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For those who don’t remember Fire Joe Morgan, a blog that ceased publishing new material back in 2008, it was the gold standard in hilarious sports media criticism, and was ripped off countless times on this site, and many, many others over the years.

They’d take the worst baseball columns they could find and rip them to shreds line-by-line, and today– though it seems somewhat pointless now, since, according to a tweet from Jamie Campbell, we know that Alex Anthopoulos says John Gibbons will return next season– for old times sake I’ve hijacked their classic format to go through  (er… almost– I’ve excised a few chunks of it) a certain article from the Toronto Star, if for no other reason than because it’s pretty seriously great fun (even when I half-ass and swear my way through a pale imitation).

Also, y’know, because I feel bad for people who read this stuff and take it seriously, and would like to use my little outlet to help wrestle the discourse back towards sanity in any way that I can.

So, here we go with more John Gibbons babble. For those not familiar with the format, it should become obvious real quick, but I’ll give you a hint: the lines from the original piece are in bold, and my comments are below. Enjoy!

If the Boston Red Sox had taken the approach many suggest the Blue Jays must now take, Bobby Valentine would still be the manager.

Really? Because… shit, I must have missed it when managers became so completely irrelevant and interchangeable that we could talk about them in such binary terms. One manager on a team that struggled to win is completely identical to another manager on a team that struggled to win, regardless of whatever demonstrable dumbfuckery– y’know, throwing Kevin Youkilis under the bus and other “clumsy handling of his players [that] forced him into frequent apologies that undermined his authority in the clubhouse” (per ESPN)– each man engaged in during his year at the helm. Got it.

But would the Bosox be in first place?

Discuss amongst yourselves.

Yes. Yes they would. Clay Buchholz was a fucking wizard when healthy in 2013. John Lackey came back from the dead. Felix Doubront was beyond serviceable. David Ortiz and Jacoby Ellsbury were healthy. Shane Victorino, Mike Napoli, Jonny Gomes and Stephen Drew were nice additions. The team traded for Jake Peavy. Yeah, they were pretty good. Like many people, I suggested it was completely plausible they could take the division back in early April. John Farrell was… there.

What of it?

In a city where there’s a lot more pressure for the baseball team to win, the Red Sox, and GM Ben Cherington, decided that one tumultuous year of Valentine was all they needed to see before moving on.

Because Valentine proved himself pretty inept at handling, among other things, the media pressures in Boston. Plus, the guy they wanted all along seemed gettable. So what?

There was no “oh, this isn’t fair, give him another year.” None of this “what could he possibly have done” on a team that struggled with injuries and underachieving players and every manner of controversy.

Right. Because it seemed pretty fair, and it seemed a reasonable assumption that, even with a team that was actually healthy and performing– or that, you know, liked or respected him– he might somehow find a way to fuck it all up. That has to do with John Gibbons how?

The Red Sox just wanted to win. They made a massive, bold trade with the Dodgers to off-load salary and re-set the team. Then they decided Valentine couldn’t help them win with their new roster.

So they moved on. And are now winning.

And Valentine’s absence is exactly how fucking big in that, do you think?

Take your time, I’ll wait. Answer at your leisure.

. . .

No? Nothing? Nothing like, “Bobby Valentine was some kind of an evil demon and now magic John Farrell has come along and– shock!– with a significantly different roster, with significantly different health, has found significantly different results! YOU DON’T FUCKING SAY!”?

Hmmm.

In Toronto, a team with some similarities but many differences with Boston, the defence of John Gibbons has become predictable, but at least the chorus is now singing the same song from the same excuse handbook.

Listen and read. You’ll hear and see the same refrain everywhere.

“The starting pitching has been terrible. What could he have done about that?”

The same excuse handbook that nobody used when Valentine got shitcanned? Got it.

At least Team Defend Gibby (never heard a manager or coach other than Pinball Clemons referred so often in the media by his nickname, a dead giveaway) is organized and has found a rallying point.

