I’m a big fan of Dirk Hayhurst, however, like most people in my line of work and of a certain vintage (and, most likely, a certain level of stubbornness), I absolutely despise Bleacher Report. So, while happy to see him get a good gig, I was partly disappointed when he announced that he’d been hired on as a national MLB columnist there, at the home of what A.J. Daulerio once extraordinarily aptly termed Google-raping SEO “stories”, because I do not and will not read that site.

Except, as it turns out, in exceptional circumstances.

I can still get my Dirk fix through his personal blog — and from Bigger Than The Game, a review of which is still coming, and would have been here sooner had I not left my copy on the damn couch when I road tripped to the southern states last month! — which is great, especially for juicy Rogers- and Jays-related tidbits like this one, which came from a piece Dirk wrote after he was irked by a former colleague saying his snark towards the Jays on Opening Day may have been driven by “sour grapes”:

I was also the guy who, half way through the season, tweeted that the music Rogers Jays coverage was playing on every Blue Jays highlight package—two song choices, Metric’s Stadium Love, and Monster Truck’s Sweet Mountain River—had gotten to a level of annoyance that, when combined with the abysmal Jays season, made me want to leap off the CN Tower.

Twitter followers loved it. Rogers management… not so much. I was back roomed and told never to do that again. I laugh about that now because, when it happened, I was like, “but, it is annoying—you know it, I know it, and they (the fans) know it.”

Delicious stuff, right?

Less delicious, however, is what he laid on the organization today, in one of the few non-”What time does the Super Bowl start?” pieces available at BR.

“This team has too many Latinos on it to win,” mused the old scout beside me. “Get too many of them together on a club and they take over. The club divides, has no sense of itself. They might not be terrible. I mean, them boys can play, but they ain’t gonna win no championship. They’re too emotional to go the distance.

“No, no”—he shook his head—“I ain’t seen no team with this many Latinos in the lineup win.”

. . .

The comment didn’t shock me. Spend enough time around the inner workings of the game, you’ll hear this kind talk. Mostly from its antiquated members who’ve been overexposed to the same idiosyncratic, psychosomatic, superstitious behavior that brought players classic baseball rules of thumb like, “The darker the skin, the tighter the spin.”

What may be shocking to you is that this scout was a valued decision-maker. An evaluator of talent whose job it was to see what the team needed in order to win. He was the kind of old dog that was brought in by young, sabermetrically inclined officials to help bridge the gap between eyes-on baseball experience and cold, mathematical production analysis. His big contribution so far: the team was dark.

And the club this person is talking about? The club that he worked for?

Your Toronto Blue Jays.


[Edit: As some commenters have pointed out, it's not explicitly stated who the scout works for, however, the second paragraph is only just ambiguous enough to leave open the possibility that this could be a scout there to watch the Jays on behalf of another club if you squint real hard. Seems fairly clear that the team he's been hired by as "an evaluator of talent whose job it was to see what [they] needed to win” is the team he made his “big contribution” to by saying that it “was dark.”– AS]

Dirk drops this turd in the Jays’ punch bowl — or, more correctly, he points out this turd that has been dropped in the Jays’ punch bowl– and then moves on with his thoughtful and honest piece on racism in the game, which appropriately arrives on the eve of Jackie Robinson Day. Unfortunately, I suspect most Jays fans will miss a lot of that, zeroing in instead on the setup.

On Twitter, Brian Persaud — who pointed the piece out to me (since, as I may have mentioned, I don’t read Bleacher Report) — worries about the optics of the supposed sour grapes, and explained to me that “it would be a more powerful article if he didn’t name the team” because “it would be seen as a league wide issue.”

In a way I think he’s right, but I also think that the thing that makes Hayhurst so compelling — like Jim Bouton and Bill Lee before him — is his honesty about areas of the game where other people simply will not go, at least not when on the record. Not covering a Blue Jays “valued decision-maker” in a veil of deeper anonymity certainly reinforces that posture.

