I say this with surprisingly mixed feelings: Vince Carter is approaching the end of his career. I recently came across this post that reminded me that this season is the final year of his guaranteed deal with the Magic.

I still remember VC’s first return to Toronto as a Net when the over-sized child in me screamed, “You’ll never win anything, Vince!” from the nosebleeds. Even then, in the back of my basketball brain, I didn’t necessarily think it was true. Even weirder? I didn’t necessarily want it to be true.

I’m one of those, “make the most out of your abilities” types, and as much as I shared the “Half-man, Half-a-Season” anger with the Raptor faithful (hell, I even wore this shirt after Vince’s divorce in ’07), it just didn’t seem right that VC’s incredible gifts could win him dunk contests, but not playoff games. The NBA has seen plenty of talented, but aimless ballers like Vince, so it’s impossible to feel sorry for him. Still, there’s a part of me that remains perplexed at his disappointing career.

Despite his jaw-dropping abilities, he’s reached only one conference final, which was last season, and then proceeded to make very little of his presence felt in a six-game loss to the Celtics. He averaged 5.5 points in Orlando’s two wins versus Boston and shot 37% overall for the series.

Vince will be 34-years-old in January. He’s had every chance to lead a team. Yes, this is a redemption year for him, but so have many others in his career. And, Orlando is prodding him to produce more in ’10-’11? Ask Rashard Lewis for more, hope Jameer Nelson bounces back, give JJ Redick more minutes at shooting guard, but unless the Magic have uncovered the special cure, the sad cliché persists: What you see is what you get from Vince.

Comments (57)

  1. At least he’s not AI or Antoine Walker. He’s still in the league getting paid and other teams would probably still want him if he was available. Sad story yes, but could be so much worse!

  2. Despite of this, he’s still my favorite player of all time.

  3. god i remember when he was my favorite player

  4. Let’s hope your wrong Tas! V.C. worked out all summer with the team and came into the best shape he has in a while. He vows to be the aggressive Vince from before but he has to prove it on the court this year!

  5. >>it just didn’t seem right that VC’s incredible gifts could win him dunk contests, but not playoff games<<

    Vince Carter has won plenty of playoff games. But don't let the truth get in the way of your story.

    Besides, last season was his first season on a true contender. And they DID get deep into the playoffs. They get further than the Cavs even.

    And many Hall of Famers haven't won a title, or even gotten to the NBA Finals. At least Vince has won 5 playoff series. By your logic Chris Bosh must REALLY suck. He has won ZERO playoff series. Even when he had homecourt advantage, he lost to the Nets in a series in which Vince Carter played brilliantly while Bosh was a complete dud.

    A player should be judged on individual production. It's not his fault if he played on poor and mediocre teams for most of his career. This isn't golf where you can win a championship by yourself.

  6. For the record, Vince Carter has won 28 playoff games. So the notion that his talent “can’t win playoff games” is pure idiocy.

  7. If you want to look at a loser whose talent can’t win playoff games, look at Chris Bosh. Guy has won 3 playoff games in 7 years vs. 28 playoff games in 12 years for Carter.

  8. As a longtime Magic fan, I used to love VC no matter where he played and the highlight reel that usually followed close by. But I have to agree with Tas in some respects. Not that VC hasn’t won playoff games, because he has, but that he has the skills of a champion but he doesn’t have the heart of a champion.

    I was so excited at the possibility of last year being a “I’ll show you” year for Vince, but it wasn’t. Watching every game he played in last year, I didn’t see it. Make no mistake, he knows what to say and can go through the motions better than anyone. But he doesn’t have it. After this many years, it’s safe to say he never will. Nothing says that more than JJ=19 million over 3 years.

  9. Vince didn’t play great the first half of last season, but from Feb. 1 through the end of the regular season he was brilliant, shooting over 60% TS%.

    Did he play well in the playoffs? No. But it happens. Even the “great” Kobe Bryant has had years where he stunk it up in the playoffs.

