Roughly six years ago, on February 28, 2006, Bryan Colangelo accepted the position of President and General Manager of the Toronto Raptors — exactly one day after he had resigned from the GM position with the Phoenix Suns. Raptors fans almost universally celebrated this announcement as a reason for great hope for the franchise’s future. Surely, Colangelo would work the same magic in Toronto that he had in Phoenix and the Raptors would imminently become an annual post-season fixture and a legitimate championship contender.

That optimism seemed to be well-founded after the Raptors improved from 27 wins to 47 wins in 2006-07, Colangelo’s first full season at the helm. With a roster turnover of nine new players including savvy foreign signings like Anthony Parker and Jorge Garbajosa, and with the promise of a potential future superstar in first overall draft pick Andrea Bargnani, Colangelo’s second NBA Executive of the Year award in three years was considered well-deserved. The Raptors’ first round playoff defeat at the hands of the New Jersey Nets appeared to be simply an example of the Raptors needing to get some post-season experience before they could succeed at that level.

Colangelo’s first full season has turned out to be the Raptors’ only winning season under his leadership. Their 194-251 record since the beginning of the 2006-07 season ranks 22nd in the NBA over that period. Of the eight teams with worse records — in order from bad to worst: the Bucks, Bobcats, Knicks, Grizzlies, Clippers, Wizards, Nets and Kings — only the Wizards and Kings didn’t change GMs during this timespan.

It’s important to recognize that every franchise situation is unique with its own challenges in terms of personnel, location, finances and the ongoing impact of previous management. Having said that, when Colangelo took this job in 2006, he inherited a team with cap space and a young star in Chris Bosh — and then he lucked into the first overall pick in the 2006 draft. Even the staunchest Colangelo defender would have to admit that he has not made the most of that opportunity.

In spite of the team’s subpar performance, Colangelo was granted a contract extension after last season for two more years with a club option for a third year. This almost certainly means he’ll remain in Toronto until the end of next season, but where should we set the bar to determine if he gets his option picked up or if he should be offered another extension? The obvious measurement would be a return to the playoffs next season — but as we saw after the 2006-07 season, making the playoffs is far from a guarantee of future success.

Ultimately, Colangelo will and probably should be judged by the moves he makes between now and next season’s trade deadline. Will he continue to try to accumulate young talent and easily movable players as part of a long-term vision? Or will he go all-in on an attempt to eke out a 2013 post-season berth in service of his own continued employment? Whatever you think of Colangelo’s management acumen, you know he’s well aware that recently-hired Executive VP Ed Stefanski could easily take his job if certain goals aren’t met.

I’m probably in the minority these days, but I think Colangelo is finally doing right by this team and I’d like to see him given a fair shot to carry out his vision for at least three more seasons. The fact that he’s begun a proper rebuilding phase with this team and that he was savvy enough to select Jonas Valanciunas with the fifth pick in the previous draft has instilled me with confidence that he has the franchise moving in the right direction. I know that many of you think he’s already been given enough time, and I can’t blame you for feeling that way. But I also believe that he’s a smart man who is willing to admit his mistakes and is capable of learning from them. If he ever makes another dumb move like the Hedo Turkoglu acquisition in 2009 (and yes, I thought it was dumb at the time), then I’ll throw my hands up with the rest of you and scream to the heavens, “Off with his head!” I’m confident he won’t make a blatantly obvious error like that again anytime soon.

My main problem with a lot of the Raptors fans who want Colangelo fired is that I never feel like they suggest a replacement that is both an obvious improvement and a realistic option. Could I name five NBA executives I would prefer to have running this team? Absolutely. Could I name 10 execs? Probably not, actually. Here’s the thing. Remember when David Kahn and Chris Wallace were competing for the title of “worst GM in the NBA”? How are their teams doing now? On the other side, how do you feel about Danny Ainge and Joe Dumars these days? The Orlando Magic have won at least 63 percent of their regular season games in each of their last four seasons and they’re on that same pace this season. Would you swap Colangelo for Otis Smith?

Firing a General Manager of a sports team is very different from ending a bad personal relationship. In life, you can choose to enjoy the single life for a while. In sports, you need to try to replace that GM with somebody who clearly has a superior pedigree. Since Pat Riley ain’t walking through that Air Canada Centre door, I’ll stay on #TeamBC for a little while longer.