Sure, we could debate the choice to be specific or its place in the piece, but that would seem to me to be not only missing the forest for the trees, but possibly doing so deliberately to avoid an uncomfortable (alleged) truth about the team we invest so much psychic energy in. And that truth, of course, isn’t that the divisive nonsense allegedly spewed by an alleged Jays decision-maker is right — that stuff is obviously dumb as shit — but that these attitudes still exist, perhaps even in what we want to believe is (and what the Jays want to present as) an organization that is better than that.

Then again, it’s not like we didn’t know that, or haven’t heard this before — in general and about the Jays specifically. There are stories out there — at least that I’ve heard, though never legitimately corroborated — about attitudes like this back in the Ricciardi era. There is also the fact that, during this past off-season, Blue Jays Plus spoke with a “veteran player, gone from the team now,” who “went as far to tell Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos that his team would never win if it featured a Latin clique like the one present over the past couple of years.”

There’s something different, however, when it’s openly coming from a “valued decision-maker” (assuming we believe that this person has Alex’s ear — except, y’know, on the point about having all the Latino guys, on which he was clearly ignored), and not mere whispers, or for some player whose opinion no one gives a shit about. Yet the most insidious thing about this kind of talk may actually be entirely in the way that it’s too-commonly reacted to — it being subsumed into baseball discussion that, unintentionally or not, legitimizes the racist point of view — which is something that Dirk is sure to make clear:

After the comments were made and once batting practice ensued, we broke ranks to discuss. Not how what the scout said was racist. Not how we hoped he didn’t hurt anyone’s career because they had the wrong color skin. We conjectured over whether he was right—did a mix of too many Latinos mean a team couldn’t win?

This leads Hayhurst into an assessment of some the ignorance he saw at work while he was in the minor leagues — one part actual divides and barriers and aspects of racist-joke locker room culture that have led many in the game down this path, another part the same kind of ignorance highlighted in last week’s excellent piece by Dan Le Batard of the Miami Herald on the criticism of Yasiel Puig — which he suggests can fester into something far more heinous; something that has no place in the game — nor anywhere, for that matter, but especially not in the form of professional assessment from a trusted adviser who continues to be employed the day after giving such an opinion within earshot of journalists.

Yes, many Jays fans may want to slough it all off as some kind of a hit job — as, sadly, I’m sure there are some out there who would slough it off because they believe that what the scout said isn’t horrendously stupid, or because they don’t react like Dirk, who later says that “every time I hear someone talk about playing the game the right way … I can’t help but think of how much ignorance gets perpetuated under the guise of baseball cliche,” and who will be angry at both of us for knocking the Jays specifically when they’re really just stand-ins for the whole of baseball culture — but it’s exactly because  ”our” team is so central to the piece that we ought to be reading it in its entirety.

Sure, maybe it’s picking at low-hanging fruit to say that racism is still everywhere and is awful, but the sentiment sure as fuck isn’t wrong, and even if we sometimes find ourselves at a loss on how to combat it — save for just waiting for all the ignorant old fuckers out there to simply die out — it’s always a point worth reinforcing. Even if you’re not a Jays fan. Even if it happens to be written at Bleacher Report.

Comments (119)

  1. Baseball isn’t Americas only favourite pastime.

  2. Ignorant old racists fuckers get replaced by ignorant young racist fuckers.

  3. Racism? I sense a 500+ comment thread!

  4. I didn’t get that the scout worked for the Jays when I first read it. Re-reading I still don’t. The scout was talking about the Jays, but why would a scout be scouting his own organization?

    I guess that’s not really important, though.

    • Shit, that would suck if I read it wrong. However this seems like a pretty clear indication that the team the scout (the “old dog that was brought in by young, sabermetrically inclined officials to help bridge the gap between eyes-on baseball experience and cold, mathematical production analysis”) worked for is the same one he’s speaking about:

      His big contribution so far: The team was dark.

