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I don’t want to write too much about this, because Minor Leaguer over at Bluebird Banter has done the heavy lifting, so you should all head over there and read his piece, but, to make a long story short, well… um… read what the title of this post says.

To make the story slightly longer, Minor Leaguer asked Bob Elliott to clarify what happened regarding the excised comment from his Tom Burns piece in the Toronto Sun– which I wrote about yesterday– that had originally suggested a behind the scenes “turf war” was ongoing between Jays front office staffers Tony LaCava and Dana Brown, and that some of the turnover in the scouting department was as a result of this.

Money quote:

Elliott responded by saying that he had filed the story during the day and was at the Rogers Centre covering Tournament 12 this past Saturday when he got a call at 10:10 pm from his source. The source told him that, after reading the story, he realized the information he passed along was “dead wrong” and apologized to Elliott for the inconvenience. Realizing the error, Elliott called the Sun office to delete the paragraph around 10:12 pm.

So… it sounds like the Jays clearly didn’t exert direct pressure on a journalist to make a story more favourable to them. That’s good! Indirect pressure, though? Via the source? Maybe. Or maybe some anonymous NL scout was telling tales while shitfaced and thought better of it in the cold, sober light of day.

As much as we’d perhaps be inclined to believe that this behind-the-scenes stuff had to be coming from somewhere, and wasn’t just invented out of thin air, we still have no idea. And even if some sort of conflict is happening, like I said yesterday, it’s not like you’d expect a completely harmonious front office, following a season like this. Especially, if I may allow myself to briefly speculate, a front office with so many voices– perhaps too many voices– in it. Know what I mean?

Comments (17)

  1. Is it 2014 yet?

  2. You can speculate about too many voices but from what I’ve read, AA wants differing opinions and will solicit as many as possible before making a final decision, his own decision.
    In fact, wasn’t it reported that AA went against most of his advisors last year and went ahead with a trade that they disagreed with.
    That said, it’s not hard to imagine that people see the same situation differently and have opposing views,both having validity. ( sound familiar?).

  3. I had kidn of guessed that this would be why the story was altered.
    Elliot seems like a pretty honest journalist when it comes to his “sources” and if something changed I think he’d feel obligated to make the edits.

  4. /Or maybe some anonymous NL scout was telling tales while shitfaced and thought better of it in the cold, sober light of day./

    Elliott? shitfaced with scouts? c’mon. :)

  5. Via Espn:

    AL Least Valuable Player (LVP): Josh Johnson and the Blue Jays

    Six months ago, I picked Josh Johnson to win the AL Cy Young Award. I picked the Blue Jays to win the AL East. I thought their monster trade with the Marlins was a stroke of genius. I even thought Melky Cabrera was a decent roll of the Ontario dice. So it’s safe to say I’m in no position to dump on this team and its ultra-thoughtful GM, Alex Anthopoulos, for all the stuff that went wrong this year. But holy crappola.

    MY AL LVP ballot
    1. Toronto Blue Jays
    2. Josh Hamilton
    3. Chris Young
    4. Carlos Pena
    5. Mike Moustakas
    Special two-team citation: Mike Morse
    Biogenesis Division:
    Nelson Cruz, Jesus Montero

    This outfit produced so many deserving LVP candidates, I had to let them share in this award. Johnson went 2-8 in 16 starts, made his fifth and sixth trips to the disabled list in the last seven seasons, killed the rotation, destroyed his free-agent marketability and became the second starter in the history of the franchise (joining Dave Lemanczyk) with an ERA (6.20) and WHIP (1.66) this ugly in this many innings. Melky had a .682 OPS, got four extra-base hits after May and then headed off for back surgery. Emilio Bonifacio and Maicer Izturis both had a sub-.600 OPS and combined for more errors (17) than steals (13). J.P. Arencibia hit .194, with a .229 OBP and 56 more strikeouts (147) than hits (91), and apparently wasn’t real happy his broadcast team decided to mention that. He also helped the Jays become just the fourth team in the last 40 years to have three different catchers (Arencibia, Josh Thole, Henry Blanco) hit below the Mendoza Line (in 40-plus PA). And a rotation that was supposed to be their backbone wound up ranking 29th in the big leagues in ERA (4.80) and innings per start (5.57).

