Rudy Gay Press Conference

With Oliver posting his case for keeping Bryan Colangelo yesterday, it’s time that I dig into the case against extending Colangelo.

I probably maintained faith in the man they call B.C. longer than most, and in truth, am always one shrewd Colangelo move away from being back on the B.C. bandwagon, as it seems most others are as well. There’s something about him that makes you at least want to believe. As a teenager myself when Colangelo arrived in Toronto, he restored respectability and relevance to my beloved Raptors. When the team won 47 games and its first division title in his first full season at the helm, it seemed the heights of our future successes were as tall as his trademark collars.

But alas, while Colangelo seemed to have a Midas touch for that first year on the job, nearly every major transaction Bryan has signed off on since then has backfired, and while deep down there is probably a Colangelo fan waiting to reemerge in many of us, the decision of whether or not to extend or fire a sports executive comes down to business. And from a business perspective, we’re talking about a team that looks destined to miss the playoffs for a fifth straight season for the first time in franchise history. And that’s really saying something considering how futile this franchise’s history has been.

Of course, losing faith in Colangelo runs much deeper than simply missing the playoffs again…

Whether it was Jason Kapono or Jermaine O’Neal or Hedo Turkoglu, a string of Colangelo acquisitions just seemed to dig the Raptors deeper and deeper into an inescapable hole. Sure, he was able to quickly rid himself of those mistakes and you can also point to some poor coaching and injuries as scapegoats for failed seasons between 2008 and 2010, but they were his mistakes in the first place and the coaches were put in place by Colangelo himself. He decided to keep Sam Mitchell on once he got here and he decided that Jay Triano was qualified to be a full-time head coach in the NBA in a season that held the team’s franchise player in the balance, so even putting those under-achieving seasons on the coaches’ shoulders is still putting the blame on Colangelo’s decision making.

In recent years Colangelo has bounced back by drafting well, but the team was able to draft DeMar DeRozan and Ed Davis because of those two seasons of failure (2008-09 and 2009-10). Jonas Valanciunas and Terrence Ross were drafted after seasons where the team was openly rebuilding, which is fine, but with Valanciunas, let’s remember that he fell into the Raptors’ lap when the Cavaliers made the ridiculous decision to pass on him (regular RaptorBlog readers know that while I think Canadian Tristan Thompson has a bright NBA future, the Cavs missed the boat by passing on Valanciunas since Cleveland still would have had Kyrie Irving on the court in 2011-12 while Valanciunas was overseas) and it’s still too early to tell whether Ross was the right pick at No. 8 in 2012, though I do like his potential as an athletic wing who can shoot and defend.

Then there’s Colangelo’s rush to not only extend but also overpay his own guys. Andrea Bargnani received a five-year extension worth around $50 million in the summer of 2009 despite struggling through plenty of inconsistency through his first three NBA seasons. Most recently, DeRozan was handed a four-year extension worth $38 million despite many obvious holes and flaws still apparent in his game. Don’t get me wrong, DeMar has shown some encouraging improvements this season on his quest to become a more complete player, specifically with his passing and court vision, but his current level of play still isn’t worth $9.5 million per year and the fact that another team might have offered him as much this summer doesn’t change that. Heck, at the rate Colangelo was handing out extensions to his own lottery picks, one can only imagine what kind of offer Ed Davis would have received had he remained a Raptor, since he’s probably more productive right now than Bargnani or DeRozan were through three seasons.

As for Colangelo’s latest big moves to acquire Kyle Lowry and Rudy Gay, I’m hopeful but also realistic. I’m a big fan of Kyle Lowry’s overall game, maintain that he can be a top-10 point guard in the NBA and also don’t think that any draft prospect in the Raptors’ range this season would have been any better than Lowry going forward. But until Lowry’s impressive individual numbers translate into a successful Raptors team or until the Raptors can lock him up as their point guard of the future with an extension, it’s still too early to unequivocally call the acquisition a win.