      Right? Shit, maybe not even necessarily.

      • I’m with Voodo. Doesn’t seem completely clear that the scout is a Jays scout.

      • Hayhurst didn’t explicitly say that the racist codger was with the Jays’ organization, but he framed the story and inferred it to read that way pretty clearly.

        It’s a clever bit of writing, actually.

        • I’ve added the following clarification:

          [Edit: As some commenters have pointed out, it's not explicitly stated who the scout works for, however, second paragraph is only just ambiguous enough to leave open the possibility that this could be a scout there to watch the Jays if you squint real hard. Seems fairly clear that the team he's been hired by as "an evaluator of talent whose job it was to see what [they] needed to win” is the same team that “was dark.”– AS]

          Here is the relevant paragraph:

          What may be shocking to you is that this scout was a valued decision-maker. An evaluator of talent whose job it was to see what the team needed in order to win. He was the kind of old dog that was brought in by young, sabermetrically inclined officials to help bridge the gap between eyes-on baseball experience and cold, mathematical production analysis. His big contribution so far: the team was dark.

          • I took that as the scout’s big contribution of info to Dirk’s and his conversation was “the team was dark”, but definately see how it can more likely be read as how you read it.

            Hopefully Dirk clarifies this…have you asked him on Twitter?

      • I read that story this morning after somebody mentioned it in the other thread on Reyes’ late night latinos, and I didn’t think it was the Jays scout.

        If the Jays brought in some decision maker to help, his opinion must not have been valued by AA, seeing as Jays still have the same number of Latinos, and have kept Sierra and tried to sign Santana.

      • I completely believe that the scout could have worked for the Jays. I remember during the Riccardi era how the team shifted to being principally ‘white’ – & of course, the excuse was that they only drafted college players. Orlando Hudson was not a favourite of JP – despite the fact that he was an outstanding talent.

    • The article says that the scout was brought in to evaluate what “the team” needed to win and that his big contribution thus far was that “the team” was dark. Since, the only team mentioned in the article is the Toronto Blue Jays, I think it is a fair assumption that the Jays is/was the scout’s employer.

  5. This gon’ be good.

  6. That metric song was so annoying and made a painful experience even worse….

    I can’t imagine it did wonders for anyone involved…..

    Hearing an annoying song while watching a team playing far below expectations…

    I didn’t really care about Metric before… But now I hate them!

    • Staaaayyyddiiiiiuuuuuummmmmmmmmm. Love.

      • We all know AA picked Metric for the them last year, He just wanted them to add a Saber to their name…..

      • It never made sense because even if your sole love on this planet is the Toronto Blue Jays, the one thing you detest most about the team would be the stadium, no?

    • Metric is actually an awesome band, but are now known to thousands of baseball fans for only one song, which was one of their poorer songs….that was overplayed ad nauseum.

      • One of those winter tour vids should use the lyric ‘Tits out, pants down, overnight to London’ from Dead Disco when it switches to London Ontario, will bring them new fans for sure, lol.

        As with so many bands, I loved their early stuff a lot but last couple albums were pretty meh for me.

  7. It’s almost unfathomable to me how people like this unnamed scout can think like this.

    Does he think that Josh Johnson and Brandon Morrow shit the bed and then hurt themselves because Emilio Bonifacio was speaking too much Spanish on the team plane?

    Maybe Gibby rarely called for defensive shifting because Jose Reyes and Jose Bautista like hanging out together.

    Izturis probably had a disgraceful season because Rasmus and Redmond liked talking about hunting.

  8. “…the music Rogers Jays coverage was playing on every Blue Jays highlight package—two song choices, Metric’s Stadium Love, and Monster Truck’s Sweet Mountain River—had gotten to a level of annoyance that, when combined with the abysmal Jays season, made me want to leap off the CN Tower.”

