Manny Spotted In Toronto

While we’re doing the Page Six thing, quoting unnamed sources from another baseball blog, it would be negligent not to mention that several tweeters spotted Manny Ramirez in Toronto yesterday.

But before you start getting your Ramirez jersey printed up at Jays Shop, there are a few factors to consider:

  • How likely is it that the Blue Jays would be speaking to Manny Ramirez personally the very day that they’re allowed to begin negotiations?  And wouldn’t they be more likely to begin the process by speaking with Scott Boras?
  • Do Torontonians think so poorly of their municipality that the idea of a big name athlete enjoying their city can only be linked to business and not pleasure?  Manny has always been said to like Toronto and so it shouldn’t be entirely surprising that he’d be here for his own enjoyment.
  • The NFL was in town.  It may not be entirely coincidental that Manny was spotted in Toronto just prior to the Chicago Bears and Buffalo Bills kicking off at Rogers Centre.

It’s extremely doubtful that the Chicago White Sox will offer Ramirez arbitration and risk being on the hook for a raise from the $18.7 million he made last season, freeing teams interested in Manny from having to give up a compensatory draft pick.

However, unless Adam Lind is moved by Toronto or shows drastic improvement playing first base, I don’t understand the Blue Jays pursut of Ramirez.  With Boras as his agent, there are also worries that the on base machine is going to overvalue himself.  As Nick Cafardo states in his look at this year’s menu of free agents, “He has to accept that he’s a $7 million player not a $20 million player.”

Comments (23)

  1. The Boras connection really doens’t concern me, because it’s not like AA will let Boras Corp walk all over him. If he’ll play for what the Jays want to pay, great. For some reason, I’m strangely for this.

  2. “However, unless Adam Lind is moved by Toronto or shows drastic improvement playing first base.”

    What is this even based on? He played 11 games at first base and did fine. I

    If your main argument for not signing Manny is your belief that Lind can’t play 1B, it’s a pretty weak reason.

  3. Small sample size but…..Lind had a 20.4 UZR/150 in those 11 games.

  4. Let’s not waste each other’s time because we went through all this the last time it came up.

    We can respectfully disagree on the importance of defense at 1B, no?

  5. Sure, but what I don’t understand is why you think Lind is a poor defensive first baseman.

  6. Don’t take an already flawed stat (UZR – which I like when deployed correctly) and make it worse by extrapolating a tiny sample into a huge one. That number is completely irrelevant, bordering on useless.

  7. Overbay gone Lind at 1st and Manny being Manny in Canada? lol I like it

  8. “Don’t take an already flawed stat (UZR – which I like when deployed correctly) and make it worse by extrapolating a tiny sample into a huge one. That number is completely irrelevant, bordering on useless.”

    I don’t disagree, but I’m still waiting to hear the reasoning behind the claim that Lind needs to “show drastic improvement at first base.” You going to provide that for me?

  9. I totally admit I’m using anecdotal evidence, but that’s pretty much all we can look at with how few games he played at first. I have notes from watching Lind play for five of his eight starts.

    And he looked completely out of touch with what was happening on the field. He was slow to react and unable to dig out throws in the dirt and I noted two one hoppers he missed and came off the bag for in a single game against Tampa Bay.

    It’s hardly surprising given the fact that he hasn’t played the position since college, but right now at this moment, he’s not a good first baseman.

  10. The trouble FF is that we don’t have “proof” either way. Watching Lind play first and developing an opinion is basically the only true way to evaluate it at this point. Personally I think he could handle it, but I am a believer that a trained chimp could play at least adequate 1st base. We’ll definitely miss the exceptional defence that Overbay provided though.