  10. i agree with you 100 percent chris.

  11. for some reason people love to hate vince. i thought basketball was about loving to see people that have talent, lace them up and ball. if vince never wins a championship, so what, how many people can honestly say, that they havent enjoyed, some of the vinsanity years. i dont watch basketball for the championships, i watch basketball, for the entertainment. now if your favorite team can win, GREAT , but if not, watch it and have fun.

  12. I agree with you, Calvin, I guess people are disappoint because they think Carter deserves one. I still have hope in him. still my favorite player of all time.

  13. It’s irrelevant how many playoff games Vince has won. The guy has been one of the biggest underachievers of his generation – possibly ever.

    What separates the wheat from the chaff in the NBA is the ability to step up on the biggest stage. Vince wilts under the pressure. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a player look so frightened as Vince in last year’s Boston series when he had to go to the line and hit clutch free-throws – at home no less. I guess that’s why he shoots so many bailout 3s.

    As Robert DeNiro says in A Bronx Tale – there’s nothing worse than wasted talent

  14. >>It’s irrelevant how many playoff games Vince has won.<>The guy has been one of the biggest underachievers of his generation – possibly ever.<<

    This is a lie. There have been hundreds, if not thousands of players over the years that have underperformed worse than Carter. Look at Chris Bosh for instance. If you compare Bosh's first 7 years in the NBA to Carter's first 7 years, Bosh has underperformed FAR worse than Carter. Carter's resume is actually very impressive:

    -2X NCAA Final Four
    -NBA Rookie of the Year
    -8X NBA All-Star
    -2X All-NBA
    -NBA Slam Dunk Champion
    -Leading Scorer on Olympic Gold Medal Team
    -10 Straight Years over 20 PPG
    -Holds single season scoring record for 2 different NBA Teams (how many players can say that)
    -Holds or co-holds a slew of Raptors, Nets, and NBA records, such as most threes made in a playoff game, and a playoff half
    -excellent career numbers of 22.9 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 4.2 APG, 1.2 SPG, 0.7 BPG, and 53.7% TS%

    Even in terms of team success, he's made the Conference Finals, and has won five playoff rounds. I could name many "stars" in the NBA today with less playoff success. Hell, Hakeem Olajuwon only won 3 playoff series in his entire career, and never made it past the second round, and he's in the Hall of Fame.

    You're drinking the Haterade. Saying he is one of the biggest underacheivers of all-time is factually incorrect. In fact, if you look at what people predicted from him before he played his first game in the NBA, he has surpassed all expectations. Nobody for example expected 10 straight seasons over 20 PPG from him.

    The ONLY thing he hasn't accomplished is that he hasn't won a championship. But you can say that about thousands of players. Other than that he has exceeded all expectations. His numbers are Hall of Fame caliber.

  15. Rodney, you say he’s an underachiever, and then you give ONE example when he choked.

    But what about all the times he didn’t choke?

    What about the 2001 Raptors-Knicks playoff series. The Raptors were the underdogs (lower seed), and he helped the Raptors win the series. He didn’t choke then.

    What about the 2006 Nets-Pacers series. He had an incredible series (something like 32 PPG). He didn’t choke then.

    What about the 2007 Nets-Raptors series. His team was the lower seed, and he played brilliantly (25/6/4 while shooting a good percentage). He didn’t choke then.

    What about the 2000 Olympics? He didn’t choke then.

    What about the 2010 Magic-Hawks playoff series? He played great and helped his team win. He didn’t choke then.

    ———————–

    So there you go. I gave 5 examples where he delivered, and you gave one example where he choked. NOBODY plays well all the time. But 5 for 6 is pretty damn good I’d say.

    If you’re going to make an argument, at least use some facts to back it up. One poor series is a piss poor argument. EVERY player has terrible series. Even Lebron and Kobe have had terrible series where they choked.