Common sense, yes. Avoidance of blind faith to managerial record as some kind of serious indicator of a manager’s fitness for his job in absence of any hint of contemplation of available talent and health? Sure.

The other rallying point is “well, you can’t hang this all on him.”

Well, of course you can’t. This is a multi-faceted issue for which management and players share some responsibility.

As does the manager. Again, a share of responsibility, not blame for everything that has happened.

Are we clear on that?

Crystal clear. You want to fire a manager based on reasoning you admit is impossibly nebulous, just because of some superstition that has to do with the Red Sox playing better with one manager– and a better, healthier roster– than they did under some other guy.

Sounds dumb as fuck to me, but please do go on.

No one is advocating the simpleminded, just fire the manager and all-will-be-well approach.

You don’t hang it all on Gibbons and nobody is suggesting that should be the case. Changing managers is just ONE of the things this team needs to do.

Based on??? Still waiting for, you know, anything to suggest how the manager contributed in any kind of major, fireable way to what I agree are myriad problems with this year’s squad.

But a manager who was here before and didn’t win much, and then was inexplicably re-hired by a GM who seemed to be looking for a path of least resistance after the John Farrell debacle, has returned and hasn’t won.

Wait, he didn’t win much before??!?!!? So you’re telling me there was never evidence of his magical powers??? SO WHY THE FUCK DID WE HIRE HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE???

Not all his fault. But the record is the record.

The record is the record. But not his fault.

And it hasn’t just been the starting pitching. It’s been lazy, dumb baseball.

Except, it’s mostly been the starting pitching.

Bad defensive baseball. Tons of strikeouts by players who won’t change their approach.

Fire the manager!

An alarming number of passed balls.

Fire the manager who kept running that knuckleballer out there!

Idiotic baserunning. An inability to move runners along and even bunt. Players more focussed on Twitter criticism than improving their game.

Fire the manager! Fire the manager! Fire the manager!

Hitters staring down teammates at third base for falling to score on short fly balls and thus denying the hitter an RBI.

Fire the manager! You know, the manager WHO FUCKING REPRIMANDED SAID PLAYER THE FUCKING INSTANT THAT HAPPENED.

It’s some of all of this, and if the manager couldn’t impact any of it, why have a manager at all, for goodness sakes?

To run the bullpen? To put together the lineup? To strategize during the course of the games? To provide as positive a work environment as possible? To… I don’t know… deflect from baseless media horseshit that might otherwise prove distracting?

There are those who want to praise his handling of the bullpen, and suggest his approach was exactly what Lawrie needed and has helped turn his season around.

That’s fine. Give Gibbons credit for those things, but if you’re going to do that you can’t just look at the team’s shortcomings and say he couldn’t have possibly impacted those areas.

You can’t have it both ways.

Exactly. You can’t pretend that important, tangible things like running the bullpen well and having the staff help make a positive impact on Brett Lawrie are the same as horseshit that can’t possibly be expected of a manager, like preventing high strikeout guys from striking out, knuckleball pitchers from being difficult to catch, players from getting hurt, or confused from time to time on the base paths, or making mistakes that had nowhere near the bearing on the outcome of games that the awful starting pitching did. Totally can’t have it both ways– I agree 100%.

There should be no second chance for Gibbons because this WAS his second chance, this time with what most everybody in baseball seemed to believe was a very talented team.

And clearly since they couldn’t have just been wrong, or the Jays undone by circumstances that couldn’t possibly have been foreseen– like 21 wins above replacement of value vanishing into thin air through injury and underperformance– the shittiest deductive fucking reasoning in the universe tells us that it must be Gibbons cocking all this up!

I’m guessing GM Alex Anthopoulos won’t be swayed one way or another by media opinion. He’s watched the team all year. He doesn’t strike me as an executive afraid to coldly cut bait on a manager when he knows it isn’t working, but then again, he’ll undercut his own credibility by having to axe a manager he handpicked.

