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There would seem to be more at stake for the Toronto Blue Jays when it comes to signing Ervin Santana or not than just the marginal value he can provide the 2014 edition of the club, though that alone could legitimately be huge.

It may not, of course. Santana’s addition may only push them from being an 84-win team to an 86-win team, or a 79-win one to a 81-win one. Shit, they may already have enough talent, and have made up for enough of last year’s value leakage to be legitimately in the playoff conversation as constituted. No, really, it could happen! But just a little extra push could be vital.

You’d hate to be Alex Anthopoulos looking back in September at what this team could have been with just another couple of wins. And if you’re him and you don’t believe those to be relevant-enough to matter, what the hell are you doing with this club in the first place, and why didn’t you spend this winter retooling it significantly?

The GM should think this team is good enough for those couple of extra wins to mean something, and while they certainly may be able to skate through the AL East somehow without them, thanks presumably to projection-busting sources like Drew Hutchison or Marcus Stroman, the line about believing so much in the club’s internal options has lost nearly all of its power to compel now that it’s no longer being uttered to provide cover for those legitimately wary of this club giving a four-year deal to a guy like Santana.

Some fans don’t seem to believe that Santana is worth acquiring at any cost, citing his negative-WAR 2012 season with the Angels and his home run tendencies as reasons to avoid him. They may have even been right about those red flags when the question was whether or not to risk a four-year commitment guaranteeing Santana more total money going forward than anyone on the roster save for Jose Reyes.

Without the commitment, however, it’s much easier to feel good about the possibility that he can sustain the success he had keeping the ball in the ballpark last year with his sinker/two-seamer (FanGraphs‘ data shows that just 4.0% of his pitches in 2013 were of the two-seam variety, but at Brooks Baseball they show major sinker usage unlike anything he’d done in the past), and that much of his 2012 disaster was due to injury. Royals Review wrote about that when he joined Kansas City last year, noting his velocity drop over the course of the 2012 season, and especially in the second half. That fastball velocity came back in 2013, and, in fact, Santana threw his slider as hard as he had since his 6.0 WAR 2008 season, as well. (Yes, Santana has a six win season in his track record).

All those sliders and the associated injury risk, coupled with what we’ve been led to believe are some scary looking medical files on Santana’s elbow, are concerns, but they’re again mitigated significantly when the Jays are simply looking at a one-year deal.

That doesn’t mean there’s no risk — the Jays were still beholden enough to and intrigued enough by the potential of Josh Johnson last season to run him out there 16 times as he compiled a horrific rWAR of -1.5 in 2013 — but there is certainly more reason to think that Santana will go right than there is to think that of Stroman right out of the chute, or Redmond, or Rogers, or Happ, or Drabek — who Keith Law, in his latest at ESPN.com says yesterday showed “average to below-average stuff across the board” — or Hutchison.

He’s not a panacea, but Santana indisputably would help this club, and such obviousness is not only apparent to just us fans. In his latest at Fox Sports, Ken Rosenthal writes that the Jays players are getting involved.

Ervin Santana’s friends on the Toronto Blue Jays texted a photo to his cell phone, adding to their intense lobbying effort to persuade the free-agent right-hander to join their team.

The photo was of Jays players holding a poster.

“Come to Toronto,” the poster said.

The story, as related by a source, reflects the advantage that the Jays hold over other clubs in the recruitment of Santana. Six players on the Jays’ projected 25-man roster hail from Santana’s native Dominican Republic. Three of those players — right fielder Jose Bautista, shortstop Jose Reyes and first baseman Edwin Encarnacion – are among the team’s biggest stars.

That stuff ought to make one slightly less squeamish than Saturday’s Jon Morosi piece, also from Fox Sports, in which Jose Bautista was publicly lobbying the team to go and sign his friend, and it shows what was exactly supposed to be an advantage the Jays aimed to hold when they focused their operations more deeply on Latin America after Alex Anthopoulos assumed control of the organization. Yet here they are, seemingly not using it — though, really, I suppose it’s too early to say that.

I berated fans mindlessly urging the club to just go and offer one of the available pitchers however much it would take to get them signed back when the terms being discussed were far, far less favourable than the ones now. The money currently on the table changes the equation a little bit, I think, but the original point still stands: there’s no sense in their spending more than they have to just to sign a player on some arbitrary timeline. What matters is actually getting the deal done, and being willing to do what it takes to get the player’s name on a contract when push comes to shove and he’s actually ready to make a decision.

