The Jays will take on the Clevelands tonight in Cleveland… maybe… eventually… I think. There is rain in the area, and so the tarp was on the field at the scheduled game time. No idea how long the delay will last (hearing 7:45 PM ET is the new expected start time, for now), but once it’s over, Josh Johnson takes on Ubaldo Jimenez in the best pitching matchup of 2010.

That year tonight’s two hurlers combined, according to FanGraphs, were worth 12.6 WAR. So far this year they’ve been worth 1.1. So… y’know… it can only get better from here, right? At least for Johnson, let’s hope.


Richard Griffin tweets that there has been a change in the Jays’ rotation order, as R.A. Dickey, who has struggled against the Orioles, is being moved to Thursday in Cleveland, while Mark Buehrle will start in Baltimore on Friday.

John Lott tweets that Brett Lawrie says he has “no idea” of his anticipated return date.

According to another Lott tweet, John Gibbons says that Melky Cabrera may start a rehab assignment this week, but that either way he won’t be back until after the All-Star break.

Ben Nicholson-Smith lays this tidbit on us: of the 93 Major Leaguers with ten or more home runs this year, only one has walked more than he’s struck out: Edwin Encarnacion.

As noted in an earlier post, Ramon Hernandez has been released by the club after a short stint in Buffalo. MLBTR tweeted as much as well.

TV: Sportsnet

And now the lineups, by way of the live box score at theScore.comAnd for those of you who’ll be out and about, be sure to follow all the action on your phone with theScore app

Toronto Blue Jays

SS Jose Reyes (S)
RF Jose Bautista (R)
DH Edwin Encarnacion (R)
1B Adam Lind (L)
CF Colby Rasmus (L)
3B Maicer Izturis (S)
LF Rajai Davis (R)
C J.P. Arencibia (R)
2B Emilio Bonifacio (S)

RHP Josh Johnson

The Clevelands

CF Michael Bourn (L)
SS Asdrubal Cabrera (S)
2B Jason Kipnis (L)
DH Nick Swisher (S)
LF Michael Brantley (L)
C Carlos Santana (S)
1B Mark Reynolds (R)
3B Lonnie Chisenhall (L)
RF Drew Stubbs (R)

RHP Ubaldo Jimenez


Image via the Cleveland Plain Dealer.

Comments (237)

  1. Fire AA after the season JP was a better gm

  2. I hate this team…..but not as much as I hate baseball cards

  3. After every loss the same crew of losers spam the board. Tonight no different.

    • Come on. Its not like they jays dont give them some ammo.

      They have been shut out 2 out of the last 3 games by washed ups Pelfrey and Jiminez.

      • No, we should be happy with where the jays are in the standings. Also, we should show jpa and boni unconditional love no matter how many times they fuck up and screw this team. How dare passionate fans express their displeasure with the teams performance.

        • Yes, that’s exactly what I said


          • So what the fuck did you say, dickwad? Are we being too negative? Awww poor kyle z doesnt want his blue jays dreams to be crushed with the harsh reality of current blue jays shitiness. Listen twat, i dont come on here just to spew negativity. I want this team to fucking win games for a change which they are currently not doing and havent done in 2 decades consistently. So if thats too much for your fucking pea shaped brain to understand, then fuck off. Also, im free to fucking express my (valid) opinion on this forum. You are welcome to ignore my comments and i’ll ignore your elated (retarded) comments after they beat the shit out of the twins.

            • hahahhahaha sorry if I hurt your feelings.

              • My feelings arent hurt. Just no need to be a keyboard warrior and call out other commenters when you disagree with them. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and thats what makes this place such a great forum for baseball discussion. Stoeten fucking cant stand people that dont share his opinion so that probably adds some of that shit on here. The beauty of this place is not the back and forth name calling, but legit baseball discussion. If you want to read name calling and idiots, go to

    • Basically

  4. I finally realized that this fucking team as presently constructed it is not going even close to a wild card spot.Having said that probably a decent 2b an average catcher and CLIFF.LEE and we have a good shot at postseason.If that does not happen(and will never happen) let’s enjoy baseball for what it is.

  5. Lind and JPA are opposite sides of the coin of confidence

    JP is overconfident. All the time. Dusts criticism off his shoulder daily. Runs the bases with head down and gets doubled up type confident. Swinging at garbage pitches confident. I could go on but enough people here know all of his excessive pride issues

    Then you have Lind. When he is mashing, he is the happiest, smiliest guy. When he struggles, he becomes a mopey bitch and falls into a rut of despair. Has some of the worst confidence of any big leaguer I’ve ever seen. Awful body language. The fact he said in an interview earlier this year about how he viewed himself as a possible career minor leaguer shows you how fucked up he is mentally. Guy was a Silver Slugger and can’t seem to retain that once great form for a sustainable period of time.

    These 2 things infuriate the hell out of me. Entitlement in sports and the absolute lack of confidence. I feel like the former can at least be addressed, sometimes need to be taken down a peg, which is my hope for Lawrie, but the lack of confidence thing seems to be you either have it or you don’t.

    • How many times have you heard that baseball is a microcosm of life?
      When are you going to accept it?
      Are you short of real life examples of entitlement or lack of confidence to observe how it impacts those around you on a daily basis?
      Infuriating yes, but all too familiar to all.