Tough call for AA.

Except that, not being too hopelessly reductive to breathe without assistance, Anthopoulos demonstrated last winter, when he re-hired Gibbons, that he clearly doesn’t believe in the same kind of wholly baseless nonsense that casual Toronto Star readers probably eat up– like drawing a straight line from a team’s record to the manager’s office, as though he alone should have found a way to make wins happen no matter what.

Valentine, by the way, won 69 games for the Red Sox last season.

Will this year’s Jays win that many?

[Crosses arms. Smug, satisfied grin crosses his face.] [Sound of toilet flushing.]

Comments (83)

  1. #bucketsofdumb

  2. On the Lawrie getting mad at Lind for not scoring incident, what some fans seem to forget is that Lind eventually scored and the Jays won that game and Lawrie was celebrating along with everyone else.

    • I also like how he refers to it as Lawrie just wanting an RBI. Nice character attack there. How exactly did he determine that Lawrie wasnt just trying to see the team score?

    • I don’t think it’s about forgetting that. It’s that it doesn’t matter.

      The fact that they ended up winning has nothing to do with how bone-headed and selfish his reaction was.

      But, to relate back to the post, Gibby absolutely was all over him. Actually I think it was a shining moment for both Gibby and Bautista. They both showed leadership and accountability by grilling the kid.

  3. That not there’s anything great about what’s left of the season (Jose Reyes IS still a Blue Jay though), but I hate how the season has devolved into this “fire the manager” bullshit.

    I’m hoping to make it to the last game of the season, and will applaud the team off the field because #2013 has been bullshit but there is still enough there that it’s plausible to be much, much better next season.

    #gibbyforever

  4. Hollering fuck I hate Damien Cox, I am actually glad he blocked me on Twitter (for no apparent reason…) so I don’t have to listen to his shit

  5. Honestly, I don’t think managers are as important as folk try to make them out to be and thus I don’t give two shits whether he’s fired or not. The Jays record with or without Gibbons is probably pretty similer.

    Although I do find it amusing watching people lather themselves into a tizzy over it.

    • If this is the case, why not make him the change focal point on top of so many other reasons that DO actually line up with him being a factor in this awful season and others. Like stoets getting on valentine for losing his cred by having clubhouse issues…gibby came prepackaged wih these from his first stint alone.

  6. Yup this is exactly the kind of irresponsible manager-hate mongering I was referring to when I wrote my Gibby defense last night. This is, after all, another human being’s livelihood we’re discussing here. Seems pretty callous to state that he should be fired while acknowledging openly that the season wasn’t his fault.

  7. It’s a real shame that Cox is allowed to continue writing about baseball. He makes any outlet he writes for look like a rag. Bleacher Report has higher standards than that guy.

    • I’d have ended that comment after the word ‘writing’

    • Just baseball? I follow three sports that have been burdened with his from-on-high “insights”, and in every instance fans of those sports have recoiled at his coverage. Hockey fans were responsible for Cox-block; baseball fans — well, enough said; and I have tennis podcasts on my phone where the hosts complain about his sexist and mindless coverage on SNET.

      To borrow a phrase from the Enlightened One himself …. the question needs to be asked. Is there anyone on this Earth who actually *enjoys* Damien Cox’s writing?

  8. Someone just called you a “lowly blogger” in the Toronto Star comment section, Stoets. I think that means you’ve made it.

    • Stoeten hasn’t made it until Cox dismisses the criticism as “mooching off his work”, or some crap.

    • Hmmm… that “lowly blogger” comment has mysteriously disappeared from the comments section…

  9. Also, thank you for doing this, Stoeten. That Cox piece was really bad and someone had to lampoon it.

  10. Hey, you gotta ask the question.

  11. It’s a shame to see the Toronto Star doing the same hatchet job it did to Rob Ford to John Gibbons.

  12. This season was everyone’s fault.

    By the way, back in April (remember April? We were so looking forward to April) when the team was beginning to tank, didn’t Mark de Rosa call a players-only meeting? Did Gibby call any kind of meeting at that time? I’m not suggesting he didn’t, but I surely hope newbie Mark de Rosa was not out there by himself without a net.