With respect to Gay, he arrived with a bang by knocking down a couple of game-winners and leading the Raptors on a 7-3 run that got the team back into playoff contention in the East for a couple of days, but since then fans have seen some troubling signs of the same old Raptors, specifically in disappointing losses to the Wizards and Cavs. As I wrote last week, trying to judge a trade of this magnitude this early is just an impossible task and I’m nowhere near ready to call it a failure. But I also don’t understand how some fans can view it as an absolute success when the Raptors, who are 8-7 with Gay in the lineup, went from really bad to merely mediocre while the Grizzlies, who were already the vastly superior team, have gone 11-4 since the trade.

Before I conclude, no Colangelo piece can be written without mention of the incredibly frustrating patience and dedication he’s shown to Bargnani through the years while the rest of the basketball world saw a supremely talented player who would never capitalize on those talents in the NBA. More than anything, the fact that it took Colangelo seven years to recognize what most of us figured out long ago with regards to Bargnani is probably his most fatal error in Toronto.

At the end of the day, I’m probably more optimistic than most about the athletic young core Colangelo has assembled here, but I’m also realistic to know that it’s far from talented enough to be a slam dunk success. Right now, it remains only “potential,” “promise” and “hope,” and in recent years, potential and hope haven’t translated to anything tangible for Colangelo and the Raptors.

This situation may very well play out the way it has for Brian Burke and the Maple Leafs, where a team almost entirely built by Burke is now proving to be a team on the rise in the NHL while he watches from afar after being let go. Perhaps Colangelo will be in another city next season watching this young Raptors core rising the ranks of the NBA.

It may seem unfair for the guy who put the core together, but sometimes that’s just the way the business goes. After all, in the business of professional sports, how often does a General Manager who’s missed the playoffs for five straight seasons and who’s on track for a 45-50 loss season without a draft pick to show for it get to see that core through to the next stage?

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UPDATE: Just hours after I posted this, Bill Simmons posted his take on the worst contracts in the NBA. While I’m aware that Simmons’ opinion isn’t the be-all and end-all when it comes to the NBA, I found it worth a share that three of the 10 worst contracts according to Simmons were concocted by Colangelo. Landry Fields is No. 10, Hedo Turkoglu is No. 9 and Andrea Bargnani is No. 5.

If you’re wondering, Rudy Gay comes in at No. 25 and Simmons writes that “this trade could still work out for Toronto if Gay ever stops throwing up bricks” before ripping Colangelo over Marc Spears’ report that the Raptors are already looking to extend Gay.

Comments (48)

  1. Well written post.

    I think the last two paragraphs are a nice summary to the situation and the comparison to Burke is well put.

    I’ll admit I’m a part of the group who has the ideation of seeing what BC could do. As stated above, he did put a promising young core group of players together, I think it’s time to see what someone else could do with that.

    Question – Is there any GM who has had this similar situation and lasted this long or longer?

    • Give or take some years, there are plenty other bad ones who’ve survived their jobs: Joe Dumars, Ernie Grunfeld, David Kahn, Geoff Petrie. Be careful what you wish for, Raptors fans.

      • JOE DUMARS HAS WON AS A GM WAKE UP!

      • Errr…Dumars has won a championship as a GM, lost another finals, and been to 3 other conference finals with the Pistons. It is ludicrous to put him on that list with some of those other gms. He has seem to have messed up this last bout of Free Agency that came with cap clearing…but they’re gearing up again.

  2. to be fair to colangelo – he had to do a 180 and build a new plan/ strategy once bosh left.
    When we had Bosh, he searched far and wide to find that complementary piece unfortunatley JO and Hedo were complete disasters. I think his biggest failure was not moving bosh for a tangible, valuable piece. He probably could have been justifiably fired that offseason.

    Since than his philoophy has changed. he has built more of an athletic, defence orientated roster. The past 2-3 years the players drafted have the potential to make an impact on the defensive end.I still like BC, I think the Raptors albeit unsuccessful on the court they have turned into at the very least a respectable franchise.