We haven’t reached that point yet, but as Rosenthal points out, the waters can muddy quickly. The Braves’ Kris Medlen left yesterday’s game with a forearm strain and is undergoing an MRI today, with worries of a potential Tommy John surgery on the minds of all concerned. Jeff Schultz of the Atlanta Journal Constitution suggests that, as badly as the Braves need Medlen, “there’s probably no money left to bring in somebody from the outside now, and there’s no reason to believe the organization will change course in philosophy since they didn’t show any desire to spend in the winter.” They’re still a possibility (even if they did just land former Jays prospect Zach Stewart), but even if that specific possibility is remote, their predicament with Medlen illustrates how quickly things can change.

Plus, a team like Atlanta, or anyone else with a sudden need in their rotation — not to mention the suddenly spend-happy Orioles — may have an advantage over the Jays in terms of perception. They’re actually showing themselves to be serious about winning. The Dominican guys on the Jays may be Santana’s friends, but ballplayers feeling they need to lobby a financial behemoth to open up the chequebook and help them add some potentially crucial marginal value — not only on the field, but in terms of marketing viability and consumer confidence, as well — isn’t a terribly good sign about where an organization is going, and maybe that weighs more than the personal relationships to a guy who could in actuality be making a multi-year commitment to the organization, depending on whether he gets language added to his contract about not being given a qualifying offer next winter or not.

Maybe that’s overstating it a little bit. The Jays would have the sixth-highest payroll in baseball if they made the reported $14-million move for Santana, and that’s especially impressive given where the budget has generally been throughout the Rogers era. But it still doesn’t even feel like enough, if only because it doesn’t feel like there’s quite enough talent on this roster, and that obvious, easy upgrades are available, having essentially fallen into the organization’s lap. Certainly the players don’t feel like enough has been done, and their contentment, or lack thereof, is a concern too — though also definitely one that it’s easy to overstate.

Still, though, it’s all up in the air. This story may yet have a happy ending for the Jays. The problem is, ”may” isn’t good enough. It should have the right ending — no excuses. The ending that buoys the team. The ending that restores flagging consumer confidence. The ending that adds much-needed marginal on-field value. The ending that likely vaults the Jays into a near dead heat with the Rays and Yankees in the playing time-adjusted projections at FanGraphs. The ending that, somehow, after all this, lets Alex Anthopoulos emerge from the off-season smelling almost like a winner.

It’s about much more than just the individual player himself now that we know how close they are and how low the cost has become.

No excuses.

Comments (103)

  1. and Beachy just exited with decreased velocity after two innings.

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see Atlanta make a real hard push. NL might look pretty attractive to Ervin.

    • Would be, just based on their history and everything everyone out of Atlanta is saying. But maybe.

      • yeah I saw those Atlanta budget reports as well.

        Hope I’m wrong and that they don’t make Santana a real offer, but I just can’t see them going with what they’ve got minus possibly Medlen and Beachy.

        They invested so much into the team this off season to backtrack and punt 2014 after some bad luck would seem crazy. Although it does sound familiar……I kid I kid.

  2. Assuming we sign Santana. Do we still think Hutch has a legit shot at cracking the roster as our #5?

    • I’m thinking Hutch over Happ at this point. Happ’s injured, no?

    • Blair seemed to say this AM that the impression he got from Gibbons was that Hutchison would have to pitch himself off the team at this point.

      • JJ could teach him how to do that.

      • Hutchison does the two things that Gibbons demands from a starter: throws strikes and gets guys out.

        Hard to argue with that logic. If the Jays don’t sign Santana and Happ stays hurt, I think Hutch is the #4 and Redmond/Rogers fight over the 5th. If it comes to that, I’d rather see the loser of that battle be the long man – the Jays really need a bullpen guy who can go 3+ innings from time to time.

        • Gibbons demands that pitchers “gets guys out” .. that’s a very forward thinking approach

    • No fucking way Hutch is on this team you guys! Do you not listen to Zaun Cherry? Hutchinson lacks “arm maturity” and must spend the entire season at AAA.

      Zaun would consider Hutch for a September call up, though.

  3. #Doooooiiiiiiit

  4. I find it so funny that earlier in the offseason I wanted nothing to do with Santana and now I’m hanging on every minute hoping he’ll suit up. Funny how doing absolutely nothing can change your perspective.

    • you want him because its a 1 year deal and because we’ve done nothing else.

      If someone ends up stepping up and giving him ubaldo’s contract, i wouldnt be upset at all.