  13. Nice job Stoeten, but one point I wish you had a chance to work into your piece is the fact that coming into 2013, John Gibbons had a better career managerial record (.500) than John Farrell (somewhere below .500).

  14. Not all his fault. But the record is the record.

    The record is the record. But not his fault.

    … poetic.

  15. Gibby ok. But i do have a problem with spending 120mm on a win now veteran team and then hiring rookie hitting and pitching coaches. They may know what they are doing but will the vets listen to them at all?

    • I think Motolla’s been fine though. Based on performance, he seems to have helped Lawrie and Rasmus. As for shitbags like Arencibia, I don’t think any hitting coach could do something to make him not swing at garbage.

      As for Walker, I don’t know. Injuries have hit them hard pitching wise, so it’s tough to judge.

  16. My personal favourite line, despite it being skipped here:

    “where is the grit on this team?”

    It just confuses me, after spewing on and on about poor behaviour and frustration from certain players, Cox wonders aloud why the team didn’t fight harder to win games. As a hockey writer, you’d think Cox would attempt to find a connection between arguing with umpires and ‘lighting a fire under the team’.

    I suppose he’s just hopelessly pessimistic all the time.

    • What does “grit” in baseball mean anyway? Fouling off pitches and battling? Trying to steal bases? Diving for baseball’s while playing defense? Always wondered that.
      This article is a hot steaming piece of shit. It’s awful how he jumps to conclusions and ignores the fact that he should connect some dots and make some logical connections to why gibby should be fired. What are his actual reasons? That he’s like Valentine and if Boston did it, we should too? What about that we have lost what seems like 5,000 man games to injuries, our starting pitching ERA is second worst in the AL, our entire team has under performed and its our managers fault? Fuck off! Fuck a cox, Cox. Seriously.
      The most infuriating thing about this is that there will be tools out there who read this article and eat this shit up.

  17. God, I’m so tired of opening up the Globe, or the Star, Sportsnet or the Sun and seeing another goddamned story about Gibbons’ future with the club….and then seeing those same comments being regurgitated like week-old egg salad sandwiches onto every goddamned message board and fan forum.
    How many times can you say the same thing…basically “we don’t know what he did, and we can’t exactly put our finger on why….but someone needs to be fired, don’t ya think?

  18. Is there a lazier, less-informed, more reliably flabbergasting sports journalist in the entire fucking universe than Damien Cox? …I mean, yeah… probably… but still, holy shit.

    • Uh… Marty York?

    • Cox needs to stick to hockey and tennis.
      Cathal Kelly I usually enjoy reading but his snarky pieces this week following the Blue Jays through Texas were fucking terrible. Total kick’em while they’re down, catty bullshit.
      This coming from the paper that had a huge 12 page special section at the beginning of the season and an “e-read” (only $4.99!) titled “Why This Could Be The Jay’s Year!!!” (or some fucking crap like that) penned by that baseball guru Rosie DiManno…
      All three of them are still light years beyond that piece of shit Simmons though, so there’s that.

  19. Good job.

    The only thing I’d throw in though, in Cox’s defense, which makes me feel dirty and gross, is some of the stuff he says about guys not wanting to change their approach and making dumb mistakes – can’t Gibby work with those guys to say “hey Rajai – if the pitch is above your eye-line, don’t fucking swing at it”, or “Bonifacio – you bunt worse than a little-leaguer – don’t do it again or you’re never playing again”, or “JP – never ever swing at 3-2. because doing nothing in that situation will get you on base exponentially more often”. As far as dumb mistakes go, and how he could fix them, maybe force some guys to do some extra practice on certain things (hitting cut-offs, bunting, etc) so that they don’t make those mistakes as often. However, I don’t think that the really dumb mistakes (the avoidable ones, anyway) have contributed to X number of losses that have kept the team out playoff contention).

