Archive for the ‘Talkin’ Trades’ Category

Ridiculous speculative stuff here, but since people are going to get worked up about it anyway, I might as well give them a place to do so, and therefore will pass along word from Las Vegas that David Cooper has been removed from the 51s game tonight, following his third at-bat.

For whatever it’s worth, fan Kris Kennedy, who says he was listening to the game, tweets that Vegas broadcaster Russ Langer said on air that Cooper was pulled for unknown reasons, which was the same line we heard when Travis Snider– neither injured nor simply being given a breather– was taken off the field last week, prior to his call-up, and the 10-ish player deal with Houston that followed.

That’s pretty much all that we’re certain of at the moment– and I use the term extremely loosely. It could be an injury Langer didn’t see and hasn’t been told about, it could be a call-up for Cooper, or they could be bringing him to Toronto to hedge on the need for his call-up due to some injury on the active roster that we’re unaware of at the moment. It could even be that he was been given a breather by the club in a game they were leading 12-4 11-1. Or– yes– it could be the prelude to some kind of deal he’s involved in.

We have literally no idea right now, and if it is some sort of deal, you kids are probably just going to have to try and get some sleep and see what Santa brought you in the morning. Here’s a hint, though: if David Cooper is involved, I wouldn’t bank on it being anything major, unless he’s just a small piece of something much, much bigger. (Seriously though, don’t go getting your hopes up.)

For now, let’s just wait and try our best to be reasonable about what’s very probably nothing, OK?

OK?????

Isn’t that picture just so damn precious?

Awwww.

Anyway, with no game happening tonight– no Jays game, that is– and therefore no Game Threat, I decided I might as well shoehorn in a place to post today’s Getting Blanked Show, and I figured I should share this tender moment between Messrs. Lawrie and Arencibia while I was at it.

Of course, there are other games tonight, and I will indeed be watching the fucking Diamondback and the Rockies, as part of my punishment for losing this weekend’s #PropHate bet– and if you followed Getting Blanked on Facebook, you could have voted on which game I was going to be forced to watch.

Watch us talk about it, and all the news of the day, on today’s edition of Getting Blanked.

Of course, what you won’t hear about on the show is the late-breaking stuff on Ryan Dempster’s held-up trade, and the news from this hour of Omar Inflated and Anibal Sanchez going from Miami to Detroit for Jacob Turner plus. According to a tweet from Dr. Rosen Rosen, the Marlins “are extremely disappointed with team’s performance and are prepared to make a series of trades.” So… y’know… let’s go get Josh Johnson.

Detroit’s addition of a second base option that isn’t stupendously horrible crushes my pipe dream of seeing Kelly Johnson shipped off there– not that his play of late would warrant anyone having any interest in him whatsoever.

And Sanchez, who will be a free agent in the winter, is already being mentioned as a possible extension candidate for the Tigers– as is Ryan Dempster, with Rosenthal explaining that an extension with Atlanta is one possibility for the holdup of what was thought earlier to be a done deal.

Aaaaand… according to Jack Curry of YES, the Yankees have acquired the ghost of Ichiro for Danny Farquhar (yes, that Danny Farquhar) and DJ Mitchell (whoever that is), both right-handed pitchers. HUH??? I mean, not that he’s going to help them much, but… HUH????

He’s going to remember how to be great once he puts on those pinstripes, isn’t he, goddamn it. (If he ever gets there: Jon Heyman counters that there’s interest, but money issues still to be worked out– i.e. he doesn’t think there’s a deal).

So… there’s that. And this!

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Not mentioned in the post once.

Bylines, people. They’re right underneath the titles of posts on this site, and they tell you who wrote what you’re reading.

In the case of the one about this morning’s trade, you’ll notice that it was Drew, not I, who wrote it, and therefore to whom your scorn should be directed– which isn’t to say that I disagree with what he was saying, but simply to point out that t’wasn’t me.

Now, if it had been Parkes writing, that may have been a different story. Though… OK, he kept his damning of the Jays on this deal to a minimum in his post at Getting Blanked, before he went uncorking the champagne for Jeff Luhnow and company in Houston on today’s podcast.

True, the Astros had no use for JA Happ because he’ll hit free agency long before they’re ready to be competitive again, and his real value is as a swingman, a depth starter, or maybe at the very back of a rotation on a decent team. And perhaps the price shouldn’t have been so high, as the Jays could have waited until the off-season and picked up a player to fill that kind of role for nothing more than a little bit of cash.

The prospects they gave up were the price of doing business now, though, yet perhaps Parkes is also right that it’s foolish to acquire a player like Happ now in exchange for players with any kind of promise, given the position the 2012 Jays find themselves in.

But it’s not like they have a lot of ready-made fall-back starters in case they have trouble finding pitching this winter or that Happ– unsexy as he is– isn’t better than the Aaron Laffeys of the world who’ll be available for nothing; it’s not like they’ll have Luis Perez to step into the lefty specialist role that may be vacated by the terrific Darren Oliver, should he be dealt or choose to retire (as rumoured); and it’s not like they’re not going to need a guy like Happ at some point over the next season-and-a-half.

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I don’t know why we’re hearing so much of this stuff, except perhaps because we know the Jays are neither going to confirm it or deny it, but today we have yet another rumour-mongering involving Jays shortstop Yunel Escobar, this time from Jon Heyman of CBS Sports.