    On that front, would it kill them to use a different voice-over person once in a while?!? I don’t begrudge a guy making a living but using the same guy with the same giggity-sounding voice for every ad, commercial, lead-in, outtro, etc. for all radio, TV and podcasts is supremely annoying.

  9. Seeing a link to Bleacher Report on DJF is something to behold. End of times?

  10. Was it explicitly stated that the scout worked for the Jays? Didn’t seem like it to me.

  11. Kind of reminds me when Don Cherry goes off on Euro hockey players. Seems more like a discrimination of culture rather than racism.

    • I’m no Cherry apologist and I do find that to have very poor taste, BUT there is a difference. He is not so much promoting “white people” as he is Canadians. As in, raised in our hockey programs. And thus raised to play a certain style of play (generally more physical). Hockey, with systems and real freedom of motion, leaves more room for stuff like that to matter. Baseball is much more rigid. You don’t really see different styles of play between cultures.

      • We don’t see different styles of play to the same degree, to be sure. But from what I understand, in Japan pitchers tend not to pitch inside as much because the culture of honour practically forbids hitting a batter. Now, I may be totally wrong, and I haven’t even looked it up or anything, but that, to me, would constitute a different style of play,

        if it’s true. Could you imagine if MLB pitchers stopped pitching in? All of a sudden, dead pull power hitters aren’t as effective, and slap hitters who excel at going the other way become more valuable.

      • Read Hayhurst’s column. He’s pretty clear that you do see the different styles of play. I think this is as much about cultural bias being made to look racist as anything else.

      • nah, Cherry’s a complete dick. You can’t tell me his pissing on Subban isn’t as racist as his Euro rants.

        • Cherry pissing on Subban is more about PK being settled down by the Habs organization, and being less cocky. I may sound biased as a Leafs fan, but there are times where PK runs his mouth a little more often then he should. Super talented player, but talks at times like he would go toe-to-toe with Bisonette (pfffffffttttttttt). That situation is kinda similar to the one Puig, try and tame wild bull too much, and you’ll get the horns (and by horns, I mean that player potentially looking to play elsewhere).

    • That was the allusion I was I saw too. Europeans can’t win Cups and Latino’s can’t win Championships.

      What an utterly, hilariously moronic statement. Sounds like the type of drivel a character in Crash would say.

      Less Reye’s and Cabrera’s and more Utley’s and Rasmus’ I guess. Hopefully everyone see’s the peanut flecked pile of shit that these pontifications reak of. I seem to remember our 92/93 teams anchored by a goddamn glorious roster of whites, blacks, latinos and Randy Knorr’s.

    • While I don’t agree with the opinion at all I don’t think it is racist either. Analogous to Cherry saying European’s wont win in hockey but maybe more to do with attitude than style of physical play on the field – for Cherry his opinion was the style of play Europeans play with isn’t condusive to winning in the NHL. One could argue Latin players play a little differently on the field in general and also that in general seem to be fairly laid back with casual approaches. This is a valid argument both iinsofar as if that is true and if true what impact that may have on a teams ability to win combined with whatever “clique” impacts someone may want to argue in terms of negative impact on chemistry and consequently winning . I think it is a valid non racist opinion for the scout to have (while my opinion is that he is dead wrong). Labelling this as racism is a little over blown.

      • Uh Nick… “They’re too emotional to go the distance.” is pretty fucking racist. And unsubstantiated and based solely on opinion. And racist. Like really racist.

        • You can form an opinion about any group of people and say they’re too much of anything regardless of race. It’s like saying that the Dutch football club won’t win another World Cup because they’re too likely to get high and wear wooden shoes during the matches.

      • I love how Latino players are described as both “laid back” and “too emotional” in the comment sections. Perhaps you’re right, who knows how much better the Dominican Republic would have been while winning the WBC if they weren’t force to dress so many damned Latinos!!

        As for “Team Chemistry”, the 1992 Reds won 90 games with this type of chemistry.