    I know part of Gibby’s personality as a manager is to be laid-back and let the guys play, and that’s great (and he shouldn’t be fired for it), but a little more discipline on certain fronts, I think, would be good for him to do. He’s the leader of the coaching staff, so he needs to make sure that the coaches know what he wants and how to get certain guys to improve (JPA specifically). But anyway, I’d love to see Gibby manage a healthy group next year.

    • Good luck with that. Did you see the post about systemic problems with Jays injuries?

    • Still though,there’s only so much you can say to the Arencibia and bonufacios of the world. It’s not as simple as dont swing at balls or play better. There needs to be some talent or adaptability on the player side too. Also, on the JP 3-2 thing, does he even have the ability to take 3 balls?

  20. Christ! Damien Cox is as dumb as he looks.

  21. Man, I miss FJM.

  22. Great stuff.

  23. i cant fucking stand when guys who never cover/write about a certain sport, decide to chime in when things have not worked out. he knows shit about baseball.

    hey Cox, why dont you go fondle Poposil or Raonic ya big bald dork!

  24. Professional baseball players are for the most part uneducated, super talented 20-something meat heads who have been catered to their entire lives.

    I think it’s SO naive to think that a manager doesn’t have a MAJOR influence on their on-field performance.

    At best, Gibbons is not part of the solution

    At worst, Gibbons is part of the problem

    There is NO reason for Gibbons to manage this team for another year.

    • Not naive just reality. Naive is assuming that players(many who are college educated) are dumb meatheads. Actually no, that is ust being a fucking ignorant piece of shit. Who is the meathead?

    • Yes, this is exactly the type of drivel I expect to see from people who want him fired.

      Fucking idiot

      • Yeah everybody loves a blog where you can say “fuck you” to somebody you disagree with instead of addressing the argument.

        Explain to me why you think baseball players are unlike the rest of the world. The rest of the world is deeply affected by leadership. In particular, 20 year olds at the beginning of their career who have never dealt with failure…are deeply affected by leadership. Honestly.

        What do you think happens in the minor leagues? The kids are COACHED. They’re taught how to hit, and they’re taught how to pitch. If that wasn’t the case, draftees wouldn’t spend 3-5 years in the minors. Why would that coaching and learning stop in the majors?

        And more importantly. Show me some evidence! Show me why he should stay! Make a case for him without saying “it’s not his fault”.

        • 2 all star relievers, effective platooning of Lind (for a bit, anyway), 10th best wOBA despite sinkholes at 2B, 3B, LF, and C for the majority of the season. You can’t blame the problems on him without acknowledging where things have gone well.

          How do we know about Gibbons’ leadership? The arguments against “HERP DERP THE RESULTS” have been laid out: Was Joe Maddon a crappy leader when the Rays missed the playoffs? Did guys like Davey Johnson and Kirk Gibson forget how to coach ‘em up the year after their Manager of the Year awards? It’s not, and never has been, that “leadership” is dismissed. But we have zero way of measuring it with any certainty. None. We can see that tactically, Gibbons is fine.

          Bonifacio boots the ball around it second. Does he do it because he’s not inspired by Gibby’s pregame speech, or because he’s an awful baseball player?

          JPA strikes out. Is it because he’s sad that Gibby plays Thole when Dickey starts, or because he’s not a good hitter?

          • “The arguments against the results” are the ones that matter.

            Honestly. At BEST, you can say Gibbons has done nothing to help a shitty situation.

            At worst he’s the cause.

            As you say, JPA strikes out, Boni is terrible in the field, the team (as admitted on this blog) probably has a systemic injury issue, the starting pitching is astonishingly bad…Does Gibbons or his coaching staff attempt to IMPROVE any of these problems? From what I can see, and from what everybody else can see, he’s a guy who “lets his players play”.