Comments (37)

  1. I’m willing to let Colangelo see this rebuild through since this is the first time he has actually embraced the rebuild. We get JV next season along with a pick likely in the 4-8 range. Add in all that cap space and we should see a vast improvement next year and playoffs within 2 years. If we don’t start to see that improvement then it is time to give somebody else a shot at running/ruining this team.

    • I’ve been a Raptor fan since the beginning. First and foremost, I think that the ineptitude of the franchise begins with the owners. If you think about it we’ve made some solid draft picks relatively speaking but there is no consistency in the franchise. Coaches and GMs come and go. That being said, BC has really set the franchise back. I’m not sure what the fans are seeing but none of the young players on the roster are going to be elite players. Young players are only valuable if they’re good! Cap space wont matter because big name players wont sign in Toronto. I like Jonas but besides this BC hasn’t done much. I personally think we gave up on Grunwald too quickly. He put together the best team in Raps history and he did it through the draft and savy free agent pick ups.

  2. Slight correction, the Raptors also made the playoffs in 2007-2008 and were 42-40 so saying that 2006-2007 was the last winning season for Colangelo is not true.

    “My main problem with a lot of the Raptors fans who want Colangelo fired is that I never feel like they suggest a replacement that is both an obvious improvement and a realistic option.”

    That’s asking too much from your casual every day NBA fan, heck, it might be asking for too much from even the hardcores. People simply don’t pay enough to the organizational structure of teams or know things like the contract situations of current GMs or the highly sought after assistants.

    I’m sure there’s a logical fallacy involved in a statement like that but I am too dumb to know which one. I know Colangelo has done a horrific job, I don’t know who would be an adequate replacement because I’m not educated enough about executives around the league, that does not mean that lack of knowledge on my part negates the shitty job Colangelo has done or that his future should be up in the air for said shitty job.

    His “pedigree” has already helped him last 6 seasons, I don’t think that alone should give him another shot. If you’re going to go through a full rebuilding plan, you might as well hire a young executive who will stick it out like a Sam Presti instead of keeping on a guy who has proven to be inconsistent in what he wants to do and will always be trigger happy in wanting to go for the quick fix.

  3. PBI: I hear what you’re saying about giving a young, innovative exec a chance. But realistically, if the Raptors fire Colangelo, they’re almost certainly giving his job to Stefanski.

    • Isn’t that the same Ed Stefanski that made one of our former GM Rob Babcock look like a fool when Vince Carter was traded to the Nets for absolutely nothing?

    • They just signed Colangelo to a contract extension knowing the team was going to blow this year. Their not going to just fire him.

  4. Also, you’re overlooking the Calderon/Evans for Chandler/Diaw trade which was agreed to in 2010, that didn’t sound like a GM who wanted to rebuild.

    You can rave all you want about what he’s done over the last year and a half but the fact is, the only reason he is doing what he’s doing is because his hand was completely forced. He’s shown several signs that it’s something he doesn’t want to do.

  5. I think BC has done a great job rebuilding here. He took a situation that was devistated by the loss of Bosh (even if he wasn’t a true franchise player, they did build it around him here) and has created a situation where the top prospect — the first true centre this franchise has ever had (apologies to the out-of-position AD and CB4 and end-of-career Kevin Willis and Hakeem) — is on his way over next year and is looking not only like a beast in the middle but an absolute steal at number 5 in the draft. He’s got a veteran coach with a championship ring to grow with the team, a nucleus of youngsters, and a ton of cap space and expiring contracts coming up. Now will be the time to judge him, but I think he’s done a tremendous job. I wouldn’t give up on him.

    And it’s also worth mentioning that BC has gone far beyond what his role as GM and President of the Raptors calls for. He’s aware of the special role the franchise has as the lone NBA club in Canada, and he’s been working with Canada Basketball and helping to grow the game across the country. Grunwald was maybe the only other executive or coach to do that, and I think it really helps with the teams image. And he could just focus on the Raptors and leave Canada Basketball to others, so good on him for doing that.

    • That situation didn’t have to be so devastating if we had faced reality a little bit earlier.

