa’s wife. I can’t think straight now

  18. So we face Verlander tomorrow for the split. We needed that 2nd game.

  19. Why am I only hearing about the Vulcan changeup now?

  20. Ask The Experts:

    Zaun–The shoulder is near the head.

  21. Zaun said this postgame: “Bonifacio has been excellent since April”

    I shit you not.

  22. Does anybody have any hope for this team anymore this season? I still watch the games but its infuriating seeing teams like bos and bal have so much success. That should be the jays!! Fuucckk

    • I have faith and I think the second half hero is going to be someone totally unexpected.

      Hell for all we know it could be Ricky. He does seem to be getting a bit better in B-lo.

      Or maybe Pillar somehow ends up in the majors and fuckin rakes.

      I’ll tell you who it won’t be… Bonifacio (remember in the offseason when people said he could end up being the steal of the whole trade?).

    • My hope for the playoffs was gone after May. The hole was too deep when you’re in such a good division.

      Obviously, I’ll still watch the game and hope for another miracle 10+ game winning streak. But what I hope will happen is far different than what is likely to happen.

    • You surprise me.

      It seems to me that you are one of the most critical of the fans still on the boat, albeit with reasons you are usually pleased to list.

      I certainly still have hope; if this year is not meant to be then just wait for next year.
      The future is still bright.
      Even after a disappointing game like this, McGowan’s performance got me stoked and whet my appetite for more of the same.

      It is passing strange. The team didn’t go ‘all in’ this season at all, but a significant portion of the fan base apparently did. They seem to want ‘all or nothing.’ Baseball and immediate gratification do not go hand in hand.

  23. Fucking Boston is almost 20 games over .500. 20 over is the death knell IMO. You get to 20 over and that’s pretty much playoff bound.

  24. Scherzer post-game int. – said Rasmus should be suspended

  25. I still say AA deals.
    I think Johnson might be on the block. He’s done nothing to warrant his staying here – and he might tantalizing some team that needs A GUY.

  26. @ShiDavidi: Rasmus on thoughts before AB: “If they hit me that’s part of the game, too. Take it, put some ice on it, and go about my business.”

  27. So who’s ready for JPA bobblehead day tomorrow?

  28. Allow me, on the eve of JPA Bobblehead Day, to introduce you to his swan song.

    I DID IT MY WAY

    And now, the end is near
    And so I face the final curtain
    My friend, I’ll say it clear
    I’ll state my case, of which I’m certain

    I’ve lived a life that’s full
    I traveled each and every highway
    And more, much more than this
    I did it my way

    Regrets, I’ve had a few
    But then again, too few to mention
    I did what I had to do
    And saw it through without exemption

    I planned each charted course
    Each careful step along the byway
    And more, much more than this
    I did it my way

    Yes, there were times, I’m sure you knew
    When I bit off more than I could chew
    But through it all, when there was doubt
    I ate it up and spit it out

    I faced it all and I stood tall
    And did it my way

    I’ve loved, I’ve laughed and cried
    I’ve had my fill, my share of losing
    And now, as tears subside
    I find it all so amusing to think I did all that

    And may I say, not in a shy way
    Oh, no, oh, no, not me, I did it my way

    For what is a man, what has he got?
    If not himself, then he has not
    To say the things he truly feels
    And not the words of one who kneels

    The record shows I took the blows
    And did it my way

    Yes, it was my way.

    • Jees, it leaves me weak in the knees.

      What a fetching sight it will be, the day he snugs down his hat, adjusts his junk, and rides off into the sunset.

  29. Hi Everyone

    I haven’t posted in a long time. I think my last post was in Spring Training when I tried to confront that fucker Farrell with my son. Anyway, spent tons of money going to Spring Training, tons of money on Season Tickets and have been treated to some of the worst Baseball I have ever seen and I’ve been following the Jays since 1982. I haven’t been posting much since Si spent most of April and May vomiting up blood. I have never seen a team play worse. I went to 6 games in April and was so traumatized that the 6 games that I had in May, I threw in the garbage. I not only didn’t want to drive down to the Rogers Centre, I refused to even put the TV on. I almost got fired from my job because at inappropriate times I would shout “Someone please stop the pain” and “DFA Boni” In June they actually resembled a Baseball team although recently they have reverted back to those ugly April and May days. Through all of this, I am starting to come to a very painful conclusion. Let me first tell you that as a person I love AA. I have spoke to him many times. He is a great and genuine guy. Up until recently, I thought he was a great GM. But I’m starting to wonder. Does he know what the fuck he is doing? A 8 man bullpen. No other team in Baseball has that. Why do we? Especially when we are carrying 7 infielders and 3 outfielders. Does this make sense? Playing a game with no bench????? Has that ever happened? How about no caring about defense at all? JP is awful defensively. Who cares? He hits home runs. It’s not like catcher is an important defensive position lol. Boni at second base? Anyone who has watched knows that not only the guy can’t play that position but he can’t play any position. But they keep playing him there because they love his speed. But he can’t hit, bunt or field. The guy would make an error as a DH. Pat Gillick used to say Pitching and Defense wins. He was right and until AA starts to believe that defense counts we will never win anything. Also, what is the story with bringing up scrubs to pitch and watching them get bombed and then DFA them the next day. How many times has he done this this year? I’ve never seen any team do it like AA has this year. I was reading an article recently and a scout was quoted as saying, “What are they doing in Toronto with this revolving door of pitchers? What do they think this is, a High School League?” Anyway, I would to know what you guys think