    • @ JCHAMP: I was thinking the same thing.

  12. I’m an either/or kind of guy. Either he should have left the Jays out entirely or he should have straight up said the guy’s name and position with the team.

    Also much as I applaud him for bringing this to light, I wonder why he didn’t call that out right then and there. I’m not a very combative guy in real life, but the combination of not only racism, but sheer stupidity would have compelled me to shoot the guy down. What are they going to fire you for calling out racism AND poor scouting logic?

    So much stupidity in baseball. Even Jerry and whatshisname on the radio yesterday were being dumb. Went off on some weird thing about team’s records in closing games of a series and how important it is because it can give you a sweep or at least a series win or at least prevent you from being swept. Uh thanks guys.

  13. No worse than having too many Born Agains on the team.

    Remember when Jerry used to drone on about ‘Athletes in Action?’

    Jerry = so corny.

  14. Funny that you posted this. I literally just met with a former college teammate who now plays for the unexpectedly successful Brewers, and this was one of the reasons given for their early success… I know you don’t believe in the intangibles like clubhouse chemistry, Stoeten, but coming straight from the horse’s mouth. Statments along the lines of ‘there were too many cholos who refused to get along with anyone who wasn’t Latino”. Even refused to speak English, even though the were capable.

    You’d think people could put aside ignorant things like this in order to win, but I guess not.

    • Funny you use “horse’s mouth,” because immediately I think, do you ask the horse why he won the Kentucky Derby? Because the horse has as good a chance at saying something meaningful about that as a ballplayer does about clubhouse chemistry. They can believe whatever they want, but that alone doesn’t make it real.

      • I’m pretty sure there is a thing that you can call “clubhouse chemistry” that does matter. If you call it “working environment” instead, you can find a number of studies done on various groups of workers measuring how changes in the working environment affect workers’ productivity. I’m willing to believe there’s a real effect across industries and across roles.

        You’re right, though, that people who talk about it in the context of sports are generally talking straight bullshit. And you’re also right that speculation about it has no place whatsoever in an intelligent discussion among fans about sports. (And you’re also right that players are probably not great at assessing their own working environments.)

        • The longest home run I ever hit was when I was mad at a teammate. And the best season we ever had was one in which we all fought constantly. Winning brought us together and we promptly stunk it up and finished last the next year.

          Conclusion: team chemistry is bad.

          This is all coed, 3 pitch softball, but I’m pretty sure it correlates 100% to professional baseball.

      • We could ask Mr. Ed.

    • Jim Henderson!

    • I think Latin players not wanting to learn English has an almost negligible effect on team chemistry, than say Rasmus air-mailing a throw 9 feet over Lawrie’s head to try and get a runner out at third and Rasmus blaming Lawrie for not jumping high enough. Not to mention, we as people living in North America often underestimate how difficult it is to learn English as a speaking language

    • do they ‘refuse’ to speak english or do they just choose to speak in their own language when having conversations with their friends who happen to also speak spanish as their first language? i work with a lot of vietnamese people and a bunch of incredibly racist assholes are always up in arms about them wanting to communicate properly with each other rather than speaking a language they each have a little trouble speaking just so someone not involved in the conversation doesn’t have to wonder if they’re talking about him or not.just because you can get by in english doesn’t mean you have to sacrifice clear communication just to please someone who never bothered to even try to learn yours.

  15. “I think any industry that dresses up a sport to the level of a national religion and makes saints and devils of men based on what kind of numbers they’ve generated in a kid’s game needs a jester in the corner making jokes in the face of its delusional sense of self importance.” Terrible run-on sentence, excellent all-nails perspective. The BEST. Hockey coverage in Canada is in absolute desperate need of a Dirk.

  16. News flash: Old people don’t give a shit about masking their stereotypical and/or racist beliefs. More at, oh, fuck it.