      • Not sure why they wouldn’t have done that yet if they were willing. But yes, the Ubaldo deal is just the other side of OK. Jays still should have done it, of course, because they should use the advantage Rogers’ billions provide and not worry so much about poisonous contracts. Looked like they were into that sort of thing taking on the back end of the Buehrle and Reyes deals, too.

        • I agree with you. I mean, add talent wherever possible.

          I was just never high on santana, so I’m not going to be overly upset if we don’t land him…

          In all honesty I’m just overly confused and perplexed by this offseason. After speeding up the clock last season, I’m just utterly confused by every decision (and non decision) outside of fixing the catcher situation.

  5. I think your point about one-year vs. multi-year commitment is critical…. there’s really no excuse not to go for it at this point.

    • Well,

      The one downfall is that I read somewhere with these qualifying offers, he would qualify for basically an auto renew at 14 mill a year, making the signing a 28 mil for 2/yrs. So if he’s bad, he gets a mulligan. If he’s good he will leave and want more money.

  6. AA played a risky waiting game on starting pitching this year, hoping that prices would drop as the offseason wore on. Somehow — either by luck or strategy — he has actually gotten to that point, with a guy that a month ago wanted 4 years now saying he’ll sign for one. To lose out on that now would be shocking to say the least. He got his way, now it’s time to get the deal done, before all the suitors that didn’t show up the past four months begin to wake up.

    • i still have a funny feeling, santana ends up with a 3 year deal somewhere.

      Lowering his demands to 1 year was a great way of creating a bidding war and getting teams re engaged. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if they can pawn that momentum back in to a multi year deal.

      • Was reading reports saying there were 3 years deals by Os (27M) and Twins (33M) but Santana wanted a 4 year deal or 1 year deal. Maybe he is confident he will perform this year and figures a 1 year deal is essentially a 2 year ~ 30M deal once he is offered QO so isnt interestedc in the three year proposition.

      • pretty sure he’s not looking for a 3 year deal, he’ll want at least as much as Jiminez.

        • If a team has a serious injury and gets desperate, its not out of this world to see him land a 3 year 36-39 million dollar contract.

          • it’s not, but he clearly wants to prove he’s a better pitcher than other people evaluate him to be, so he’ll accept the one year deal or an overpaid deal of 4 years. Think about this another way. If he accepts the 14 million now, and picthes well enough to get a qualify offer, which is projected to be about 16 million, that’s a 30 million contract right there, ie not really, but quite close.

            a 3 year 37 million won’t make sense to him because he’ll be stuck not making free agency until the fourth season, whereas with a one year deal he can do it right after this season. It’s not advantageous to him. Not to mention he is still 30 years old.

            Sure it’s higher guarenteed, but the gamble is well worth it.

      • I completely do not get the idea that people have that a bidding war is going to escalate things way beyond what teams were unwilling to do a week ago. Just don’t think it works that way.

  7. Not that I dont mind the toronto players having some fun and lobbying for santana.

    I just wish it didnt have to come to this.

    If you value him at 1/14, then you should, in theory, value him and 1/15 or 1/16.

    We’re not in the same position as the cubs or twins, who are looking for value adds they can eventually sell off to improve their rebuild. We’re in a win now mode, so if you do, in theory offer him a 1/14 contract, you should essentially do whatever it takes to bring him in within reason, not stick to your guns.

    • Not sure i followed that reasoning. If you value a player at $X, why should you then also value them at $X + 1 or +2? Or do you mean that the difference isn’t significant enough that you should also value them at those prices? It seems like a confusing notion of value.

      • the second thing.. for the jays if you value him at a 1/14… we are the position and opportunity that you could afford to over pay 1-2 million, to secure him.

        Especially when the alternative is him possibly going to a divisional competitor.

        • Yeah. They shouldn’t be so rigid with their valuations. Circumstances change things and the team needs to respond.

          • that’s the way I see it…if the O’s are offering $13M + $X as possible incentives & the Jays need to pony up $15M or $16M as a guarantee without incentives, just get it done…

            Santana as #4 pushes Hutch to #5…Dickey, Morrow, Buerhle, Santana & Hutch is a pretty good rotation imo & with short term depth behind them in case of injuries/limit Hutch’s innings…

        • Okay, i think I see what you mean.