    • AA does not make the lineup. He does not decide who plays and who sits. Boni at 2b is a gibbons decision. JP plays because of public relations reasons. the casual fan thinks he’s good. the die hard fans are going to tune in regardless..so tis better to tailor your squad to the casual fan.

    • Nice rant.
      I feel your pain.
      While AA is where the buck stops and the final decision is his,he has an army of advisors. The off season aquistions were logical and the concesus among analysts was that the Jays should be very good.
      The 8 man bullpen is due to the starters underperforming to mythic preportions.
      Injuries haven’t helped either.
      Dickey is a Cy Young winner who has gotten better every year. Each of the last 3 years though his April/May have been his worst months.June to Sept. have been better.
      Buerhle is Buerhle.An innings eater.
      Johnson is a 29 year old stud turned dud.In a FA year, his failure to dominate has cost himself 10′s of millions.Logically he should have been lights out..
      Morrow has ace stuff. He has pitched the second best game in baseball history ( according to the Sabermets).He hasn’t been yoyo’d by the Jays.he has a stable contract.This should be his breakout year.Now he’s out until mid August.
      JA Happ injured.
      And all the callups haven’t worked out.
      The one solid starter is a convertered reliever.
      For the first 2 months starters rarely made it past the 6th inning,if they don’t last you need a bigger bullpen.
      All the opening day starters had a pedigree that they haven’t lived up to.

  30. So Osuna goes 1+ innings and gives up ten fucking hits. 7 earned runs.

    yeah. me thinks he needs surgery

  31. I can’t wait to get rid of Johnson!!! This guy is pretty much a given loss almost everytime he pitches!!! I can’t think of anyone that would give up anything for this clown!!

  32. so i didnt get to see the game live. went back and watched johnsons “fielding” mishaps.

    talk about a guy whose head is not in the game.

  33. @pgammo: Tigers upset at Colby Rasmussen slide. This is a guy who wears sunglasses with roof closed. He doesn’t know…

  34. Seems that JPA sure stepped in the shit on twitter and The Fan this morning- calling out Zaun and Hayhurst for being critical of him and the team.

  35. Just about to post that

    He made some comments that are going to rile up people:

    -discredited Zaun b/c of being linked to Mitchell report – yet has a PED teammate in Melk
    -discredited Zaun and Hayhurst because they were below average MLB’ers – um, pot meet kettle?
    -said the whole clubhouse doesn’t respect Zaun and Hay – speaking out for the whole team is playing with fire

    Whole convo was interesting and pointed to a lot of the issues we’ve brought up here, how Cibia considers himself a team leader, how he seems to think he’s more than an avg MLB’er, how he doesn’t have to take responsibility for his weaknesses

  36. Stoets is gonna have to write about this too.

    Howarth just said on the Fan that he finds Johnson to be somewhat indifferent to his time in Toronto. Blair was commenting on Johnson’s poor body language.

    Howarth never really calls anybody out but it sure sounded like he was implying that JJ doesn’t really want to be here. Mentally not checked in to being a Jay.

    • fuck JP… this is way more interesting.

      is the attitude affecting the performance, or could it be the other way around?

      either way, if JH is right about this, it really puts AA in a tough position. Trade JJ at his lowest possible value, and potentially save the clubhouse..

      and it makes me wonder about the other additions too.

    • If Jerry mentions it ,you can magnify it by a factor of 10.

    • Didnt reall get that from what Howaorthbsaid. He basiclly said both JJ and Dickey did not seem too interest in striking up a friendship or repoir with him. That is hardly an indictment of them or their desire to be here. Lots of players just arent media friendly.