  17. This doesn’t surprise me on bit. Went on a cruise out of Florida back in February. They had some kind of 50′s and 60′s music revival group on board. 1000 of them. I didn’t think they still made Bryll Cream and poodle skirts but I digress. I have never seen unbridled racism like that before. Colored, Canadian, don’t speak english…they hate ‘em all. And don’t mind telling you all about it.

    ‘Colored folks are bringing about the downfall of America don’t ya know?’. Americans from the southern states have some serious issues. You gotta figure there are a crap-load of them in baseball.

    I’d be more surprised if it was a Canadian. Not totally…but more surprised.

    • As opposed to the subtle, won’t look you in the eye while fucking you form of Canadian racism?

    • Kawasaki taught the team to communicate through dance because of the language barriers. That’s not them having fun and being loose… they’re just exchanging scouting reports on Mike Pelfrey.

    • Also look at how the bench reacted when Lawrie hit his first dinger.

    • Just wait until they go on a losing streak.

      “Too much dancing in the dugout, you can’t have fun when you’re losing”

  18. why is the Reyes instagram post gone?

  19. “He was the kind of old dog that was brought in by young, sabermetrically inclined officials to help bridge the gap between eyes-on baseball experience and cold, mathematical production analysis. His big contribution so far: The team was dark.”

    I interpret “brought in” and “his big contribution” to mean he was/is a jays scout.

  20. Maybe he’s not entirely wrong. Racist too.

  21. Yeah.

    Too many Latino’s certainly impacted teams chemistry and performance at the WBC.

    Who ended up winning that again? And didn’t they look to be having way more fun than any North American team?

  22. I agree

  23. wait for the old fuckers to die off? you mean there are no young people who are racist?
    so racism will end in 50 years? wow tell that to the palestinians.

    • Well, the old fucker die-off theory seems to be working in Quebec at the expense of ignorant PQ value charter fucks.

  24. I posted about this a month or so ago. A Latino guy who had some tenuous links with the team said he thought that the Latinos on the club had their own thing going and there seemed to be a division between them and the others and he and other Latino Jays fans felt that this was a problem that should be addressed. The guy I was talking to didn’t see this as an ethnic/racist issue. More that it would be better for the team if both sides integrated and talked to each other. Since they seem to be much more cohesive and collegial now it’s likely that the misery of last year bred dissension and division as the season ground on.

    • I never understood why people are shocked that cliques develop in social settings based on race.

      You have guys that are in a foreign land, that speak the same language, with similar backgrounds who are friends, SHOCKING take a look at your own friends and how many of them are from very similar socioeconomic backgrounds?

      If Lawrie hit a home run and came to the bench and only adam lind and rasmus high fived him, then yah its fucking problem. Other than that, its a non issue. When American players go play baseball in japan, do you think they are saying, hey all those americans are hanging out together, no team chemistry blah blah blah.

      • that being said, its horseshit that too many of X nationality of players would be in any way detrimental to your teams success.

        the only group of players you should strive to keep off your team are shitty, un talented players.

        • Really? What if the raunchy old scout went on in greater detail and said everything in that article that was apologizing for Puig that we all thought was so good?
          Some people just can’t be bothered to be eloquent…just sayin

  25. Hey Stoets, you set up the whole direction of the column simply by the title you gave it “Hayhurst on Racism in Baseball And the Jays organization.” At no time or innuendo does Hayhurst say the scout was a Blue jay scout. Secondly,you wrote the whole article like a Media Robot insinuating the scout and Blue Jay organization may well be connected but there is nothing to substantiate such thinking. Dick Hayhurst was out to make some imagined comment by an older scout into a story. I would suggest because he was connected to the Jays at one time readers could well infer it happened at a Blue Jay game.

    It is time to stop trying to make up answers to statements by others and colour them into a grey area just like a criminal defence lawyer does in a court room.

    • I’m trying to envision a likely scenario in which dirk hayhurst is talking to a scout from another team and says to him, that the jays have too many latinos to win.