      We should have collected more assets from bosh when we had the chance.

  6. i hope Colangelo sticks to rebuilding and doesnt try to make a push for the playoffs anytime soon, this team is a long way from being a serious competitor

  7. I think that Colangelo is doing a great job in Toronto…If the Raptors over the years have not done well it comes down to one simple reason….Elite NBA players don’t want to play in Canada!!. They do not get the market exposure they get in the States. The best we can do here is to go for the top draft picks…It sure doesn’t seem like rocket science to me..I mean cmon can you imagine someone like Kobe wanting to play in Toronto??? So leave Colangelo alone…as far as I can see we are lucky to have him.

    • While Colangelo certain has valid excuses for his inability to build a contender, San Antonio, Oklahoma, Dallas and Boston have either won titles or in Oklahoma’s case, been a contender, without attracting elite free agents. Players don’t want to come to mediocre teams. Toronto’s problem has not been it’s geographic location, but it’s location in the standings.

      Stoudemire left due to his allegiance with Isiah Thomas, McGrady left because of a perceived lack of respect and to escape Vince’s immense shadow, Vince left because he had zero confidence in Babcock (and rightly so) and Bosh left because Colangelo failed to build a winner around him.

      Notice that not one of those reasons had to do with Toronto being in Canada.

      The fact is that most contenders become that way not because of attracting elite talent, but due to good drafting and trades. And good players are not likely to leave a contender.

      • While Colangelo certain has valid excuses for his inability to build a contender, San Antonio, Oklahoma, Dallas and Boston have either won titles or in Oklahoma’s case, been a contender, without attracting elite free agents. Players don’t want to come to mediocre teams. Toronto’s problem has not been it’s geographic location, but it’s location in the standings.

        Agreed 100%. Attracting the players we needed wasn’t an issue when the team was hot. It’s a crutch, that gets floated too often.

  8. I think you have to keep the BC impact personal. You can’t objectify things into: young all-star, cap space, #1 pick. Sure, that sounds awesome if your young all-star is Dwayne Wade, your #1 pick is Black Griffin, and your cap space comes in an off-season where top tier free agents are available. You could have done all that if your timing was right. Unfortunately for Raptors fans, the “young all-star” was Chris Bosh, the #1 pick was (for most people) going to be Bargnani, Brandon Roy, or Rudy Gay, and the cap space was poorly timed. Big difference between what was available for the Raptors and what could have been available with different timing.

    Even considering all that, most of the moves Colangelo made in trying to surround Chris Bosh with competent players was lauded at the time by fans and media. O’Neal looked like a good idea at the time, Turkoglu had just come off being the most dominant player on the losing team in the NBA finals, Marion had been an all-star, good role players were picked up from overseas and in the D-League, etc. etc.

    All that to say, a GM can only work with reality, not fantasy. I certainly am not convinced that clearly better moves were available during BC’s attempts to build around Bosh.

    PBI – BC is certainly not the only NBA GM who hates the thought of spending several seasons at the bottom of the league. Why are you pissed about having a competitive GM who will only take the path of losing as a last resort? It makes sense to me.

    I also think he needs 2-3 more seasons before calling a final judgement. His first few seasons were spent building around Bosh (many of us declared that doomed from the start anyway); give the front office time to work on this rebuild.

    • “PBI – BC is certainly not the only NBA GM who hates the thought of spending several seasons at the bottom of the league. Why are you pissed about having a competitive GM who will only take the path of losing as a last resort?”

      Well, because spending several seasons at the bottom of the league is the only way you are going to build a winner that is sustainable in Toronto. I want a GM who’s aware of the disadvantages that come with building a team in this city. He shouldn’t be lauded for being delusional and thinking there is going to be a quick fix here.

      I’m ready for a rebuild, I’d just like someone who is fully committed to it and hasn’t shown a history of attempting to take shortcuts.

  9. Scott, you also make a great point about the rise and fall of other GM`s. Fans were calling for Danny Ainge’s head just before he happened upon KG and Ray-Ray. Next thing he was a golden boy. Now? They’re getting ready to string him up again. There is a tremendous illusion of control when it comes to general managing an NBA franchise. A great deal of the opportunity and timing is beyond the control of any individual. Think “Outliers.”