    • All the moves he when Bosh was here was made towards building around AB as the focal point and star. None of those moves made Bosh better.

      Ever hear of a team called Benetton Treviso?

    • The job Colangelo did before Bosh wasn’t very good, and he should have had a decent plan in case Bosh left, so he’s not excused for that.

      And while the team is more athletic, it’s hard to say it’s much better defensively. It just SEEMS like it should be good defensively, but Lowry and Gay are wildly inconsistent defenders, DeRozan is mediocre, at best, and now that Bargnani is back in the starting lineup, well, enough said.

  3. Definitely agree with the letting go of Colangelo. After 7 years, it’s tough to make a case as to why he deserves to continue to be the GM.

    Just a terrible use of team assets over the years with no real plan in place other than to make sure he got his extension this summer.

    Realistically, I don’t even think this current core will amount to much. I think an absolute best case scenario of this team is they get a 5-6 seed and make it to the second round of the playoffs in a couple of years. But it’s probably much more likely that this team never makes it to the second round.

    Also think the trading of Ed Davis was a huge mistake. I would be a little more optimistic if the core of the team was Ross-Davis-JV and still rebuilding around those guys.

  4. Oliver and Joseph would have me choose between the romanticized notion that Colangelo is always just one or two trades away from a glorious new era, or the angry cynical notion that Colangelo may be adept at covering his mistakes but lacks the vision to truly build a Raptors team which is anything more than mediocre. I think there’s something else which plays a factor here which people would prefer to forget, and which Colangelo has enough of a burnished image to misdirect people from.

    The fact of the matter is that many of Colangelo’s moves, including some of his least popular ones, served at the time to advance the objectives of the franchise as a business at the time – first, to try to build a winner around Chris Bosh, then to retain Bosh’s services for as long as possible, then to try to retain hope and fan interest in the post-Bosh era until the franchise was in a better position to generate hope and interest on its own. These objectives were sometimes neutral with regards to the objectives of winning and eventual playoff success, and were sometimes actively at cross purposes with them. In particular, if the franchise would have dealt Chris Bosh at the time which in retrospect they should have – heading into the final year of his contract – many of the fans would have felt angry and betrayed, and they would have probably abandoned the team for a while; neither of these reactions is conducive to growing revenue or a fan base.

    I do think that, much to the dismay of many fans, MLSE is not likely to go looking for a better appraiser, obtainer and retainer of talent for the Raptors unless they can find one who is Colangelo’s equal in business savvy and public relations. Executives with ability in all three spheres are not going to be easy to come by, however, and it is likely MLSE will stick with the one they’ve got unless the team starts becoming progressively less profitable. Given the interest in the franchise that the acquisitions of Lowry and Gay has generated, i don’t think that’s particularly likely over the short term, and with further development within the Lowry/Gay/Derozan/A. Johnson/Valanciunas/Ross core and the possibility of additional assets in trade, the team may not perform poorly enough in the long term to make this likely either.

    On the bright side… I do think the core I just mentioned will be good enough to make the Raptors a playoff team sooner rather than later, even if in the end that core may never be enough to mount a serious threat to the multi-superstar powerhouse teams of that inevitably coalesce and win championship titles. This team has come a long way, but at this point, it is still years away from being a championship team from a business point of view.

    • This times 1000

    • Hard not to agree with your statement. Truly, given the dynamics and structure of how the basketball operations of MLSE were setup with the hiring of Colangelo, everything you said is the reality that fans should swallow.

      This is a hockey-loving city. I’m willing to bet that the Board of MLSE does not have any members with sophisticated basketball knowledge. Without that person who people respect and can actually act as a “check and balance” to Colangelo, what Colangelo says in terms of basketball is practically gold. There would be no one above him in that organization who would be willing to challenge him on the questionable decisions he’s made in the past because they wouldn’t have confidence in their knowledge of basketball to do so.