      The whole “doesnt want to be here” thing is a red herring anyways. Who really cares if he wa ts to be here or not? All we need to care about is is he trying as hard as he can. Obviouslt the performance isnt there for JJ………but anybody who thinks that the guy who with a good year would have been the best FA pitcher on the market this offseason isnt doing absolutely everything in his power to be fantastic this season – especially because he “doesnt want to be here” – is crazy.

      There is no person in this world who has at much at stake here then JJ does. The man is doing as best he can. As of right now, that is not good enough, but if all it took to be effective at baseball was trying hard, I would be an MLB player right now.

    • He’d be retarded if that were the case. He is destroying his chance for a big payday.

      Granted, he could also do a 1 year deal in AAAA next year and rebuild value… but still. Why risk it?

      I think more than anything its the fact that these players had ridiculously high hopes coming into the season and now they are in dead last, with a losing record. That will knock the wind out of your sails.

    • also, to clarify, Howarth said JJ (and Dickey as well) have been indifferent to HIM. He did mention that as Blue Jays he wouodve hoped they would have been more interested in talking to someone with 20+ years in the organization.

      But again, a lot of guys just do t care about that. Says nothi g to do with their desire to win.

  37. At least Zaun recognized the weaknesses in his game and tried to do something about it, even if it was with a blank cheque to Jason Grimsley.

    • Say what you will about JPA… but I’m pretty sure he doesn’t go up to the plate hoping for a golden sombrero every fucking game. I’m sure he is trying.

      • He can try all he wants, but it looks like he’s trying wrong.
        As they say ‘Work smart, not hard’

      • Obviously nobody is going to the plate trying to strikeout, numbnuts. It’s that he (at least publicly) doesn’t recognize his free swinging as a major deficiency in his game that aggravates me.

  38. I have a feeling if they put Zaun in for a few games right now, he’d post a higher OBP than JP.

  39. Baseball Central should be a fun listen this morning.

  40. I felt like Howarth was speaking more to Johnson and not Dickey b/c Blair compared him to AJ and Howarth made it seem like he really respected AJ while JJ he found hasn’t really ingrained himself in the clubhouse.

    I don’t think JJ is not trying, b/c as has been pointed out obviously, who doesn’t want a fat contract. But of all the new players to come, Johnson has never made it clear he looked forward to coming. Not verbally, not his body language. Say what you want about Burl’s early season comments about being dissapointed with leaving Miami and the whole dog issue, but you can tell Burl is having fun with the team and socializing, etc. Johnson seems like in his own world always.

  41. The JP stuff is a sideshow, so whatever. Moving on.

    I’m trying to think of a player who has had a worse showing in a contract year that promised a big payday than Josh Johnson…any athlete, in any of the four major sports. And I’m having a hard time finding one. Thoughts?

    • Im sure they exist in spades.

      For the most part, the “walk year” thing is just confirmational bias. We remember the guys who have good walk years and hold them out as “proof” while ignoring the equal amount of guys who have average or poor ones.

      The whole premise is flawed imo. It basiclly stays that if a player just tries a little harder, theyd be even more succesful. I dont really buy that.

      • There are guys who step it up though. Remember when the Rockies signed Mike Hampton to that crazy deal? He was a decent mid-rotation guy in Houston, then he gets traded to the Mets for his contract year, has the season of his life — second in Cy Young voting, NLCS MVP, both career bests and league leader in all kinds of categories, even a Silver Slugger! — gets his $150 million or something from Colorado, says he took it because he liked the public school system, and in that first year throws up a line that looks bad even by Colorado pitching standards. But he had that one season of his life, in New York, helping the Mets to a pennant, that got him the pay day, so power to him.

      • Hell, AJ Burnett’s only two full seasons before 2009 were his contract year with the Marlins (which turned into 5/55 here) and his opt-out year with the Jays (which turned into a bigger deal with the Yankees). He put up full seasons in New York but they were mediocre, although he’s been pitching better in Pittsburgh.

    • He’s probably upset he got traded to the big boy’s division and is getting exposed as fuark.

    • Someone on Twitter suggested Andruw Jones in his last year in Atlanta. Now that was a mighty fall that I forgot about.

  42. Let’s say the Dodgers try and get Utley. I’d take a gamble on either Ellis or Punto. Both have decent offensive and defensive skill sets for old guys. Would be an upgrade over Bonifacio on the cheap. Both have playoff experience too.

  43. I agree with josh to put more robots in the movie that we know since it will be the last one. But also don’t take away the main characters that have been in thus far. It makes the movie horrible. Transformers 3 was not as good as the the other two to me due to the change in characters. I love Michael Bay !!! he is good at what he does .

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