  16. Oh hell no Chris, you did not just say what i thought you just said about Hakeem Olajuwon only winning 3 playoff series and never making it out of the second round.

    Hakeem the Dream
    Made it to NBA finals in his 2nd year in the league, only to lose to arguebly the best team ever the 86 celtics.
    And leads his team to back to back championships 93-94,94-95.

    He also got schooled in the first series against the knicks(yes bosh got schooled against the nets in his first series but im not saying bosh is better then vince in the playoffs)

    As for the Nets Raptors series, yeah he was good in away games, he was pretty terrible at home in Jersey. He also tanked in the Cavs Nets series that followed, including some costly turnovers that blew the series.

    Not to mention the multiple season where you could watch him rolling around on the court because of more “injuries”, don’t see Kobe doing that despite his grocery list of various injuries last year.

  17. Sorry, that was a typo. I was thinking of Dominique Wilkins, but I typed Hakeem Olajuwon. It should have been obvious to you that I didn’t mean Hakeem when I said he only won 3 playoff series and never got past the second round. At least I’d think so.

    >>As for the Nets Raptors series, yeah he was good in away games, he was pretty terrible at home in Jersey.<>Not to mention the multiple season where you could watch him rolling around on the court because of more “injuries”, don’t see Kobe doing that despite his grocery list of various injuries last year.<<

    I agree. He doesn't have a high tolerance for pain, and goes down like he's shot several times a season from minor contact. But that has absolutely nothing to do with what kind of career he has had, what kind of production he has had, or what he has achieved. That has nothing to do with anything really.

  18. Sorry, that was a typo. I was thinking of Dominique Wilkins, but I typed Hakeem Olajuwon. It should have been obvious to you that I didn’t mean Hakeem when I said he only won 3 playoff series and never got past the second round. At least I’d think so.

    >>As for the Nets Raptors series, yeah he was good in away games, he was pretty terrible at home in Jersey.<<

    Nope. You're wrong. Vince was GREAT at home in Jersey. In game 3 (in Jersey) he scored 37 points on 15-23 shooting. In game 4 (also in Jersey) he scored 27 points on 9-15 shooting. The only home game where he didn't play that great was game 6 where he only scored 21 points. But my point was that his OVERALL production in the series was great: 25 PPG, 6 RPG, 4 APG, good shooting percentage.

    He didn't play well in the Cavs series, but the Nets were the HEAVY underdogs in that series. They were a 41-win team, playing a team that ended up advancing all the way to the NBA Finals (where Lebron played even worse than Vince played in the Nets-Raptors series).

  19. Yeah i was hoping you didn’t mean Hakeem, i just got up in arms fast because im a big fan of Hakeem.

    Hmm thats interesting for his home stats, i know he shyed away alot from attacking the basket during the home games, but since he still put up numbers then its a good series.

    I’ve always found that Lebron has only had one good playoff round and that was when he destoryed the Pistons that year all by himself. That and Carter hasn’t ever mailed in a series as blatently as Lebron did against the celtics this year in the last few games(if anyone is unsure look up the final 5 minutes of game 6 and watch how he isn’t even in the play most of the time)

    I think i’ll always be conflicted with Vince, because he gave us raptor fans the greatest consecutive run we’ve ever had, (that sixers series was awesome despite the final shot miss). And even after his mailing it in he put up great years with the nets.

    I think the biggest issue that makes him different then all other players who have crazy talent but never live up to it is. He was actually living up to it for the first couple years, you all can see his stats and how good they where getting and that awesome 2001 playoff run. So hes realizing his potential and then boom, gets lazy, starts jacking up nothing but fadaways half the time and “settles” for the career numbers you mentioned Chris. Which is damn impressive numbers for someone who is just coasting most of the time, its just if coasting he can put up Brandon Roy numbers then its so annoying to have watched him waste all those years and the crazy numbers he could have put up instead.