  10. While I haven’t agreed with a lot of what Colangelo has done, I think what he had at the beginning sounds much better than it actually was. Yes, he had loads of cap space, but in a year without any impact free agents and few decent ones. Yes, he got a number one pick, but in a weak draft without a sure-fire All Star. And yes, he had a young, All-Star big man, but a big man who wasn’t good enough to be a best player on a contender and who wasn’t your typical defensive force in the middle and post up threat.

    In reality, there really wasn’t much Colangelo could have done.with the hand he was dealt.

    He certainly made mistakes which I disagreed with, at the time, but I think most fans are happy with the direction of the team.

    If he continues in the same direction, If he tries to push a mediocre team to the playoffs, then he will lose my support. At this point, though, he’s still got it.

  11. Tim W.

    You make some valid points, however I still feel that the team’s location plays a role…Also I can’t even fault him for bringing Turkoglu in ..as how was he to know that Hedo was going to change and become the biggest lazy whiny baby in the NBA…Regardless..Colangelo himself it would seem is quite happy to be in Toronto..I hear he has applied for Canadian Citizenship, and that is saying alot considering his Father’s involvement in U.S.A basketball.,,

    • Hedo didn’t change, it was just a terrible fit.

      Hedo’s biggest strength is his ability to handle the ball and Orlando is one of a handful of teams in the NBA where he can do that on a regular basis because of the lack of any point guard who can handle the ball/run an offense on the roster.

      His production here was on par for his career, unfortunately for him, we had Calderon, someone who can run an offense which led to frustration on his part and the epic “ball” post game interview.

    • The team’s location has really played very little role in the team’s lack of success. About the only time it ever has was when the Raptor’s had cap room and had to settle for Turkoglu after Ariza agreed to take less to sign with Houston. And who knows whether that had to do with location or the fact that he liked the Rockets franchise more. And it’s not like Ariza was going to make the Raptors a contender.

      Most players care FAR more about winning and whether they have confidence in management than a team’s location. And those that don’t aren’t players you really want to sign, anyway.

      In truth, a lot of Raptor fans have blown a couple of ignorant comments over the year way out of proportion. It’s consistently mentioned as one of the more well liked NBA cities among NBA players. Can Toronto compete with cities like Miami, Los Angeles and New York? No, but that’s the case with just about every other NBA city.

      And I’ve got to agree with PBI on Turkoglu. His laziness was well known long before he signed with Toronto. It’s one reason San Antonio didn’t try very hard to re-sign him after a season with the Spurs. He was a poor fit with the Raptors, but after being spurned by Ariza, with not much else left among free agents, Colangelo felt he had to do something if he had any hope of keeping Bosh. Like trading for Jermaine O’Neal, it was a bit of a desperate move that simply didn’t work.

  12. First off, great discussions going on here in the comments. Good way to procrastinate for me.

    Secondly, I find it hard to judge a GM to be honest. Yes, there are those who appear almost flawless, such as Pat Riley, Sam Presti and Kevin Pritchard (imo) but then the in-betweens are difficult to figure out. I just say this looking at guys such as David Khan (Wolves GM? Not sure if I got the name right). For years everyone looked at him and thought what the hell is he doing?? Although I’m pretty sure no one thinks he’s exec of the year now, just look at the Wolves and tell me they aren’t exciting, fun to watch and actually winning games. Same thing with Memphis. Even Danny Ainge (I remember this a 100%) was hated by Celtics fans who wanted him fired.

    So point is, it’s difficult to know when things will finally “click”. Ya, I do agree that Colengelo should’ve started this rebuild a lot earlier and the Kapono and the Turk signings made no sense but he doesn’t strike me as a hopeless and clueless GM. Point is, I wouldn’t mind letting him keep this rebuild going provided he sticks to the formula he is using now.

    Although the one thing I still don’t like about Colengelo is his drafting. He’s really never made an impact in that area. But maybe JV will be the difference.

    • “Although the one thing I still don’t like about Colengelo is his drafting. He’s really never made an impact in that area. But maybe JV will be the difference.”

      That’s probably been his biggest strength as an executive. He hasn’t been here long enough to judge for his drafts just yet but he’s had very few misses when you look at his entire career as an GM.