      People need to picture this whole scenario from a business/organizational perspective. Colangelo is the PRESIDENT of basketball operations. Anyone whose seen organizational charts would know that this would likely make Colangelo the top dog and authority for the ENTIRE basketball division of this organization with ONLY the Board and (I’m guessing) general CEO above him. If NO ONE above him has any respectable level of basketball knowledge, all Colangelo has to do is know how to present his decisions (which we all know he does well – that corporate snake with the silver tongue).

      Ultimately, the people above Colangelo would only have clout when it comes to judging him on the bottom line. And as Waterboy mentioned, given that games are still selling out despite the Raptors not making the playoffs in years basically cements that the bottom line is not in jeopardy. And as all shrewd business-people do, Colangelo has done just enough near the end of his contract to justify an extension in the eyes of board members who know less about basketball than he does.

      It sucks but Colangelo is here to stay for at least until the end of Rudy’s current contract. Case closed.

      • Yup, BC wields more power than Leafs GM’s as he is is able to run the basketball operation without interference.

    • As sports fans, we often forget the business aspect of it. Thanks for the reminder.

      I agree with what you said + I do believe that BC, and a lot of other GM’s, are expected to build teams that can challenge for the play-offs, or, at the most become a perennial playoff team, and not necessarily become championship teams.

      A race for the play-offs garners fan interest.

      Making the play-offs = capacity filled seats + tix, merchandise, concessions sales + monetary bonuses to teams who make the playoffs.

    • Raptors attendance is 12th out of 30 teams so far this season, in spite of the craptastic display on the floor.

      @The Waterboy – Just to play the devil’s advocate, don’t you think MLSE realizes that building a winning team will launch this franchise into top-5 attendance rates and playoff revenues, not to mention a dramatically increased franchise value?

      According to Forbes, Lebron James has doubled the value of the Miami Heat. If MLSE is a business at heart, doesn’t a long-term success perspective make great business sense? They have not forgotten how Vince Carter got this team marquee match-ups on national TV in the States.

      • I think that MLSE realizes that building a winning team is better, but without a personal driver towards excellence in the Mark Cuban vein, their approach is going to always be NY Knicks-style at the corporate level – to try to make moves which should improve the team while maintaining the short term interest of short-attention-span fans. That taking a Knicks-style approach isn’t as successful in Toronto is as much a reflection on the city’s attitude towards non-hockey sports as it is on the soundness of that approach to running a sports franchise.

        In regards to a winning and playoff-successful team bringing increased revenue – I don’t dispute that this is generally true, but who would be surprised if the corporation which owns fantastically profitable but only intermittently playoff-qualifying Toronto Maple Leafs does not consider this to be nearly as necessary as other team ownerships would?

        Also, something to keep in mind in regards to MLSE, the Raptors, and the Leafs is that MLSE has a Staples-Center-like arrangement with the Air Canada Centre, where simply keeping the facility busy helps to maximize investment in the facilty and to keep the ACC as an entertainment destination in the minds of consumers. (At any rate, I assume that this mindset is part of why I was able to watch a women’s hockey game at the ACC for free when I was in Toronto during the NHL lockout.)

        Lastly, in regards to the connection between long-term success on the court and long-term financial franchise success: the connection between the on-court product and the business goes in both directions. Some of the things Colangelo has done which worked out poorly from a basketball perspective have nonetheless laid the foundation for future long-term basketball success because they are things which basketball players who want to succeed want to see from the franchises they play for – from to being tightwads when it comes to retaining players (Jose Calderon, Amir Johnson, and *sigh* Andrea Bargnani) to being willing and able to court big-name free agents they see as useful pieces (Nash and *sigh* Turkoglu), to being active in trying to improve the team through whatever deals are out there. Young players like Kyle Lowry and Rudy Gay no longer consider a trade to the Raptors to be an exile into basketball purgatory. Given the ways in which Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, and Chris Bosh engineered their departures, this ability to sell the franchise to players we sign, draft, or trade for is going to be a vital key to the basketball success of this francise going forward, regardless of whether or not it is Colangelo making those moves.