  20. >>Hmm thats interesting for his home stats, i know he shyed away alot from attacking the basket during the home games, but since he still put up numbers then its a good series.<<

    No he didn't. He got to the free throw line 23 times in 3 homes games. That's almost 8 FTAs per game (he got to the line 22 times in the 3 games in Toronto).

    I do agree that he wasn't that great his last three years in Toronto, but remember he was fighting injuries those years. Any player's production is going to decline when they're fighting injuries. He missed 65 games combined in 2001-02 and 2002-03. It's hard to put up great numbers when you're missing that many games. And then in 2003-04, he was very inefficient shooting-wise – only 50.1% TS%, which is borderline terrible efficiency.

    His first three seasons in New Jersey though he played great (at least in the regular season). His last two seasons in New Jersey his numbers declined, but he was over 30 years old at that time, so that's expected. At 31 years old he was one of only 3 players in the league (w/Kobe, Lebron) to average 20/5/5 for the season. To average 20/5/5 at 31 years of age is very, very impressive. And he had a good shooting efficiency every year he played with the Nets. His TS% was about 2% higher with the Nets than it was with the Raptors.

    2009-10 he didn't put up the greatest numbers, but he turned 33 years old that year. Many players are retired at that age.

  21. First off, I would like to state that I’m not a Carter fanboy. (Chris obviously is.) But in this case I have to ask:

    Tas, can you explain to me what exactly prompted the title of this post? I read the article but I don’t get it. What makes you think that Carter “still doesn’t get”? Training camp just started two days ago. The guys hasn’t played a single pre-season game yet. And reports out of Orlando state that he is in great shape. Despite all of that you’re able to judge that Carter “still doesn’t get it”. Do you have some inside info that you’re hiding from us?

  22. Vince has taken a ridiculous amount of heat for merely being a really good player, awesome at times, when he “could have” been a great player. I think the real reason he gets picked on so much is because of all those times he would collapse on the floor acting as though he had just been shot. That kind of softness rubs people the wrong way, and yeah, he was dumb enough to admit quitting on the team but he was hardly the first player to quit on his team Still, the complaint about not being as good as he could have been strikes me as lame. Gerald Green was/is really athletic, showed all kinds of promise in high school, and has barely been able to stay in the league. Are people still lamenting how Gerald Green had all the tools but…?

    There’s a reason why so few guys belong in that upper echelon of athletes, a la Jordan, Kobe etc. It’s because having that sort of mental toughness and hyper competitiveness is really RARE. Vince was almost unanimously the most exciting player to watch in the entire league for a few seasons and he was on our friggin, forgotten team. I wish Raps fans could appreciate that a little more instead of knocking the guy for not being great.

  23. As if I’m going to argue with Chris Carter.

    If you think Vince has fulfilled his potential, enjoy away.

  24. @Nick Z – Good question, sir. You’re right, the title of the post isn’t the most relevant to anything occurring right now, it’s applies more to the Vince legacy he’ll leave behind in my mind. I know nothing more than you.

  25. @ dribbles

    I don’t think Vince necessarily cops criticism because of his OTT reactions when he gets hurt.

    Vince has taken heat because he had all the physical tools to be among the greatest wings to ever play the game – instead he ended up being nothing more than a high scorer on a lot of bad teams whose greatest moment came in a dunk contest at all-star weekend. He’d rather shoot bail-out 3s than take it to the hoop despite being one of the most athletic players in the league throughout his career. I’m convinced he’d be happier playing on a middle of the road team that had no expectations and no pressure on it to achieve.

    It’s the same reason that Derrick Coleman’s professional career is generally considered a monumental disappointment, whilst P.J. Brown inspires almost universal respect.

    You are right about the mental toughness aspect. Some guys have what it takes to win at the highest level. Vince has given the majority of us no option but to believe that he isn’t one of them.