      • I wasn’t trying to be a dick, Dildo. (May I call you Dildo? I’ve never had cause to ask that exact question before.)

        Most of us never conquer our bête noire, the bane of our existence.
        Baseball has little or nothing to do with it.

        • “I wasn’t trying to be a dick, Dildo.”

          I don’t know if you constructed that sentence that way on purpose but it made me giggle and brought out the inner teenager in me.
          Sorta like the punchline to a prepubescent joke.
          My mind gets a little fucked up every now and then.

  6. Josh Johnson has now given up 3 earned runs in his last 12 innings.

    hopefully some scouts were there tonight and saw he had some filthy stuff.

    hopefully we can trade him for a second bagger or catcher that can get on base at a 250 clip.

  7. What is the point of having Lawrie play second? How does this help the lineup?

    If you have Lawrie play second..then you can play either macier or edwin at third with lind playing first.

    or you could have lawrie second , macier at 3rd and edwin at first with lind DHing.

    if you play edwin at third, lawrie at second , lind at first….that allows you to have macier DH (what????)

    Unless the jays have some guy in mind who can hit the crap out of the ball who is going to DH, I dont see the point of moving lawrie to second.

    i mean what would you rather see? macier at third and lawrie at second or lawrie at third and macier at second?

    • Hopefully just for the possibility of having him play 2b in emergencies, keep the muscle memory fresh. If the club actually moves him there longterm they are fucking stupid.

      Besides, Izturis is on fire lately, so it’s not like we need a huge upgrade at 2b anymore. Just need a better bench. Too many guys with low OBP’s.

    • you’re thinking too small



    • Supposedly, for roster flexibilty.
      If you can’t trade for a 2B, then maybe trade for a 3B.Or trade for an OF,move JBau to 3rd,Lawrie to 2nd.
      That’s the theory anyway.
      The thing is that while Lawrie has the athletic abilty to play second his arm is better suited for third.You’d rather have the weaker arm at 2nd.Also Lawrie is still learning his positioning at 3rd, now he needs to learn where to be at 2nd.

      • Anyway you slice it, having Lawrie plays second results in a huge drop in defensive quality at third and likely a lateral move at 2b. Sure its cool if he plays some there in the minors in case of emergencies in the bigs, but I think any consideration to him actually playing at 2b in the bigs outside of emergencies is asking for trouble.

  8. So now RA Dickey can’t handle the fucking Orioles… amazing.

    Great trade AA. Thanks bud.

  9. Look. Okay. We get it. The team is playing awful right now. We’re not trying to piss on you and tell you it’s raining. If you want to be all negative about it, fine. It’s hard to deny the Jays are playing worse than expected.

    It’s when you say ridiculously stupid things like “Fire AA” that you’ve jumped off the deep end. I mean, would you rather have Dayton Moore as GM, who doesn’t have the slightest idea what the hell he’s doing, and randomly finds success once in a while due to the law of the blind squirrel? Or would you rather have an intelligent GM who gets screwed by randomness once every now and then just like everyone else?

    Don’t try to tell us getting screwed by randomness is justification for firing someone. That would be like blaming Calgary for getting flooded. So R.A. Dickey hasn’t followed the normal aging patterns of a typical knuckleballer (thus far, despite the fact we know he’s pitching injured); it’s somehow AA’s fault because things went other than any intelligent person would have expected? Josh Johnson is pitching the worse contract year ever, and far worse than he did last August and September, after he had recovered from his surgery. It’s somehow AA’s fault that an all-star is pitching well below what any sane person would have predicted from him?

    Randomness happens to everyone. I’d rather have the GM that knows what he’s doing vs the GM that’s totally clueless and gets lucky. You know why? Because the process works, most of the time. If it didn’t work, it wouldn’t be the process. Just because it doesn’t work this one time doesn’t mean the process is fatally flawed; it just means you’re unlucky.

    Don’t run the best GM we’ve had since Gillick out of town just because you’re too immature to accept that randomness happens.

    • It’s hard to find fault,logically, in the moves made by AA.
      The 2 biggest surprises of the year,for me anyways, is the lack of production from JJ and Morrow.
      And it’s not just me.On a recent ESPN game,the announcers wondered about JJ considering, they thought preseason, he’d be in the CY Young race this year.
      The knock on Morrow used to be that he needed to start an a regular basis and his stuff would shine. This is a guy, who according to the sabermetricians who analyze these things, threw the 2nd best game in the history of baseball.Stick with him and his talent will come out.He’s pushing 30 and still waiting to realize that potential.

      3 allstars this year,maybe a fourth and if Reyes didn’t get injured,a fifth.
      With one of the best bullpens in baseball.
      Baseball can be cruel.

  10. Holy mother of fuck. Rios goes 6 for 6. Man, he is actuallly a useful player. I was thrilled when they dumped him for nothing but salary relief. He sucked balls his first year in chicago too. But he’s better than our LF’ers.

  11. I believe watching Lind’s swing in the on deck circle during the last home stand, that his back is still bothering him. He doesn’t have the free and easy swing that he had earlier in the season.

  12. Stoeten pls ban jesuscristo

  13. Very interesting. Has anyone actually checked to see what happened since then? Thank you. Were there any follow-up investigations to determine the issue, one way or another? Along the same lines I was always curious whether “Gulf War Syndrome” was found in the vets of the Iran-Iraq war as with the US vets.

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