          [My confusion is probably not that interesting, but i got interested in the relevant notion of value. I thought the notion was kind of confusing. If you value a player at $X then you should feel comfortable or okay with slight overvaluations (e.g., $X+n which in this case is $14+2mm). It is not that you think they are really worth $X+n, but you are willing to do it because the overpay is not significant given your original valuation. So you should end up valuing a player at more than you value them at. This is what seemed odd to me

          Perhaps we mean something more like this. A valuation of a player is a actually a range. We value a player at $X where X is a range of prices (e.g., 13-16mm). They want to get the player at the lower end of the price range, but they should be willing to go up to the top end of the price range. They shouldn't go past the price range because then they are paying more than the value they receive. This means that we can stop the following problem: if they value him at 14, then they should value him at 15. IF they value him at 15, then they should value him at 16. If they value him at 16, etc….]

  8. Dan Szymborski over on his fangraphs chat thinks we’ll land him, he said if he were Santana, he would choose the Jays as we need him the most out of all of the proposed clubs.

  9. “I’ll do a one-year deal!!!!”

    “But now that I have your full attention – let’s talk, shall we?”

  10. Any chance that if the Jays sign Santana that they would than give serious consieration to signing Drew? Or is that just a pipe-dream?

    • theres a world in which it makes sense because you may value the 2nd round pick over drew but not the3rd.

      but giving this offseason, theres no evidence to suggest they would .

      plus, boras.

    • Drew likely still seeking long term deal still? Holding out until June for that maybe?

      If the Jays did sign Santana for 14M payroll would be at 145-150M? Even if Drew is open to one year deal it would really push the payroll pretty high to ~160M. Not sure the Jays would go so high but who knows, was speculating before the lack of activity in FA was due to not wanting to raise payroll, now Jays seem in to add 14M for one year of Santana which blows that theory away.

      If they dont land Santana but did offer him a one year deal then really have to wonder what is going on – money seems there for improvement but front office decided not to try to improve.

  11. Do you get any sense that AA, Beeston and Rogers are aware of the negative impact of losing out on Santana after getting him in the range you wanted? If he signs a long term deal somewhere else, fine, but if Jays fans have their hopes raised and dashed yet again, AND the disappointment of the players when they clearly want Santana on their roster…I mean, for the sake of a couple of million bucks (a rounding error for Rogers) they could lose much more in gate receipts, merchandise, advertising dollars, and managing to piss off their own players in the process. Neat trick.

    • I doubt that weighs on their mind for their decisions.

      Their focus should solely be on improving this team. Obviously there is restraints that have prevented them from carrying that out, but you cant sign someone to avoid a backlash.

      I’m sure that ticket sales have already taken a hit though.

    • I heard a good rumour that perception was a reason they didn’t go harder after Homer Bailey given what it would cost in terms of prospects and an extension. But the person I spoke to also wondered if AA was afraid of trying to push Beeston on his dumb fake policy with what ended up being a six year extension.

      That said, I don’t think the Santana thing causes nearly the damage you think. Things get amplified rather largely among us following it all so closely. Not sure it resonates with the vast majority of the ticket buying public either way.

      • The 5-year policy is close to the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard, especially given that they would deviate from it the second something that benefits them becomes available. For example (it’s a stupid example, I know, but bear with me): a free agent Mike Trout-level talent wants to come to Toronto. It’s his one and only dream to play in Toronto for fair market value on a 6- (or 7- or 8-)year deal. Beeston and Anthopoulos would trip all over themselves to make that deal happen. And if they wouldn’t, they should be fired and never hired by a professional baseball team ever again.

        • They can just pay him the same money over five years if they really want to, so in that way the policy is meaningless anyway.

          • Stoeten the argument that they can pay the same amount for five years completely misses the point of the policy. At anywhere close to market rate per AAV they don’t want to take on a contract beyond 5 years – that is the policy. They arent going to pay way above market rate AAV for 5 years that would be completely retarded.

      • Maybe, and I hope so. But there was a big uptick in attendance last year, due in no small part to their being hype around the Jays being a contender. I’m not sure how loyal those “new” in the seats fans are, and if anything the team has negative hype around them this year.

        I’m not saying they sign a guy to appease a fanbase – that’s how you get a situation like with David Clarkson. I think the damage would be done if they don’t act because it runs directly contrary to what the Jays brass themselves have been putting out for public consumption – ie, we really need to upgrade our pitching, we’re not going to sign someone unless the prices/terms come down, etc. Well, you still need pitching, and the price/term has apparently come down. Why aren’t you doing anything? If Santana signs with, say, Baltimore, from a PR perspective it makes management look like they’re just shovelling it on the fans.