    Normally, the LVP award is an individual achievement. But these Blue Jays remind us that every once in a while, we need to pick out an entire group and ask: “What the heck just happened?”

    • Sad, but true.

    • This is strangely encouraging.

      • Did they forget the non trout angels?

      • I don’t find it encouraging at all. We can gloss over a lot of things pointing to ‘bad luck’ and whatnot, but unless you’re trying really hard to, there are aspects of this team and how it got this way that aren’t so easy to gloss over. Like the not-very-good trade that landed us R.A. Dickey. A lot of fans were on-board about it and I was too. But … what else are ya gonna do once it’s done? Don’t tell me there wasn’t a little more squirming-than-usual about exactly who-and-what we were giving up for the hope that the magic-in-the-bottle act that you’re hoping for every time a knuckleballer takes the mound would be there more-than-not. When the trade happened I was smiling about it but my butt-cheeks were clenching like crazy, I can tell ya. Can we call it a blunder? Well, it’s just my opinion, but I’d say so.

        As well, there are a few other things that AA could legitimately be on the hook about, at least as far as I’m concerned. Like … a couple or so moves made-and-not-made have us looking at record-poor offensive numbers from one position in particular. Not gonna be easy to undo or fix things there, that I can see. And looking at what we already had, waiting to put the catchers pads on (and another one in the wings) makes me wonder exactly who missed what, right there? Someone in Cleveland apparently saw something that we didn’t. A blunder, plain and simple.

        And then there’s the manager. I fully admit that when the hire was made, I was so on-board with it, I thought it might turn out to be another AA-ninja moment. A couple months into the season, I rued thinking anything at all like that. Gibbons never seemed to have this team under any kind of serious direction that I could see. The oft mentioned lack-of-fundamentals was a very real thing and it sets the table for a lot of what-else that happens in a season. And that has to be on Gibbons. Whatever good things John Gibbons did this season were, to my mind, hugely outweighed by what he didn’t do. He didn’t lead. And imo, I don’t think he has it in him to do so. Not with this particular bunch, anyway.

        Sometimes I think we fall back too easily to the thinking that ‘sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t, oh well’. Well if it works out that’s great … but let’s not pretend that nobody should take falls for blunders. In the real world, that kind of thinking can get you into huge trouble in a big hurry. And as much as it’s all about fun and games in its way, Major League Baseball is about as real as it gets.

        • Holy long winded, ridiculous post.

          So…you are saying you were on board with everything…until things went bad…riiiiight.

          Easy to sit here now and say all that, isnt it?

          Idiot.

          • Well Stond, I probably could’ve edited it down some, made it more succinct, yes. But the reality of where we are in the standings remains what it is. Last place.

            If, as a Blue Jays fan, I choose to look for the upside of whatever decisions management makes and stay on board, keeping my own optimism up – even if my fingers are crossed that it all works out – that doesn’t mean I can’t alter my opinion on things as time goes by and realities unfold. We – fans – don’t actually get to have a say in the decisions made, much as you might imagine otherwise. So critiquing after-the-fact is not against the rules of being a fan. I’m not paid to move this team forward. AA and Gibbons are.

            And … what’s with the insult? Who tf are you and what makes anything you say around here more credible that what anyone else says? Not much at all, that I’ve ever seen.

        • Yeah that is a lot of blowing in the wind you’re doing there.

          I didn’t mean enormously encouraging as far as the personnel on the roster so much as that it puts into sobering perspective how relatively easy it will be to patch up some of the holes.

        • +10.

          AA’s blind spot at catcher & 2B & Manager have to be acknowledged.

          Downgrde from Hill to Johnson to Izturis.

          Catcher Downgrade from Buck to JPA, lost Napoli,Molina,Gomes .

          Looking at last fall, Gibbons was on nobody’s radar . He’s likeable & seems to be good at in game decisons, but the team was unprepared on most day. Errors galore.

  6. I find it pretty easy to believe that there would be a rift in the front office between operations and scouting after 4 years of making poor decisions regarding when to hang on to drafted players and when to trade them. In fact, that is exactly how I would thing things should be over there right now.

    Imagine being the scout who followed Syndergaard since he was 14, finally landing him, only to see him traded for Dickey. It would be very frustrating and unmotivating.

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