      I cant even envision a scenario in which dirk would be near a scout from another team, let alone one who felt comfortable enough to give him his reasons as to why the jays wont win.

  26. All I have to say is, AA didn’t listen to the guy obviously. He dumped JJ and Oliver and DeRosa retired. Who did he almost sign as a free agent this winter…another Latino (Santana) and let go Davis and replaced him with another latino, Sierra, got rid of Arencibia and went out and got another Latino, Navarro. What the question should be is why is this guy on the payroll if AA is obviously doing everything contrary to what he’s suggesting?

  27. i read it like stoets. who else is “the team”? that said, i thought toronto’s media depiction of yunel was despicably racist. yes, he did something insensitive. anyone who has spent any time in the southwest us or any latin american country would know how generic a derogatory term maricon is. how many times has bob mccown said bugger on air?

    one thing i think is interesting is how successful seemingly un-athletes such as jose and bengie molina and navarro are. given the significant amount of latino pitchers in the minor and major league levels, i’m wondering how that impacts the relative importance of a latino catcher.

    • you seriously didnt just compare the use of the word bugger to a derogatory term aimed specifically at homosexuals.

    • Don’t get me started on that sexist asshole McCown. He never let’s an opportunity pass to say something totally dickish about women’s sports. He makes me sick.

  28. Racism exists?!?!?
    I do miss Hayhurst tho

  29. I don’t want to get too into team chemistry – especially not around these parts – but I have seen a few other people mention it around here lately. It seems to me (and some other commenters) that the team seems to be getting along better this year than last. Now, obviously we don’t know much about it, and the lowered expectations, better start, and more familiarity can’t hurt..but…

    This team is missing JPA, and Bonifacio, two guys who seemed to have some importance to the clubhouse (rightly or wrongly). The Lo-Viste thing (which I had no issues with) seemed to stem from Boni, and JP I think we’d all agree quite likely in his own mind assumed he was the team leader.

    I think getting those two guys (regardless of skin colour) out of the 25man has helped. The team did seem cliquey last year, and seems more unified this year. Could it be because they’re “winning”? Could be. But, I like the way things are looking so far.

    • getting jpa and bonifacio off the roster has absolutely improved the team, but because they are both bad baseball players (bonafacio is probably better than he played here tho, but he was awful as a jay)

      Reyes and EE lost a good friend, so why would they chemistry have improved this year? Also JPA was well liked and popular in the club house.

      • See, this is what I mean. It’s an endless argument in circles. Bonifacio isn’t a horrible ball player, though. The guy has some talent, he just wasn’t really put in a position to succeed here I don’t think (the Reyes injury, Maicer’s shortcomings, etc). Not saying his numbers this year are representative of his true talents, obviously, because of the SSS.

        Sometimes splitting up those best-buddies in a classroom helps both become better students.

        JP though. Not a good ball player. I agree. I agree that his subtraction was an addition alone. I also would not be shocked if having him out of the room helped. His persona he made available to the public was truly one of an arrogant, self-centred, stubborn man.

    • Funny how winning teams always have great chemistry and losing teams always have locker room issues. You never hear team chemistry is great on a losing team.

      Its almost like losing sucks and makes people blame each other, but winning makes everybody happy!


      • You won’t hear it from the media, and it certainly doesn’t play nearly as big a role in baseball as it does other sports, but to dismiss it wholeheartedly, I think, is naive. It’s just tricky to judge, because you can’t wrap a nice statistical bow around it.

  30. Izturis out 4-6 months.

  31. Maicer Izturis done for the season, requiring surgery to repair a completely torn LCL. Hurts the team a bit, but if there’s one thing the Jays have plenty of, it’s mediocre utility infielders.

    • Sadly he’s been better than all the other mediocre utility infielders…

      I thought the report was he’s going to get a second opinion (not that I expect they’ll find anything different)…

  32. Jays should sue the Orioles for neglegence. All stairs should be replaced with ramps or at least have large men carry our athletes up the stairs so our pro athletes don’t hurt their knees walking up complicated stairs.