      • he’s been here 6 years and thats not long enough to judge his draft selections? I think that says all that needs to be said about his draft selections

  13. Very interesting discussion. I have wanted to be a Colangelo believer since he took over from the largely imcompetant Babcock It’s always been exciting to dissect the latest trade or acquisition and I too have been guilty of swallowing the Kool-aid on many of these moves and hoping for some real improvement (a second round appearance?).

    My big beefs from the past few years are three:

    1. The lack of recognition that Chris Bosh was not a true franchise player to anchor/lead a team and worthy of a max. contract and then trying to get something significant back for the asset you had before it was too late (sorry for the run-on sentence but it’s late at night). Even with the sorry state of the Hornets right now I’d still love to have the package they got for Paul or what the Nuggets got for Anthony under similar circumstances. Now who knows? Maybe this was the MLSE board overruling Brian and telling him he had to hang on to Bosh and try to resign him, but it seemed out of character for him to put up with that.

    2. The lack of recognition (until recently) that defencive proficiency is required to get anywhere in the NBA playoffs (unless you actually have Steve Nash running your team). He claimed he wasn’t trying to create Phoenix East but many of his major personnel decisions were almost completely focused on the offensive side with defence being an afterthought. I’ve never seen any evidence that Brian took the deep statistical analysis of players that seriously when he was dealing with the reluctance of MLSE to spend significantly over the cap, and the reality of being a small market team in the perception of many U.S born players. He needed any edge he could get at the time to be ultra-efficient with his money.

    3. The lack of any meaningful lower 1st round or 2nd round draft picks. He kept giving away our 2nd round picks and never seemed to make any serious effort to aquire a second 1st rounder when he had the chance to Getting a decent player in the top ten should be a no-brainer (an actual star is a different matter unless you’re in the top two or three) but the best GMs and their scouts prove their real worth by finding gems lower down at cheaper contracts. Colangelo did well with some of the overlooked European players initially, but he needs to be taking the draft more seriously to have a successful sustainable (San Antonio, Oklahoma) franchise rather than one stuck in mediocrity. On that note, with the lack of rookies this year, and the fact that we are really playing for hope and ping-pong balls, why are we wasting roster spots with Butler and Carter? The veteran leadership idea has some merit but we should be taking this opportunity to bring in some players (D-league or wherever) on some 10 day contracts to see if we can find our own Jeremy Lin while it doesn’t hurt us to give some kid a chance.

    I am excited by JV and our luck/skill at acquiring him and the choice of Casey (if we couldn’t get Adelman for whatever reason). What Brian does between now and October will really show whether he is trying to set us up for a long run of success or, in making the “big splash” or “hitting the ground running”, he creates yet another jigsaw team whose pieces don’t fit together properly. I do like the guy and believe he is sincere in wanting to win in spite of his media-friendly slickness and the fancy cuffs. I’m still hoping to be pleasantly surprised…

    Another long long suffering fan

    • Not Drafting Aldridge is the reason we don’t have Bosh!!!! MLSE has forced BC to hire a new GM, Scouting Staff and Casey to help with the Draft and choosing better players. Going after WC is a huge red flag to me though – liked what he did with JJ seemed like a dumb move at the time! Unlike the other fans I like Bayless: Quick first step; Breaks his man down off the dribble; Create his own shot – think he will be ok when his shot starts to fall again. I agree with MLSE, good deal maker – if we could only point him in the right direction. I say we keep BC and change the pieces around him again, if things are not working out!!!!

  14. Interesting article and comments.

    A couple of things

    1. PBI- ““My main problem with a lot of the Raptors fans who want Colangelo fired is that I never feel like they suggest a replacement that is both an obvious improvement and a realistic option.”

    That’s asking too much from your casual every day NBA fan, heck, it might be asking for too much from even the hardcores. People simply don’t pay enough to the organizational structure of teams or know things like the contract situations of current GMs or the highly sought after assistants.

    ‘I’m sure there’s a logical fallacy involved in a statement like that but I am too dumb to know which one. I know Colangelo has done a horrific job, I don’t know who would be an adequate replacement because I’m not educated enough about executives around the league, that does not mean that lack of knowledge on my part negates the shitty job Colangelo has done or that his future should be up in the air for said shitty job.”