        Obviously all is forgiven if they manage to put together a good season, but right now I think you’re hoping that a lot of pitchers already in camp do things they’ve yet to do at a big league level.

  12. I don’t know if I want the Jays to sign Santana or if I just want them to do something.

    I also don’t like that we’ve got players lobbying for this to happen – since their not so much pressuring Ervin to sign as they’re pressuring Rogers to sign. Losing out on Santana isn’t so bad, but pissing off your 3 best players by being cheap, is.

    And speaking of cheap, what happened with the Jays and Aledmys Diaz?

    • he’s not very good, but he would have been good to stach in the minors.

      • I think he looked pretty good just based on the video I saw of him. St. Louis, certainly a top 5 organization thought enough of him to sign him. I would like to know where AA was on this, his reasoning etc.

  13. I kind of want to see Santana sign elsewhere, if only to be able to read the Stoeten post that will be inspired in response.

    • I would be fine if he signed with any other team but the Orioles.

      Or an Al team but it doesnt sound like it so No to orioles please.

  14. This can’t be confirmed yet, but Santana might be in…………

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/w7k3bji47yf8cp6/PicsArt_1394477732618.jpg

  15. If he signs his arm falls right off immediately. If he signs elsewhere he wins the Cy and the Series. This is a tough call.

  16. This calculated level headed analysis of the situation is a nice companion piece to the hangover induced rage over the situation we saw yesterday. Most of us are probably fighting over those two approaches to the situation right now.

  17. It just makes too much sense for the Jays to not up the offer to 16 or 17 million, whatever gets it done. Really what difference is an extra couple of million?

  18. It’s Royals Review btw. :D

  19. I think there is a good chance Santana takes the 1 year deal to come to Toronto.

    However….if I’m his agent, I’m telling him only sign a one year deal with Toronto or Baltimore if it is your only option. Trying to build your value by signing with an AL East team is a very bad idea. He would be better off signing a one year deal with a National League team for much much less money.

  20. It’s a very risky game of cheap ass chicken that AA is playing right now…the jays have an impressive offence, have many players in their prime or coming into it, and the bullpen looks solid, but desperately need to add depth/improve their starting staff…just sign the dude already, even if its a bit of an overpay, its only for one year and considering the uncertainty surrounding the starting pitching, an overpay for one season is completely justifiable considering the jays current circumstances and divisional competition. Furthermore, you have to assume that, on a one year deal, the jays would be getting the best of whatever Santana has left since hed be pitching his ass off trying for that multiyear deal after next season…holy fuck Rogers, just pay the dude. Whether you want to admit it or not, you are desperate for some starting pitching help and cannot afford to have Santana helping out your competition this season – a la Jimenez…btw Rogers, relatively speaking, nobody gives a fuck about the Tfc/BMOs or whatever the fuck they call themselves…please stop pointlessly investing in minor league soccer and start getting serious about winning with the jays – who are an actual professional sports franchise.

    • What was that I was saying about people mindlessly urging the club to just go and offer one of the available pitchers however much it would take to get them signed?

  21. On another note, how good did Kratz look catching Dickey the other day?

    • I thought that Navarro’s receiving has looked really good as well. Maybe it is just salience or the contrast, but it seems like a big step forward.

    • He was Arencibiariffic!

      • I didn’t see near enough SO or PB in the box score for him to rate an arencenbia reference.

        • My bad…missed his last start, only saw his first one which was, shall we say, challenging.

          Good for Kratz if he’s getting the inside track. Although I kinda hope the term “Arencibiariffic” catches on somehow.

    • decent, better than arencibia anyways.

      He’s providing more optimism over thole anyways.

    • Kratz looks like a great receiver and Navarro looks decent too. Now lets see if either of them hits.

  22. If I was Bautista, or Dickey, and signed an extension with a club because they promised me they’d have financial backing to produce a winner…. then after last year watched them sit on their hands… i’d be pretty pissed.

  23. Interesting that the Orioles are in on him given the concerns on his elbow and the number of guys their team has failed on physicals recently.

  24. AA and Beest always want to talk about value – I wonder what the value is of a few extra million versus the potential risk involved with not having enough quality pitching. We’re now at the point where Hutchison (the guy most people thought would push for the 5th starter job) has become the de facto 4th starter thanks to Happ’s injury(?) or (shittyness?). Now you’re talking about Stroman, Happ, Rogers, Drabek or Redmond slotting in automatically to the 5th spot regardless of performance. All the while hoping like hell that any one of those remaining guys can pitch well enough to survive the AL East providing value if ANYONE of the starting 5 gets nicked during the long season.