  33. Assuming the scout said what Hayhurst claims he did, which is an assumption on its own, there is absolutely nothing on which to base a charge of racism against Toronto. In fact, it’s the Blue Jays that have all the Latinos on the team.

    I guess when you have nothing, you start calling people ‘racists’. Pathetic, even by Hayhurst’s low standards. Good match for bleacher report. Embarrassed for Andrew that he wants to buy into the crap.

    • I’m asusming you’re the Rogers exec that pointlessly called him on calling an annoying song annoying? ;-)

      I don’t see anything calling the team racist, just one asshole that he uses to leap into a bigger discussion.

  34. I’d wondered why Hayhurst wasn’t back this year, having never heard any official explanation from Rogers. I enjoyed his honest insider’s perspective. Apparently Rogers didn’t.

    He was spot on about the commercial music (“Stadium Love”) last year. Shit like that makes me embarrassed to be a sports fan.

  35. What does “The darker the skin, the tighter the spin” mean?

  36. In my opinion, the ‘scout’ in question has a bent and/or bias that is racist. During the JP era, there appeared to be bias in favor of white players. One of the things I really liked about the Expos and Jays was their willingness to give people of “color” power…managers etc and that’s reflective of Canada. It’s not perfect up here, but it’s more open then other places on the planet and within baseball in my opinion. But, at the same time, I would wager my left testicle that AA and Paul are NOT racist. But the scout is definitely racist. If the report is accurate, he needs to be removed of his duties. The Jays have a happy clubhouse, dare I say nice chemistry ;-), and racism and a successful baseball operation, in 2014, cannot co-exist.

  37. This must be why only the US and Canada have ever won the WBC.

  38. Does not surprise me, check the interaction or lack of it in the dugout. These are professional baseball players. They play for money, that’s it.

  39. If you want to talk Bluejays and racism, ask McCown about Cito.

  40. The same scout also believes no basketball team could ever win anything with more black players than white players

  41. Now we know why the Cardinals let Pujols walk… They were getting too many latinos on their roster… And see they won a world series afterwards so the theory must be true…

  42. Oh, my, so much sophomoric moralizing. Whether the old scout’s assessment of the prospects of winning with an over abundance of Latin players is true is purely an empirical question. However, the ridiculous moralizing of the opinion by Dirk and Andrew is yet further evidence of how utterly useless the very concept of “racism” has become. And I don’t say this because, oh, by the way, “Latino” isn’t a race, but because as usual such trite objections are so blissfully oblivious to the facts.

    It is also an empirical question that most stereotypical generalizations are accurate. But don’t take my word for it. Actually do a little reading to dispel your superstitions. You can start with Jussim and McCauley’s extensive collection, Stereotype Accuracy, published by the American Psychological Association. See also Swim’s 1994 paper in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. That will get you started; there’s plenty more.

    However, with just a little common sense, such clinical research shouldn’t be necessary. Most stereotypes are accurate because human beings are extremely good at categorizing. Our cognitive capacity for it has been refined through natural selection for 100,000s (if not millions) of years. Avoid brightly coloured frogs; drink from the river, not from the sea; which band members are trustworthy and which are not. Don’t eat the red berries, the dotted mushrooms or yellow snow. Stereotyped generalizations are fast and frugal heuristics that allow us to make quick and economical snap decisions which keep us alive. If we weren’t good at it, our species would have gone extinct long ago. That’s why most stereotypes are accurate.

    Again, whether the claim in question is accurate, even if based on an accurate stereotype, is a testable, empirical question. It is not though either the tomfoolery or moral failing that Kirk and Andrew mistakenly believe.

  43. […] does not yet have such a pioneer. Instead, baseball has teams that are too Latin to win, and declining participation among African-Americans. Baseball has a lot of work to […]

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