    • Nonsense. The Raptors are a failure as a business, they lose money every year according to most of the outside analysis I’ve seen. Which is what one would assume from a team that has a high payroll, little TV revenue and no playoffs.

      The “renewed interest in the team” stuff is bullshit. Sports media talking heads and blog commentators don’t make money. WINS do. More wins, more bums in the seats and extra playoff tickets. This is his only job.

  5. I’m not sure the Burke comparison is an apt one. Burke was primarily dismissed because he couldn’t operate in a corporate enough manner to please the new owners of MLSE. However, Colangelo is as smooth as they come, so from that perspective he might well have a job for life. (shudder)

  6. There is this belief by some fans that in 2-3 years this team will be part of an elite group in the weaker eastern conference–that our young talent will start to ‘get it’. Sadly, these are the hopes and expectations we are sold on with every big BC move: J.O and CB4 (2008), Hedo and Bosh (2009), Bargnani and Derozan (this season), Klow, Gay and Demar (next season). As much as I want to say BC has learned from each of his consecutive failures there are GLARING trends about his wheeling and dealing that are unforgivable and consistent throughout his tenure:

    He finds a way to cover his mistakes (despite making them in the first place), which is probably why we are just waiting for his next big move to finally work (aka Amir Johnson). BUT the matter of fact is that Bryan Colangelo OVER VALUES mediocre, one-dimensional role players and trusts and believes he can turn underachieving and unproven talent into gems, when every other GM knows they what these players ACTUALLY are. This has become the 7 year tenure of BC in a nut-shell. He wheels and deals like a mad man without a plan hoping one day these role players would gel to build a winner, trades actual young talent and assets/1st rounders for “hopeful” stars, and overpays since he believes it will reap value in the end (Again, only working so far with Amir, versus the long list of: Jose, Kapono, Kleiza, Fields, Andrea, Demar, probably Rudy). What you get is a whole lot of excuses, ifs and whens, and uncertainty. MLSE will regret extending BC’s contract when the probable fate happens of Rudy under-performing as a franchise player, Klow walking since no playoff appearances, and DeMar and Ross never reaching their potential (very likely considering his track record). I guess we can only ‘hope’ BC’s latest set of moves finally fit.

  7. Bosh leaving was a foregone conclusion. I’d say at least 90% of the fans I know including myself were not surprised in the least. Many of us were calling for a Bosh trade years in advance.

    Why does BC deserve a pass for failing to anticipate what even the average, casual Raptor fan expected to happen with Bosh?

    Furthermore, I don’t understand why people feel BC “deserves” to see his “plan” through. It’s his damn job to create a winner. Even this most recent iteration isn’t a winner. At best, its a work in progress, with plenty of holes and question marks. So after failing to fulfill his one and only job requirement, what does deserve have to do with anything?

    There’s not too many jobs in the world where you get paid a sick amount of money, can be a complete net failure for almost ten years, and still have random people calling for your extension.

    On a side note, I’m relieved that you posted this Joseph. I was pretty let down by Oliver’s previous article, no offence to him personally. I know everyone’s entitled to their opinion, but Colangelo has received too much leway, if not praise, for his train wreck horror show of a team, and I was worried that my last vestige of unbiased Raptors related content was losing its way.

    • I’m not sure about that. I recall a fairly evenly divided discussion around here re: building around Bosh vs. trading him in the couple seasons prior to his departure (usually involving the “Is Bosh really a franchise player?” question).

      But who knows, maybe I was just high.

  8. Let’s not forget about how his stubbornness allowed us to let Bosh leave for nothing.

    • These Bosh arguments are Monday morning quarterbacking at its finest. Nobody knew what Bosh was going to do, as he consistently blew smoke up the media’s ass in regards to resigning with the Raptors. Also, the Raptors were very much in the playoff picture that year, having missed the playoffs on literally the final game of the season in a loss to the Bulls.

      As people have pointed out, this franchise is a business and it would have made zero sense to trade away your best player with potential playoff revenues on the line.