  26. I think the Magic have yet to reach their potential with Carter and Lewis. They are a great team. Guys like Carter have a hard time living up to the hype that is generated when they are drafted into the league. I know Raptor fans were disappointed to see him leave and he’s had less playoff success than other stars in his era. Still the guy has game and is an asset to any team that signs him. He’s just not carrying a team to a championship. The last few years have been Vince the role player instead of the superstar, franchise player. He just seems lethargic at times. Doesn’t seem driven to give 100% night in, night out. Bosh seems very similiar in many ways. I’m thinking Tas has a dartboard with Carter, Bosh and Turkoglu’s jerseys on it in his living room! Yes, I do feel sorry for Raptors fans over the years! What the Raptors have always needed is a defensive coach and some defensive minded players. They tried to be the Suns and never could quite compete with that game plan. I understand the bitterness Tas feels for this guy! It’s ok to rant about something that you’re passionate about. (Losing your hometown optimism in your favorite sport!) I think Orlando is Carter’s best situation in his career so far and expect him to improve this season!

  27. >>First off, I would like to state that I’m not a Carter fanboy. (Chris obviously is.) But in this case I have to ask:<<

    That's a lie. I am a Carter fan. I am not a Carter "fanboy". I supported my viewpoint with facts and statistics. Unlike most of the idiots here criticizing him, who have made nothing but empty, vaccous statements unsupported with any actual facts.

  28. Tas watches games like I do. With my eyes, not boxscores.

    How many times has VC been counted on to take a team to the next level? And shown absolutely no desire to do so.

    For the magnificent amount of talent that leads to those numbers that people like to quote, you would expect to be talking about a seasoned respected legend. Instead you are speaking of a player that has underachieved his whole career and will be remembered for what he didnt do instead of what he accomplished.

    Tas isnt speaking from anger, but from a broken heart.

    Cue the recorder.

  29. >>Tas watches games like I do. With my eyes, not boxscores.<>Instead you are speaking of a player that has underachieved his whole career and will be remembered for what he didnt do instead of what he accomplished.<<

    Be SPECIFIC. How has he "underachieved". Other than not winning a championship, and a lot of players have never won a championship, what should Vince Carter have accomplished that he didn't? You made a statement, that he "underachieved", but you didn't explain HOW he has underachieved. State what you mean. What SPECIFICALLY should he have accomplished that he didn't? He won Rookie of the Year, Olympic Gold Medal, Slam Dunk Contest, 8X all-star, 2X all-NBA, incredible career numbers, 10 straight seasons over 20 PPG. So I don't understand your "underachieved" comment. Should he have averaged more points? Should he have 10 all-star appearance? What should he have done that he hasn't. You didn't say.

  30. >>Tas watches games like I do. With my eyes, not boxscores.<<

    I watch games "with my eyes" too. I only miss about 2-3 Raptors games per year. I also watched the majority of Magic games last year.

    But unlike the Carter-bashing idiots, I actually support my position with a little something called FACTS. Were I a "fanboy", I would be heaping praise on Carter without any facts or stats to back up what I was saying. Kind of like the Carter-haters are doing in this thread.

    The fact that you "watch the games with your eyes" doesn't mean you don't have to support your viewpoint with actual facts. Just because you say something doesn't make it true.

  31. >>Instead you are speaking of a player that has underachieved his whole career and will be remembered for what he didnt do instead of what he accomplished.<<

    Be SPECIFIC. How has he "underachieved". Other than not winning a championship, and a lot of players have never won a championship, what should Vince Carter have accomplished that he didn't? You made a statement, that he "underachieved", but you didn't explain HOW he has underachieved. State what you mean. What SPECIFICALLY should he have accomplished that he didn't? He won Rookie of the Year, Olympic Gold Medal, Slam Dunk Contest, 8X all-star, 2X all-NBA, incredible career numbers, 10 straight seasons over 20 PPG. So I don't understand your "underachieved" comment. Should he have averaged more points? Should he have 10 all-star appearance? What should he have done that he hasn't. You didn't say.

