Joey Dorsey and Reggie Evans

Joey Dorsey
Season stats: 43 GP (nine starts), 12.1 MPG, 3.1 PPG, 52.5 FG%, 47.7 FT%, 4.4 RPG

Considering the fact that he’s only played in 61 career games over just three seasons, I thought Joey Dorsey was still a lot younger than 27-years-old. When you look at his season and career thus far with knowledge of his age, you realize that he’ll probably never be more than what he was this season for the Raptors.

Sure, Dorsey was always ready to come in and help the young Raps in any way he was asked, and performed admirably when called upon. But at the end of the day, he was still just the fifth or sometimes sixth big for Toronto.

Dorsey showed that he can be an excellent rebounder in the NBA, averaging over four boards a game in just 12 minutes per game, and collecting an impressive 20 rebounds on an April night in Milwaukee. He also showed some signs of being a nice finisher around the basket and an aggressive force taking the ball to the rim.

His biggest areas of weakness were his free throw shooting and his inconsistent defense, but I dare you to find anyone on this year’s Raptors squad that brought a consistent effort on the defensive end.

When you read this evaluation, you would get the impression that Joey Dorsey is a serviceable NBA big man in limited minutes, and you would be right. I totally agree with that assessment of Dorsey after watching him play this year. But again, if he hasn’t evolved into anything more than a “serviceable” player in limited minutes for a 60-loss team by the age of 27, it’s hard to see him doing it anytime in the near future.

Having said all of that, if it can be done for very cheap, I still wouldn’t mind having Dorsey around as an emergency big off of the bench.

Scott Carefoot’s take on Joey Dorsey: There are two things I would like you to know about Joey Dorsey. First: In the six games he played at least 20 minutes this season, he averaged 9.2 points, 12.5 rebounds, 1.3 blocks and 1.7 steals while shooting 47 percent from the field. Second: He could probably be re-signed for whatever a minumum-level contract will be under the new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Why wouldn’t any GM want a guy like this on his bench? Regardless, it seems as though he’s not part of the Raptors’ plans for next season. I don’t know why this is. There may be something about his attitude or off-court activities that makes him undesirable. All I know is that every time Dorsey was given significant playing time, he produced. Am I alone on the “Keep Joey Dorsey Bandwagon”?

Reggie Evans
Season stats: 30 GP (18 starts), 26.6 MPG, 4.4 PPG, 40.8 FG%, 54.5 FT %, 11.5 RPG, 1.3 APG, 1 SPG

Career stats: 572 GP, 19.5 MPG, 4.3 PPG, 46.6 FG%, 52.3 FT%, 6.9 RPG, 0.6 APG, 0.7 SPG

Given his hustle, his intensity, his toughness, the way he goes after rebounds and loose balls as if he was stranded on an island and they contained the necessities of life, and of course, given that fact that he has become a fan favourite in Toronto after just two seasons, you would think that Reggie Evans would warrant a long, individual post.

Instead, due to injuries that have limited him to just 58 total games over two seasons in T.O. and a smaller role, Reggie Evans ends up having to share a post with Joey Dorsey.

It didn’t have to be this way. In the pre-season of the 2009-2010 season, Evans had the ACC faithful chanting his name for his impressive hustle and spirit in October. Then a severely sprained foot kept him out of action until after February. By the time he got back on the court, the Raptors had trouble finding a role for him, he never looked comfortable, and the team spiraled into an astonishing collapse, missing the playoffs by one game.

In 2010-2011, it looked like Reggie’s revenge. The Iowa big man was tearing down rebounds at an astounding rate. Although it was very early in a season full of questions for the suddenly faceless Raptors, Evans looked like he could lead the NBA in rebounding, and the young Raps looked like a possible dark horse to stay in playoff contention. As we all know by now, Reggie went down with another serious injury, missed most of the season, and the Raptors bumbled and stumbled to 60 losses.

In just 58 regular season games and a couple of pre-season campaigns, Reggie Evans has teased Raptors fans with the type of hustle and blue-collar work ethic they have been yearning for for years. No one can deny that. Of course, if the price is right, I imagine every Raptors fan would like to have Reggie back to help guide this young, rebuilding team.

The question becomes, can there be a right price for a 31-year-old veteran that hasn’t played more than 30 games in a season in three years and has only played 70 games in a season four times in nine years?

Evans has been talking a good game about feeling like he owes the fans and the organization something, but I’m sure he’s also going to want some money for being a rebounding machine and a legitimate tough guy in a league growing softer by the minute. Not to mention, I would expect that if Reggie is going to settle for a small contract, it would be with a contending team that gives him an opportunity to compete for a championship.