  11. And added to that is the question mark as to who will be throwing the ball from third to first. If it’s Bautista, then yes, the trained chimp makes sense. No long term deal though…

  12. bottom line is jays do not have one person who hit anywhere close to .300 last year. therefore just the possibility of Manny having a productive year should be enough to sign him. jose would have got 160 rbi if a healthy manny hit infront of him last year

  13. I really doubt that any of this means that Manny was actively negotiating with the Jays on anything. If the unnamed sources were right in October saying they saw Manny at the Eaton’s Centre, it’s possible that he just likes the city. And even if he were interested in signing with the Jays, the White Sox have until November 23rd to offer him arbitration. If I’m interpreting correctly what was said on MLB Trade Rumors today, signing him before that deadline would guarantee the Jays have to give up a first to sign him. It’s possible that the Jays could have discussions and probably will at least touch base with either him or Scott Boras well in advance of the deadline, but why would he need to be in the city to do so?

  14. Did you even read the article you just commented on? Way to regurgitate everything.

  15. @Joe Taking on Manny is a little more nuanced than that. Average and RBIs don’t mean shit, but the Jays could definitely benefit from a high OBP like Manny. They still need to fit him in the lineup.

  16. Hey Joe,

    I think I like how you’re thinking, but there are more important things than average. Manny would be valuable to the Jays because of his OBP. No one would disagree with that, but it still has to make sense from a lineup point of view. At this stage in his career Man-Ram can only DH, and sadly, that’s the best position for Adam Lind, a player that the Jays have locked up.

  17. @dick

    The post doesn’t mention the 23rd arb deadline anywhere, or the implications of signing a player before said deadline, or the October Manny sighting. Did you read any of the comment you just responded to?

  18. But the whole post is telling people not to get excited about it. It doesn’t have to say anything about the arb deadline. It goes without saying that they’re not going to sign him before then. You’re like the idiot who reads the subtitles out loud at a foreign film, thinking he’s doing everyone a service. Just shut up.

  19. @dick
    I’m not saying it has to say anything, the post is perfectly fine. I was just adding a point that wasn’t included and is far from common knowledge. If it’s old hat to you then congratulations. I’m sure to many people in a country dominated by hockey it isn’t. I was trying to contribute to the discussion. You should try it sometime instead of wasting your time trolling in the comments section of a blog.

  20. i hope he signs. lind will be fine aat 1st. keep bautista in the outfield cause he has a canon for an arm. mannys average was still higher than any jay last year and thats what theyre looking to improve

    hill- 3rd base
    escobar- short stop
    orlando hudson- second base
    lind- 1st base
    snyder/crawford if they could sign him- left field
    wells- centre field
    bautista- right field
    ramirez- DH

    the jays say theyre willing to spend money when it makes sense well it seems now is the right time. why not throw big money at crawford and lee and soriano + a pitcher or 2 for the bullpen. cant see why a roster like that cant beat tampa and boston and compete with the yankees.

    and if they dont do this then the yankees will throw big money at lee and crawford and then the jays will be that much farther away from being able to compete against the yankees

  21. hill has been asked to consider a move to third for the 2011 season so o-dogg is a very real possibility

  22. Whoa horsey.

    You’re getting ahead of yourself with the Blue Jays.

    I think they’re heading in the right direction, but they’re not ready to spend big money on free agents.

    The whole “anyone can play first” thing is a complete myth. There are too many guys who only DH to suggest that this isn’t true. Why would teams even bother with guys hitting with a sub .800 OPS at 1B if anyone could play there?

  23. “And he looked completely out of touch with what was happening on the field. He was slow to react and unable to dig out throws in the dirt and I noted two one hoppers he missed and came off the bag for in a single game against Tampa Bay.”
    I think you’ve been spoiled by Overbay’s defense for too long. I remember Lind doing fine, and not making any significant mistakes in any game at all. He looked entirely like an average defensive 1B.

    “At this stage in his career Man-Ram can only DH, and sadly, that’s the best position for Adam Lind, a player that the Jays have locked up.”
    Why restrict Adam Lind to being a career DH when he looks fully capable of playing 1B? The DH position in the American League is made for old guys like Manny who can’t field anymore.

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