            Kudos to THE COACHING STAFF for working on Brett Lawrie’s swing. That is a mechanical adjustment that has paid off. That is what a coaching staff does.

            • Youre being so ridiculous. You can’t pick and choose which arguments are somehow valid. If you want to fire Gibbons you are a fucking moron. Hows that for an argument?

            • How do I know Gibbons has done nothing? All we see are the games. We don’t see what he says to players, we don’t see all the drills, and we don’t see his effect in the locker room. He’s a laid back manager, sure. Do they want veteran managers in their face, telling them what to do? Would that make them better? I suppose it worked for the Springfield Power Plant.

              Mr Burns: “Strawberry! Hit a home run!”
              Strawberry: “Sure thing, skip!” *hits a home run*
              Mr Burns: “I told him to do that!”

              I don’t know who it was that said this on Twitter, but it was a great point: “If Tony La Russa managed them, what would their record be?” Or Joe Torre? Joe Maddon? Joe Schmo?

              Based on the results mattering, you’d have fired Joe Maddon after 2012, right? The Rays missed the playoffs, so he didn’t manage them well enough.

              It’s not that the manager is meaningless, but the measurements that we can see (and not the ones that you arbitrarily assign) say it doesn’t necessarily make sense to fire Gibbons. He has much less to do with the results than any of R.A. Dickey, Josh Johnson, Brandon Morrow, Melky Cabrera, Emilio Bonifacio, JP Arencibia, or Maicer Izturis.

      • Looks like Kyle has a need to have his face smashed into pieces.

  25. Both arguments are pretty shallow. Cox amounts to saying nothing more than “someone needs to take the fall, why not this guy?” But Stoeten is no better – he begins with his first principle and goes on from there – “I like Gibbons, I think he’s great. Ergo nothing is his fault.”

    Neither even come close to the right question, which is “Is Gibbons the right guy for this team at this time?”

    Can’t say I blame them. It’s a really hard question. I don’t know the answer.

  26. A thing of beauty. Thanks for doing this, Stoeten .

  27. You know who can suck it? Farrell…. oh…shit…

  28. Gibbons needs to go, regardless of whose fault this disasterfuck of a season is.

  29. managers of winning teams get praised, shouldn’t managers of losing teams take some of the responsibility? Everyone says “what could’ve he done differently??”. only several thousand small plays/choices over the course of the season that could’ve lead to more wins had the right play been made.

  30. No one really believes that managers do doesn’t matter. If that was what they believed, they wouldn’t talk about it so much. It mattered when Cito Gaston and John Farrell were in the dugout, and it doesn’t matter now? Really? Who are you kidding?

    It’s simply a hard subject to get a handle on.

    I think Gibbons is a pretty good in-game manager – certainly better than John Farrell. I think Gibbons and Gaston are the only managers in team history for whom managing the bullpen was one of their strengths. (it was a weakness for Cox over his 30 year career, Fregosi was downright bad, and everyone else was mediocre at best.) It so happens that these two things – in game strategic moves and handling the bullpen – are by far the most Visible things a manager does. That does not mean that they’re the Only things a manager does.

    Arguing on the basis of this year that the manager doesn’t matter all that much – hey, I agree that Gibbons has done a fine job with his bullpen and he’s a decent game manager and he’s going to lose 90 games anyway – well, it’s probably just special pleading. But it would be useful if people began to realize that those two things aren’t enormously important. Certainly not as important as the attention they receive would suggest.

    Does Gibbons bring anything else to the table? For example, has he recognized some previously unexploited talent, and found a way to maximize it? Not that I can see.

    Fundamentally, I think Gibbons is an organization man. He’s not going to argue with his GM, he’s not going to make demands about the coaching staff. He’ll be the on-field extension of the GM. Unlike his two predecessors, he won’t let his own ideas about baseball get in the way of his relationship with the GM. That can be a good thing, if the organization is in good shape and know what he’s doing. In that case, I think he would certainly be good enough.