      • Bullshit. This isn’t Monday morning quarterbacking, it’s simple logic. To be a Monday morning quarterback would be to say “Bosh hasn’t exactly been a franchise player since signing in Miami (not just because there are better ones, but because he hasn’t been that good), so I sure am glad we didn’t sign him to a $20 MM/year deal”.

        1. If the plan was to build around Bosh, they should have signed him to an extension before he hit free agency.
        2. If they were unable to sign him to an extension, either because Bosh wanted to test the market, or because they couldn’t agree on numbers, they should have worked under the assumption that he was leaving.
        3. Once they’d made that assumption, they should have worked to maximize his value in a trade, by selling him to the highest bidder, either the summer before he was to be a free agent, or during the season, as an expiring contract.

        The failure to get any value from a player like that as they are headed out the door was the most unforgivable mistake in Colangelo’s lengthy list of mistakes. This, in my view, is a bigger mistake than overpaying your bench player as though he is a star franchise player, because you want to make your lottery draft pick look like a good choice.

  9. Folks, the real issue is the fact that the Raptors will never be able to build a contender as long as they rely on American players-I think that Colangelo recognized the issue as soon as he took the job. We’ve seen our “star” players walk away at the earliest opportunity, sensing that, no matter how great a city Toronto might be, it represents ZERO marketing/endorsement potential in the US. (The “fantasy” of NBA expansion to Europe is another issue for another post).

    Bottom line is that the Raptors can only be successful in acquiring top American talent through draft or trade-then watch those players (or their agents) start “shopping the States” at the earliest opportunity. Any long-term Raptors will be either:
    1, Canadians in the NCAA
    2. Europeans
    3. Carleton Ravens

    • That’s some serious black helicopter crazy talk.

    • The marketing/exposure theory certainly holds some water. Playing for the Raptors, especially when they’re crappy (which seems like most seasons) means the team is unlikely to be on primetime, nationally-televised games and get less exposure than similarly-bad teams in the US. How is a player supposed to build their “brand” in the US if no one is really tuned into what they’re doing on the court?

      That said, maybe if Colangelo and the Raptors didn’t have a reputation for being absolute garbage better players would want to come and play in Toronto. If the Raptors had a proven/more reputable coach, a decent front office, and the chance to win something (at least make the playoffs regularly), free agents would be more willing to come to play for the Raptors and homegrown players would be more willing to stay.

    • People were lining up to play with the Raptors when Vince Carter was at his height.

      The reason players don’t want to sign in Toronto is because the Raptors suck. Plain and simple. If we build a winning franchise around a star-studded core of young players, we’ll be popular in free agency.

  10. Does anybody really think that if the Raptors were owned by anybody other than MLSE, they wouldn’t be in Nashville by now? (Next door the other part of the Stern “Canadian Experiment”?)

  11. reading above comments and everyone saying about how he is ‘smooth’ and ‘business savvy’… oh please

    first off it’s the only team in canada in one of the biggest cities in north america. a monkey could run the team and it would nearly sell out every game.

    second – yes, there IS a tipping point where a guy’s arrogance takes him from business savvy to public enemy number one and that’s what i think will ultimately cost him his extension (along with his standard of signing free agents to 50% more than they are worth). the fact is he is an OK draft guy and active on the trade market, which are good things. BUT I think most of the fanbase is looking right now for a change of pace where the world doesnt revolve around the GM it revolves around the team and that will never happen with Colangelo at the helm so time for him to go.

  12. LOL everyone likes to criticize but I don’t see people with suggestions on what he should have done differently.

    FACT- Unless you’re Miami, LA Lakers, San Antonio, Chicago, and even Houston then you haven’t won shit for the past 20 yrs. Yet i see ppl complain that this team is ONLY gonna be a playoff team in the near future. I’d be happy if we played some 2nd round games.