  32. The fact that one “watches games with their eyes” doesn’t exempt them from having to support their argument with actual facts. Anyone can make empty statements without numbers to back them up.

  33. “Cue the recorder”

  34. Anybody who says that Vince Carter has “underachieved his entire career” is a liar. Thus they should not be listened to. There are several seasons where Vince Carter OVERachieved:

    -in his rookie season he won the Rookie of the Year despite the fact that he wasn’t expected to. He was only the 6th pick in the draft. That is overachieving.

    -in 2000-01 he overachieved by helping the Raptors win their first and only playoff series as the lower seed against the Knicks.

    -in 2006-07 he overachieved by helping the Nets beat the Raptors in the playoffs even though the Nets were the 6 seed, and the Raptors were the 3 seed

    -in 2008-09 he overachieved by helping the Nets to greatly exceed expectations. Prior to the start of the season, most experts picked them to finish dead last in the East. Instead they only missed the playoffs by about 5 games. In fact, they finished with a better record than the Raptors, even though every expert picked the Raptors to finish ahead of the Nets.

    —————–

    There I go again backing up my argument with facts and examples. I’m waiting for some idiot to come along with more empty statements that have no factual truth behind them, and are simply biased opinion.

  35. I think Vince is judged so harshly because (1) he has amazing talent and natural gifts, probably the best we’ve ever seen, and our expectations for him are higher than just all-star level; and (2) he’s not a fire-spitting jerk like the recent GOATs (Jordan, Kobe), so we think he doesn’t care. I don’t hold it against him.

  36. >>(2) he’s not a fire-spitting jerk like the recent GOATs (Jordan, Kobe)<<

    Don't forget about Lebron, who is now claiming part of the backlash against him is because he's black.

  37. >>First off, I would like to state that I’m not a Carter fanboy. (Chris obviously is.)<<

    No Nick, you're not a Carter fanboy. You're a moron, an idiot, and a liar.

    I am a Carter fan. I am not a Carter "fanboy". Were I a Carter fanboy, I would be spewing nonsense without a single fact or statistic to back up what I'm saying. I know that is hard for your pathetic, feeble mind to understand. The fact that you call me a "fanboy" when I am obviously not speaks volumes to your lack of intellect.

  38. This is one of the things I said, Nick Z., you idiot:

    >>I do agree that he wasn’t that great his last three years in Toronto<<

    How is that a fanboyish statement? Don't just spew empty rhetoric. If you're going to claim that I'm a fanboy, prove it. Were I a fanboy I wouldn't have said anything negative about him. But I made several criticisms of him. Proving again that you're a liar.

  39. the internet is serious business

  40. Chris, your moronic rants make up about 50% of this thread. You come up with out-of-context stats that nobody cares about. You attack every poster that disagrees with you. And you’re obviously obsessing WAY too much over this argument and about Vince himself. If that isn’t the definition of a fanboy then I don’t know what is.

    I’m sure this little post will spark another three replies from you that are filled with “stats” and insults. But don’t expect me to answer again because it just doesn’t make sense to argue with fanboys.

  41. @Nick Z.

    haha check mate.

  42. >>Chris, your moronic rants make up about 50% of this thread.<>You come up with out-of-context stats that nobody cares about.<>You attack every poster that disagrees with you.<>But don’t expect me to answer again because it just doesn’t make sense to argue with fanboys.<<

    I'd like to think that, but being what you accuse me of (a fanboy), I'm sure you'll come back with more childish insults. It's what people like you do. You go on the internet and lie about people you've never met. You and your little faggoty lapdogs like "cbforce". Obviously a Chris Bosh fan. You want to talk about a guy who has underachieved his whole career and never won squat in the playoffs – case in points.

  43. You’re also a liar Nick Z. You say I attack everyone who disagrees with me. But if you read the thread from the beginning, you’ll see that I didn’t attack anyone prior to you calling me a fanboy. And you’ll see that you had no reason to call me a fanboy. Or is that what you call anyone who disagrees with you?