    If BC had indeed done a shitty job then the satement above would hold some weight.

    Lets take a look at BC tenure with the raps.

    Every Raps fan I have ever spoken to unanimously agrees that Rafael Araujo may be the worst pick not only in raptors history but possibly in the history of the NBA. In BC’s first move with the Raps he traded that dud for Robert Whaley and Kris Humphries. This is one of many highly overlooked move in which the Raptors got something for nothing. Next BC moves CharlieV for T.J Ford who experienced a breakout year with the Raps. Then he goes out and signs 2 impact players that were not on any other teams radar. Last move of that year he drafted the most talented player in that draft. B.Roy had knee problems and Rudy was raw plain and simple. Lamarcus was CB4 2.0 and no one saw Rando coming. It was the right pick.
    2007 BC trade 2 2nd rounders for Carlos Delifino and signed a very fortunate specialist in Jason Kapono. (Kapono had just come off the 4th best 3 point% in NBA history)

    Say what you want about the T.J and Roy Hibbert deal for J.O. Everyone liked it at the time. NBA people and fans alike were clamoring for Toronto to get a force in the middle and they got it.

    The business of sports is an imperfect science hinging largely on timing and need. BC has filled every need for the raps at every turn. Unfortunately the players available at the time of the need were subpar. The deals were not. No GM would have dealt Bosh, the NBA was an executive run league at that time. The big 3 changed that.

    BC just sent WC away for reportedly wanting around 10 million per year. Raps fans are screaming to get a deal done with Chandler. When BC signs him for about 6.5 per this summer it will be yet another good move done by a great executive.

    Keep stock piling the youngsters BC raps fans will jump back on your bandwagon when your vision comes to fruition.

  15. When I read the title, I knew PBI (Brainless Conman) would be all over it…and I have to say, you are keeping it real and intelligent.

    In another forum, I likened the Raptors fan base as “Colangelo’s Fat Girlfriend”. Yeah, we fell hard for him at first. He was all stylish and looking fine, and he banged a lot better looking chicks than us! So we were thrilled to have him!

    Every time he strays from perfection, (Hedo, J_O’Neil, Bargs at 1, etc), we make up all kinds of excuses why he is still the best thing that ever happened to us. Shucks.

    I agree with PBI, that “That’s asking too much from your casual every day NBA fan” to find a replacement (really, did anyone see BC quitting Phoenix and coming here when it happened? Did anyone even dare to dream this?) and I dont have a solution either.

    I currently stand on two fronts. 1) That the NBA is turning into MLB and we will have only 4-5 relevant teams..making us a feeder team. 2) The Raps DO have an interesting future with JV and cash…something better happen.

    I’m no Leaf fan. I wont stick around and support a consistent looser. These next two years are BIG ones.

  16. How much patience do I have in Colangelo? None. Guy has made mistep after mistep along the way. His best year in Toronto was in perhaps the worst season the eastern conference has ever seen, as as the east has progressed this team unsuprisingly has fallen to the wayside.

    So now he is, 2-3 years late, finally rebuilding? Except is he really? He’s using a couple picks…. and what? This team plays different than last year thanks to coach casey, but looks the same. And the players that fit in Casey’s system are unfortunately not young guys that were supposed to be a big part of the ‘core’ moving forward. 3/5s of the starting lineup from 2009/10 is still the starting lineup today… and likely will be the starting lineup next year to…. thats a rebuild?

    Colangelo should have never been resigned in the first place but that can’t be helped now. He’ll have my patience again when he moves on from all the mistakes that are still on this team right now, looks to stock pile draft picks, and starts rebuilding when he has a real franchise player…. not the ones he just labels (Bosh/Bargnani/Derozan) and begs the fans patience because he’s to arrgonant to recognize the mistake

  17. First, before you fire Colangelo, can we ask him first, if there are really good NBA players who really want to play in Canada. Jermaine O’Neal complained about the tax, H. Turkoglu about the weather. Chris Bosh about Canada “being different”. I even read that Leandro Barbosa when asked if Varejao, will play in Toronto his answer is “I don’t think so “too cold”!!!! Vince Carter once said in an article ” they can shovel all the snow they want”.