Now, it’s undeniable that it makes a little bit of sense to think the Jays might see the value in dealing Escobar and his very friendly contract. Adeiny Hechavarria may be more ready with the bat than I generally tend to believe, and this week’s promotion of Anthony Gose may indicate that we should believe even less about a prospect’s weak PCL stats than we already do. And though I don’t think I’m wrong in believing that the defensive value Hechavarria could provide probably isn’t nearly enough to offset the gulf between his bat and Escobar’s when he’s going well, it’s pointed out to me every time we’ve gone through this exercise that there may be more value in having Hechavarria plus whatever Escobar can be traded for, than there is in either shifting the younger Cuban to second base or slating him for the minors as a redundant piece.

And right now Escobar’s bat doesn’t look anything close to what it has at his peak.

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I tend to think this kind of stuff is… pretty much crazy, actually, but here we’ve got another rumour about the Jays and their willingness to move Yunel Escobar. And this time from an actual respectable source! Ken Rosenthal’s latest at Fox Sports.

The Jays are willing to move Escobar, sources say, in part because of their belief that Triple A shortstop Adeiny Hechavarria is ready to play in the majors. Hechavarria, 23, is batting .314 with an .805 OPS in the hitter-friendly Pacific Coast League.

OK, so Jeff Blair of the Globe and Mail has been on the “move Escobar now” train too– though maybe not necessarily based on sourced information about trade talks, but rumblings of a souring on Yunel from within the organization– and I’m not going to disparage his info (um… today), but this stuff still strikes me as a little pecuiliar.

Sure, Kevin Goldstein was saying late last month that Hechavarria’s making real progress at the plate. And yes, the numbers look good, absent the giant wad of context that is the PCL. But… um… GIANT WAD OF PCL CONTEXT!

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It was revealed prior to the All-Star break by Shi Davidi of Sportsnet that the Jays never actually made a formal contract offer last winter to Carlos Beltran, who is enjoying a great season for the St. Louis Cardinals– news that was greeted in some quarters as yet another affront to the good faith of the club’s fans, who only want to see quality Major League players brought into the team, regardless of cost.

It wasn’t, of course. Beltran’s unwillingness to go to an American League club that primarily, or even as a part-time solution, saw him as a DH, rendered the Jays’ interest moot– and the fact that a formal contract was never drawn up doesn’t mean in the slightest that Beltran, or his representatives, didn’t understand where the Jays were willing to go with him. Nor does it mean– to my mind, at least– that we ought to think twice about giving the club credit for having interest or being willing to spend.

What it does illustrate, however, is one of the main problems the Jays have when it comes to acquiring players on the free agent market. As a team still not yet at the level of serious contender, players may not be as willingly shoehorned into the Jays’ lineup as they would be with the Yankees or the Red Sox, for example, and– just in case you didn’t already realize– the club also faces issues regarding playing in Canada, playing on turf, playing in an outdated, too-often-empty stadium, and constantly looking upwards at the best teams in the toughest division in baseball.

Sure, they could overpay to overcome some of these obstacles– though there seems to be a trend among players away from signing with whoever bids $1 more than the next guy– but on principle the Jays don’t, and as much as certain types of fans love to slay them for it, it’s not difficult at all to see why, as overseers of a business with their eyes on long-term success, they hold so tightly to their valuations.

When it comes to trades, however, the rules of the game change significantly. Except for the few with no-trade clauses, players have little-to-no say in where they end up, and are acquired in exchange for a kind of capital that the Jays have in abundance. The need to add dollars to compensate for Canadian tax rates or to keep a player from choosing the Yankees does not exist; the Jays simply have to make the best offer to the club that’s looking to deal.

Trades are essentially straight-up auctions, with few extenuating circumstances in play– though intra-division deals are still exceedingly rare. They’re not unlike last winter’s Yu Darvish situation, which, I kinda seem to recall, appeared so favourable to a team in the Jays’ position that one or two people around here may have gotten a little worked up about the possibility.

Of course, the Jays had plenty of prospect capital to use on the trade market last winter, too, and failed to make a deal for starting pitching. Those failures, along with the failure to splash cash on Darvish, has made a lot of fans insufferably negative in their speculation about the club’s intentions– and especially insufferable when they try to extrapolate from last year’s non-dealings what they expect will happen in the future. Some people just can’t process failure without raging out against whatever ghosts swim closest to their grasp, I suppose, but fortunately for them and their fragile ability to comprehend long-term thinking, 2012 looks very much like the year when things are going to be different.

It’s certainly the year when things should be different.

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Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic wrote last night about the Diamondbacks and their odd souring on the extremely talented Justin Upton, who has been the subject of much speculation over the last week– and since club owner Ken “Don’t Call Me Kyle” Kendrick threw him under the bus last month.

“Yes,” Piecoro writes, “as far as I can tell, the Diamondbacks are seriously open to the idea of trading him, as incredible as that sounds given that just a season ago he was making a push for MVP consideration.”

“Sources say that if the Diamondbacks do trade Upton, they’d most likely want a third baseman, shortstop or top-of-the-rotation type starting pitcher,” he adds.

The Jays are certainly not about to trade their current third baseman, even for Justin Upton, but that doesn’t mean that Piecoro doesn’t see a potential fit with the Jays.

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