  31. Two words. My God! The Jays are last in their division by a comfortable margin after predictions of such promise and Anthopolous deems it prudent to ensure the job of the manager next season, in August. I’m stunned. What a shame. I really wanted to watch more games at the Rogers Centre but I swear on my life I will not as long as they are playing under Gibbons. Pathetic.

    Even if he was planning on keeping Gibbons. Keep your mouth shut. At least give the fans the impression that you care and gave it some thought. Leave your options open.

    What an f-u slap in the face to the fans.

    • You’re stunned because AA guaranteed Gibbons’s job? Have you ever considered getting a fucking grip?

  32. I was laughing so hard during this but the line at the end just killed me. Beautiful.

    My favourite all time argument, which I’ve heard a ton from the Fire Gibby camp, is “WHY EVEN HAVE A MANAGER?!”… essentially proving the argument entirely.

  33. I enjoy this blog, but this is a pointless post. Yes, Cox is a bad writer, but the extrapolation that everyone who thinks Gibbons should be fired is engaging in ‘magical thinking’ is ridiculous. Even the most forgiving of perspectives on his career would admit that he’s a mediocre manager at best. But something about his laidback attitude and folksy style seems to appeal in certain quarters. But he’s not value-added.

    If you want to write something worth our time reading, engage with Griffin. He’s clearly not out to get Gibbons, but there are some pointed criticisms that are hard to refute on the fundamentals — which I again saw lacking in tonight’s loss against the Yankees.

    http://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/2013/08/27/blue_jays_fundamentally_this_squad_needs_work_griffin.html

    • Explain to us what ‘value added’ means as a manager. I have one word for you: Don Mattingly. What the fuck has he done to turnaround the Dodgers, besides a big fat NOTHING? … That’s right, absolutely nothing. He got the fuck out of the way. There is no value to be added with a team full of veterans with getting a hardass.

      • There are all kinds of ways managers can add value to what they’re given. Billy Martin made it his life’s work – it’s the main reason he was so great (there were, of course, other factors that always made it necessary to fire his ass a year later.) But identifying what an individual baseball player could do to make himself a better ballplayer – stop throwing this pitch, do this when you’re turning the double play, shorten your stride against this kind of pitcher – it’s enormously important. Teaching and coaching is a much,bigger part of the job than changing pitchers two or three times a night or calling for the hit and run. Much, much, much bigger.

        There’s often a great deal more to the job than running the team, than managing the games. That may be all that some teams need, but most teams need more than that. Identifying problems and solving them is sometimes the most important thing a manager can do for your club. . We just don’t hear as much about it, and we don’t see any of it actually happening in front of us.

        And none of us are close enough to the Dodgers to know what went on there anyway.

        • seems like the assistant coaches are the ones that do most of the coaching once players get to the big leagues….the manager wouldn’t have time to coach everyone.

  34. also, i’m seriously starting to reconsider my opinion of Damien Cox. I have this feeling we’re watching the G.T.O.A.T. work his magic.

  35. what are the qualifications for a baseball columnist anyway? you’d like some fucking knowledge of baseball would be on the list. how the fuck did Cox get his job and how the fuck does he keep it? the Star is such a rag tabloid trash it is unbelievable.

  36. The article was worth the read. this crap on the score is a joke. Its funny that some fools think that Cox, who I don’t agree with 90% of the time, should not write about baseball. The man is a huge fan and is writing his opinion and backing it up with facts. Bottom line is AA needs to be under fire and his manager should as well!

  37. [...] Blue Jays’ GM Alex Anthopoulos picked up John Gibbons, who had previously managed Toronto from 2004-2008. Frustrated fans have been using Gibbons as a scapegoat, and some are totally convinced that he’s at fault for the underperforming players. However, the Drunk Jays Fans writers have done an excellent job of Fire-Joe-Morgan-ing Damien Cox by tearing apart every line of his BS. [...]

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