    2006-07: W/L – 47-35 .573% Finished 3rd
    2007-08: W/L – 41-41 .500% Finished 6th
    2008-09: W/L – 33-49 .402% Finished 13th
    2009-10: W/L – 40-42 .488% Finished 9th (Injuries to Bosh cost us a playoff spot this yr)
    2010-11: W/L – 22-60 .268% Finished 14 (Start of Post Chris Bosh Era)
    2011-12: W/L – 23-43 .348% Finished 11
    2012-13: ?????? (Currently 9th)

    With the exception of 2008-09, I would say Colangalo hasn’t done a bad job of taking gambles to improve this team and correcting any gambles that didn’t pay off. The culture has changed and the team has a young core that has not even reached their peak yet.

    The team is successful from a business stand point and competitive on the court. Everyone talks like this team is horrible and they’ve been blown out a ton of games. Take a look at how many games this season they have lost by 5 or less (10 games). Win half of those games and everyone is thinking playoffs. There’s been a lot of heart breaking losses that could have gone the other way. Next year, I’m thinking a more mature and composed team doesn’t lose those games.

    This team just needs a strong veteran presence to keep the young guys focused and in check and good times are back in the Air Canada centre.

    Keep BC and stay the course!!!!!

    • Sure, being over the projected salary cap through 2015, as the roster currently stands, is reason enough to keep Colangelo. Just for comparison, Oklahama has roughly the same salary cap commitments as the Raps do for the next few years. I find it slightly absurd that a team can be both over the cap and a losing one.

      But yes, if BC stays the team will keep its course as it stands, because the limited cap flexibility will tie up his ability to add any meaningful players. That second unit that is cramping the Raptors’ style right now? I would probably expect more of the same next year since the Raptors have no draft picks with which to add talent at low cost. I do think the team will be better next year, I just think that the ceiling for this team is pretty low.

    • There;s a difference between not winning a title, and being a barely passible team. In fact, I’d say there’s a big one.

      Of course, you say you’d be happy with a second round team.

      1. In 7 years with Colangelo at the helm, the Raptors haven’t even been able to get that far.

      2. Personally, I would aim a little higher than that.

      And I’ve had LOADS of suggestions of what COlangelo should have done differently. And I know plenty of other people have too, so your first statement is completely false.

  13. Lets see the offers he gives anderson and aron gray lol they are due for a big BC extention . Lets give anderson 4 yrs and lets sayyyyy coming from BC probly 35 mill and gray will get 3 yrs 20 mill ? Then he will realise its bad and move them for garbage guys run them 2 yrs and then restart all over . He sucks as a gm and keeps hitting the restart button every year to save his job . Amneisty barny shut.him down … Trade klieza it will be much easier to move him and get small contracts in return . With barny trade your going to get a huge contract back it wont be worth it . Just amniesty him .i wont watch another raps game untill atleast barny and Bc are gone . I dont mind casey somtimes but his coaching is speradic at times and his rotations make no sense half the time . Idk 2/3 pepole need to be gone before i ever tune into a game again . Im not wasting 2 hours of my time to watcha 7 foot retard stand at a 3 point line . I wanna watch guys battle and play hard d and play exciting passionable games . Sick of this garbage games

  14. W-L% before BC: 0.392
    W-L% with BC: 0.428
    W-L% last 5 years: 0.380

    Accountability says Colangelo must go.

  15. The fact that you didn’t even touch on something as important as how he handled the Bosh situation in an article that is arguing AGAINST continuing Colangelo’s tenure as GM shows what a disappointing last couple of days it has been on RaptorBlog.

    It’s incredible that even three years removed, no one wants to hold him accountable for the non move that left the organization in the shape it was in post Bosh’s departure and the situation it is still recovering from. The Magic were shopping Dwight for a year as they were headed for the playoffs, the Jazz sold high on Williams as they were in the thick of the playoff race, the Hornets traded Paul coming off the playoffs. I don’t understand why the Raptors holding onto a playoff spot in 2010 completely excuses Colangelo from ignoring the long-term future of the franchise especially with the uncertainty surrounding Bosh’s situation. Have we seen a situation like that repeated since? No player of that caliber plays his walk season without being traded or extended. The fact that Colangelo ripped Bosh mercilessly after he botched the whole situation made it even worse.