We obviously don’t know what the Raptors’ roster will look like when they hit the court again, but as it stands right now, younger players with potential like Ed Davis, Amir Johnson and that confusing guy from the Primo Pasta commercials, are all in line for minutes ahead of Evans.

While I would love for the Raptors to be able to bring Reggie back and become a tougher team because of him, I just don’t see how it would work. Thanks for the memories, Reggie, but I think we’re going to have to watch you grab opponents’ balls in another uniform again.

Scott Carefoot’s take on Reggie Evans: I get why Reggie Evans is a fan favorite in Toronto. I really do. This doesn’t change the fact that he’ll be more expensive to re-sign than Joey Dorsey even though he is an inferior basketball player. Yeah, he has a great attitude, he’s a great locker-room guy, the fans love him, etc. If he’s a towel-waver and occasional energy guy on a winning team, he’s an asset. On a rebuilding team like the Raptors where Ed Davis and Amir Johnson play his position, he represents a wasteful use of cap space. I wish Reggie nothing but the best wherever he signs, but I hope it’s elsewhere.

Our next player evaluation post will be on Amir Johnson, so check back for that later this week. Also, in case you missed it, you can read Scott Carefoot’s recap of Bryan Colangelo’s appearance on Tim and Sid: Uncut.

Comments (12)

  1. Well said about Reggie Scott,

    I would take Dorsey over Reggie too. Dorsey is good value for money and replicates Reggie’s most valuable skill.

    I don’t know if the narratives about Reggie bringing out more intensity and toughness in his teammates is true or not, but it didn’t seem to me that Reggie made any difference to the defense.

    82 games.com says that both the Raps defense and offense was worse with Reggie on the floor and his 2 year-adj plus minus was negative. Meanwhile, Dorsey’s defensive impact was way positive, according to 82 games. Keep Dorsey.

  2. Statement: If Colangelo lets Dorsey go and keeps Reggie at 3-4 times the price, I’m going to lose even more faith in his GM abilities.

  3. Reggie, who I don’t trust to stay healthy, should only come back if he accepts the vet minimum and understands his role as the 3rd roster PF behind Amir & Ed.

    Bring back Joey even if Reggie is re-signed.

    Joey seems like a great guy to have on the end of the bench and in the locker room plus he’s a mini Dwight Howard which isn’t bad at all.

    KEEP JOEY aka Ben Grimm!!!

  4. Wow, those Dorsey numbers are surprising.

    My preference would also be to keep Dorsey over Evans considering that he’d be super cheap (I believe the qualifying offer to keep his rights is barely over a million) and offers more on the offensive end but based on his erratic playing time and Triano clearly favouring Evans being on the floor late in games, I’m sure the organization doesn’t feel the same way.

  5. Yeah, according to HoopsHype’s salary information, the qualifying offer to keep Dorsey around for an extra season would only be $1,091,100. Considering he actually looks like the better basketball player, and is younger and more durable, I can’t see any reason to over-pay for Reggie and let Joey walk.

  6. Why would we keep a tough rebounding big like Dorsey, when we could the smooth Euro stroke of Ajinca?

  7. A turning point for me this season where I really, irreversibly soured on Triano and this whole franchise was a game in New Orleans when Okafor had 12 offensive rebounds. Bargs stayed in the game while Dorsey rotted on the bench.

    I still get angry typing about it. Just total bush league bullshit, and it was typical. When Reggie was out with his injury, did Joey get Reggie’s minutes? Not even a damn fraction, and then Triano would be complaining about how he can’t make his guys (Amir and Ed) stronger. You have a fucking bull who is productive when he plays sitting on your bench! Use him!

    This was why I was sympathetic to Julian Wright when he refused to enter that blowout in GS. Oh, now you want a guy who’s going to bust his ass and play D once the game is totally out of hand, after you’ve sat his ass on the bench for 90% of the season even while your team is league worst in defence for a 2nd straight year?

    I am going to step away from the keyboard now, lest I try and explain why it’s not a good idea for a franchise to constantly reward lack of effort, mediocrity, and failure.

  8. Dribbles nailed it.

    Why the hell did guys like Dorsey and Wright rot when this team clearly needed defense, rebounding, toughness and hustle?

    Clearly it’s much more important that Bargnani averages his sloppy 20 per game than to have an entertaining product on the floor.

    Watching these playoffs really makes me envy team’s that actually try on D.

  9. woah slow down. this is the Toronto Raptors. we don’t want things like defensive rebounding or hustle anywhere near us. let’s sign a soft euro big with a smooth stroke from downtown and with good table manners.

  10. +1 for Dorsey over Evans

  11. Fans love Reggie. Fans pay to be in the seats.

    Since when did the Raptors make decisions based on basketball merits?

  12. Or we could end up drafting a big and keep neither of them.

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