    Now I’m sure you’ll come back at me with another one of your patented moronic rants. That’s all you seem to do.

  44. Prior to attacking you for lying about me and calling me a “fanboy” just because you disagreed with me, where did I “attack” another poster. Be specific. Give me the exact quote and tell me which poster I was attacking.

  45. And that’s post #3 filled with insults. Only the stats are missing. Thank you, Chris.
    Let’s just leave it at that and hope that Vince will be able to show us his determination over the entirety of the 2010-2011 season.

  46. Nick Z. FTW wow, i didn’t think that i would see the same level of fanboyism that candyman reached with his obsession of hedo turkoglu a couple months back but here comes chris out of nowhere. btw i like vince but don’t see the point in obsessing and defending a grown man from other people’s opinion of him.
    i always imagine people like chris in this way lol http://i21.tinypic.com/2mza8b8.gif

  47. Post #3 was filled with insults? Really? Let’s have a look at post #3 and see if you’re lying or not:

    “If you want to look at a loser whose talent can’t win playoff games, look at Chris Bosh. Guy has won 3 playoff games in 7 years vs. 28 playoff games in 12 years for Carter.”

    Which posters in this thread was I insulting with those comments? Please tell me.

  48. illmatic, are you the same idiotiv “illmatic” that posts on RealGM?

    If so, you are the height of retarded hypocrisy calling me a fanboy. You are the single most stupid fanboy I’ve ever seen on any sports message board ever.

    You are a liar too. I am a Vince Carter fan. Were I a Vince Carter “fanboy” I would be spewing empty, biased rhetoric without any facts or statistics to back up what I was saying. Kind of like you do both here and on RealGM. I explained this already but I guess your feeble mind couldn’t comprehend what I was saying.

  49. >>btw i like vince but don’t see the point in obsessing and defending a grown man from other people’s opinion of him.<<

    I wasn't "obsessing". I was expressing my opinion just like everyone else in this thread. I guess you don't like it when people express their opinion. Dumbass.

  50. I have not insulted a single person in this thread that didn’t either:

    a. also insult me, or

    b. make untrue statements about me

    If you read the thread from the beginning you’ll see that.

  51. I’m a Magic fan, not necessarily a Vince Carter fan, but I just hate the fact that there’s this unfair reputation by fans and media that he’s an underachiever. It’s to easy for everyone to bash this guy and its gotten to the point where people are just waiting for something to go wrong to blame the guy. Should he have accomplished more by now? Sure but it’s not his fault he was on bad teams. I think others on the Magic team deserve to share some of the blame for last year’s performance in the ECF finals. You can’t just blame it all on VC.

  52. nope not me that’s why i add the (-1) to the name, i know other people are also fans of nas’ album but way to jump to conclusions. also i don’t have a problem with people expressing opinions, fans and fanboys alike :)

  53. Tas, is it my lack of info or is this the most comments ever logged in a tbj blog? Also is it because of the Toronto angst over Carter or just the infatuation of the guy who posted about 90% of the comments? On a different note, how about some training camp commentary? Specifically guys trying to get back into the nba with lesser teams. Who do you peg as the surprise comebacks of the new season? What did the Raptors do to improve their team?

  54. >>also i don’t have a problem with people expressing opinions, fans and fanboys alike :)<<

    Well, that's fitting, since you are an idiotic fanboy yourself. You proved it by making derogatory comments about me when I had done nothing to insult or provoke you. Congratulations, moron of the year.

  55. >>Also is it because of the Toronto angst over Carter or just the infatuation of the guy who posted about 90% of the comments?<<

    Wrong. It's because of the infatuation that you and the rest of the idiot squad have with me. Were you not infatuated with me, you would have just ignored my comments and not even addressed me.

  56. Vince. Is. Soft.

    Rasheed and KG are too mean and scary for Vince to feel good on the court in that Boston series. Couldn’t even play tough for his hometown. Take your money and leave please.

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