    • Guys: Bosh lied. Gave a list of 5 teams he said he may want to be traded to, 5 trade scenarios were prepared by Raps front office. In the list MIAMI was intentionally letf out by Bosh. Then rumors emerged that Bosh, Wade and Lebron had discussed things at the All-star Game.and made their pact.
      Bosh show no honor and you are pinning this on BC? He believed Bosh was on the up and up, while bosh was blowing smoke to get attention. Also does anybody remember how Bosh ELECTED to stay out 6 extra games (while still on the run for play-off). He claimed his calf was strained, but not even with a MRI the team docs could find inflamed tissues in the calf. Bosh needed the attention of the big circus of media, he had raps work deals with the wrong teams, sat out intentionally games not to get to the Play-off. Go ahead and defend this guy if you want. But he has less honor than a thief.

    • TRUE STORY on Bosh. He said he wanted to stay, then he met his future wife, she came to Toronto and she told him she hated the city. She planted in his head he was never going to be a superstar if he stayed in Canada. SHE wanted the big stage. He has been trying to get her in show biz since, without great success. BOSH never was clear, he lied and gave short list of teams to Raptors front office. I heard too, that he left Miami out intentionally, even if he had already agreed with Wade. He blame Colangelo for botching and talking trash? You have no clue then. Bosh tanked the season, because he needed to pass Miami physical, did not want the team in the play-offs. He sat out several games, refusing to play, even if the doctors cleared him.
      If you are so much in “the know”, why don’t you know this? This is history, this are true facts. Ask anybody who knows and they will tell you. I personally think, Colangelo should have told the entire story, but he was too classy, even if you are ripping BC. It is Bosh the bad guy, here.
      Sorry for typos – running to catch a plane

      • @ Z.T.

        TRUE STORY on BC. GM’s make personnel decisions. Players sign contracts. This is a bubsiness and until contracts are signewd, NOTHING is official. When players sign contracts, unless they have No Trade clauses, they can be traded to places they didn’t want to go at the blink of an eye.
        When players are unrestricted FA’s executives know that there are possibilities in losing a player or not maxamizing their value as an ‘asset’ if they go on the market. Bosh didn’t sign the big contract extension in the off season prior which should have told Colangelo he could leave for nothing in the off season. Who cares what Bosh said or didn’t say?

  16. Are there really still fans out there who would jump back onto the Colangelo bandwagon if he pulled off a good deal? Really? 7 years of history isn’t enough to make a firm decision?

    That sounds like a a guy whose girlfriend cheats on him relentlessly, but is willing to forgive her when she says she won’t do it again.

  17. I originally thought that colangelo overpaid for derozan, but if he was a free agent this summer with a lot of teams having cap space and not a lot of 2 guards out there, how much does demar get on the open market? If blatche was worth $8 million a year in 2010, and landry fields is worth $6 million a year, then how much is demar worth a few years later? Someone would have likely given him at least $10 million a year. Colangelo probably saved mlse a few million and has an asset that can be traded for something in the future (I think bc learned his lesson from bosh)

    • Just because you think someone else is going to overpay for him, doesn’t mean you have to as well. If that’s the case, you have a few options.

      1. Simply let the other team pay them. I still don’t think DeMar is worth his contract. While you may not get anything in return, it saves you from paying what he’s going to get now.

      2. Trade him before you sign him long term and let that team deal with it.

      3. They drafted Terrence Ross as a potential replacement for DeMar. So resigning him to that ridiculous contract just makes the drafting Ross look even more pointless.

      • It’s always better to get something than to just let someone walk (if it is a young player). Look at Eric Gordon, he apparently has one of the worst deals in the league. But the hornets almost got Kay Thompson for him. I’m sure next year, when he has had more time to recover from knee surgery, then they will have even more suitors for him.

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