    That is why you can’t blame BC if all he is getting are European players .. And the thing about “it’s all about winning” is all B**L S**T!!!!

    • I was born and raised in Canada, and have lived here for all but one year of my entire life. I’ve complained about the weather, taxes, the cold, shovelling snow among other things. Does that mean I don’t want to be here?

      This reminds me of when David Duchovny went on Letterman and made on offhand remark about the rain here in Vancouver. The city went nuts. I don’t think I’ve met one person living in Vancouver who HASN’T complained about the rain.

      The lesson here? Canadians can be a tad sensitive.

  18. I love this LOL…I could talk basketball all day..Here I am a Canadian and I don’t really care about what goes on in hockey…just basketball…so these forums are great…but no one has commented on my mention that Colangelo is going to become a Canadian ciitizen…I think this is a big deal..what is his Dad Jerry going to say?

  19. Off-hand comments by players experiencing culture-shock and/or jaded players who have just left the team….those mean nothing.

    I’ve worked overseas and made plenty of similar comments about my experience of where I was living…..

    I’ll believe Toronto has a serious disadvantage when players start rejecting bigger contracts in TO to play for lesser contracts in crap American cities….or even high profile American cities, for that matter. NO ONE will ever turn down, say 5 mil/year in TO to play in a middling US city for 4 mil/year. This, in my mind, would constitute a geographical disadvantage. It has never happened, and it never will.

    Very rarely a guy will leave a middling city for a high-profile one (ex. Shaq leaving Orlando for LA). These cases are unusual and well documented.

  20. Does Colangelo deserve another chance to turn this around? Probably not.

    At this point in the rebuild does it really hurt to let him try? Probably not.

    I’m willing to let Colangelo have one more rebuild, though part of the reason for my willingness is that the lockout has sapped most of my interest in basketball, so I won’t be paying much attention anyways.

    It’ll probably take two years to know if Colangelo’s rebuild is going to have any success or not. If by that point it’s obvious it’s going nowhere, he should be gone too.

    I don’t buy the “no one would come here” argument–no one thought Colangelo would come here, and yet here he is. Surely we can attract someone with just as much credential.

    I do, however, buy the idea that Stefanski would probably get handed the job if they fired BC, so for those fans among us who assume that Colangelo’s latest rebuild will fail, hope that Stefanski gets another GM gig somewhere before we fire BC.

  21. How has Colangelo done a ‘good’ or even ‘great’ job with rebuilding? What are people basing this on?

    There are, arguably, zero proven starters on our roster, apart from perennially injured Andrea. Our record is turrible. Is it cause we have Jonas Valanciunas? I just had to look his name up to figure out how to spell it, cause he’s never played a game!

    Surely we haven’t lowered standards to the point where drafting someone who has played well in Europe, not signing stupid mid-level type 5 year contracts for ONE offseason, and unabashedly tanking the following season with young but unproven players, constitutes a ‘good rebuild’. This is a prebuild. Anybody could do this.

    Second question: What has he done, with the Raptors, that was impressive? The one time where he almost fleeced the Bobcats, is the only thing that comes to my mind, and it didn’t even end up happening.

    And, as far as, wanting to keep Colangelo because his replacement could turn out to be Otis Smith, c’mon now that’s a bit flawed. If my bus driver almost crashed every day on the way to work, I wouldn’t want him to keep his job, just cause I don’t know any other good bus drivers.

    We’re slipping further and further into irrelevancy and, apart from a great trade this deadline/offseason and a really good draft, I dunno how people can justify keeping him on as GM for more seasons.

  22. cdawg read my previous comment, thats what hes done^^

    Also, DD is a stud in the making people have to be patient. AB is truly an all star and staying committed to keeping their cap space along with another high pick in the draft, this team is right where they need to be going forward.

    I understand most people here dont have a clue about the business of this sport and just pray that we trade jose and LB for a player with a name. But that’s not how ood teams are built. To build a winner is very difficult and it takes time. That’s the process we are in now. Most teams get lucky in the draft and build around their top 3 pick. We haven’t had that kind of luxury unfortunetly BC has to do it the hard way and if you look at this team, hes doing a great job. ED DD JJ JV and JB are a real core to build a winner around its now just about adding to the talent already here.

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