    To kick off the season looking at that possibility, that you need virtually all of your starters to be healthy and awesome is a dangerous proposition for a man like AA to be in. Santana does not come without risk but his body of work suggests that he will likely be better than most of the bubble guys mentioned above. That value is HUGE for the Blue Jays. To move everyone down one spot in the rotation and to say “now we have the luxury of waiting for a young arm to force our hand”. That value is goddamn immense.

    • i wouldnt say it’s immense like an ocean, but the majority of MLB teams have a pretty mediocre 5th starter in their rotation. The extra depth is very nice though.

      • I get that most teams don’t have all star 5th starters, but to purposefully not add when you’re already going to be gambling on 2/5 rotation spots on top of injury concerns is a risky proposition. Given the aging nature of the impact portion of the roster and the availability of an as-close-to-financial-risk-free-as-possible 1 year contract, the addition of that extra bit of depth looms pretty large.

  25. If Baltimore or Atlanta are almost offering the same caviar with incentives, financially it makes sense to go to the States with less income tax.

    That’s a tough sell…… Especially with Atlanta being a contender.

    Just sayin……

    • The tax implications are often overblown. This accounting firm (http://www.crowehorwath.net/SOBERMAN/insights/insights-assets/Hitting_dingers,_but_not_getting_dinged__A_look_at_taxation_of_professional_baseball_players_in_Canada.aspx) estimated the difference in taxes on a $100M contact between a Florida Marlin and Toronto Blue Jays player as $2.7M. Not nothing, but certainly not a big deal for Jays to pay a bit more on a one year deal.

      Bigger concern is that Atlanta is a better place to pitch on a homer prone one year prove it deal.

    • Tax differentials are a red herring. Not that big.

      I’m worried that since this is dragging on with two good 1 year offers on the table, that the real issue is he doesn’t want to sign a 1 year contract with any ALE club. If the objective is to prove 2013 is no fluke, if I were Santana I would be waiting on a similar offer from outside the division. An ERA of 4 in the ALE vs in the low 3′s outside would make a huge difference to next year’s multi-year contract. Another million for 1 year is a pittance in comparison..

  26. I thought I read Blair mention that the Jays matched the Phillies offer to Burnett? Which was what, 16M? If that’s the case, who cares that Santana is arguably marginally worse, they’re both 1 year contracts. If 16M was available for Burnett, then 16M needs to be available for Santana.

    • Possible that the jays “value” Burnett more than Santana, since that word is thrown around so much. I also would have preferred Burnett to Santana given Burnett’s previous AL East experience.

  27. noone talks about mcgowan. his numbers were outstanding last year and originally the jays were going †o bring him back as a starter as a benefit to his arm. dickey, morrow, buehrle, hutchison, mcgowan.

  28. Well, the only thing the could make this saga seem like wasted angst is if AA swoops down and surprises us all by trading for a much better starter (aka Smardija)
    There always seems to be an ace in the hand. Perhaps it just hasn’t been played yet?

  29. I’m a little surprised that the Jays are going into the season with almost the same bullpen as last year (minus black magic). Thought for sure that a reliever would get packaged with a prospect and we would have a #3-#5 starter in return.

    AA did explore this option but it is obvious that teams are valuing their starters very highly. Because this is the case, I really cannot see why Santana is not signed yet. We are in a great position and it is clear that we do not have 5 guys set for our rotation. Very curious to know why the Jays are hesitant.

  30. Lack of SP depth and IF depth is a huge concern for me. I think AA needs to make a take-it-or-leave it offer to Santana in the $14-$16M range and let the chips fall where they may. Then after Santana signs (assuming he does, anyways), offer Drew the same thing to play 2nd. Goins becomes the everyday 2B in Buffalo and is a phone call away if either Drew or Reyes get hurt. If Reyes goes down, Drew moves to SS and Goins plays 2B. if Drew gets hurt, then Goins plays 2B. Depth. Depth. Depth. The lack of it is going to be this team’s undoing. Plus, it doesn’t hurt that Boston would get a 3rd rd pick from the jays instead of a 2nd rounder.

  31. I know it sucks to look back, and I got caught up in the hype of the Dickey trade….while in the back of my mind thinking “don’t trade the farm for a knuckleballer.” But do picture a rotation with Morrow, Syndergaard, Stroman, Sanchez, Hutch and Buehrle. Enough said!

    • Not enough said. One of those guys won’t be in the rotation until 2016, two will be off the books by then.

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