Last time, we took a look at the top point guards of the past three decades, so as a natural progression, we look at the shooting guard position this week. And, here’s a hint: it wasn’t too difficult to pick the top shooting guard.

However, the back end was a bit difficult and I had to go with my gut and I’m sure it may spark some debate as to why I didn’t include such and such player who scored more or made more All-NBA teams or any number of things. And, the criticism will be fair enough because I spent a few hours just ranking the players. I think I probably take this too seriously.

Here are the factors, in varying degrees, taken into account in making this ranking – statistics, impact on the game, awards and honors, longevity, playoff performance and my own gut instincts. Feel free to disagree and make cases for others in the comments.
10. Manu Ginobili, San Antonio Spurs (2002-Present)
633 G; 15.3 PPG; 3.9 APG; 4.0 RPG; 1.5 3PTM; 44.9 FG%; 83.4 FT%; 1.5 SPG

I decided to put Manu here at No. 1o despite the fact that there were other options who scored more points, the main function of the position. However, all things relative, the lack of outstanding scoring was Manu’s only “deficiency.” The three NBA titles that he was a big part of dilutes the average point production, and while Manu’s placement here is debatable, he’s at least in the argument.

Ginobili played a career-high 80 games this past season and put up enough numbers to earn a place on the All-NBA third team, the second time he’s made an All-NBA team. He’s also been honored with the NBA Sixth Man of the Year Award, made the All-Star team twice and, of course, won those titles. Manu owns an impressive 21.7 PER and 115 ORtg, which stacks up fairly well against the players below.

The Argentinian Assassin has proven his place in the arena of basketball, both in the NBA and in international competition. Ginobili is fearless attacking the basket and usually finds himself in awkward positions while in the air. He has the ability to take over a game, both as a facilitator of the offense and as a defender jumping the passing lane. Manu’s career numbers may not be terribly impressive, but his career has been. There is still a few seasons left in him where if he stayed healthy, could jump him a place or two on this list.

9. Joe Dumars, Detroit Pistons (1985-1999)
1018 G; 16.1 PPG; 4.5 APG, 2.2 RPG; 1.0 3PTM; 46.0 FG%; 84.3 FT%; 0.9 SPG

Dumars will not wow you with his statistics in the same vein as Ginobili, but if you watched him play, he’s deserving of being in the top 10 . He was the first player to be considered a Michael Jordan “stopper,” which is the stuff of legend. And by that I mean it’s a bit exaggerated as no one could actually stop MJ, but (pardon the cliche) only hope to contain him. This is not to disparage Joe Cool because he earned the hardware and respect as a player to be made a Hall of Famer.

Dumars played in six All-Star games, was named to three All-NBA teams, five All-Defensive teams (four first team selections) and chosen as the NBA Finals MVP in 1989. He’s one of those players that did anything it took to win a game. However, his average PER (15.3) probably doesn’t really show how important Dumars was to the Pistons. Dumars finished his career with a 113 ORtg.

Dumars was boring in comparison to the rest of the Bad Boys, such as the fiery Isiah Thomas, enigmatic Dennis Rodman, wise-cracking John Salley and the eternally grimacing Bill Laimbeer and Rick Mahorn. Dumars just went about his job, which holds a special place to the blue-collar community of Detroit. Humble and hard-working describe Dumars best.

8. Mitch Richmond, Golden State Warriors (1988-1991), Sacramento Kings (1991-98), Washington Wizards (1998-2001), Los Angeles Lakers (2001-02)
976 G; 21.0 PPG; 3.5 APG; 3.9 RPG; 1.4 3PTM; 45.5 FG%; 85.0 FT%, 1.2 SPG

Richmond was a scoring machine straight from the get-go. He, along with Tim Hardaway and Chris Mullin, was a part of the short-lived three-headed beast known as Run TMC. After moving up and more inland to join the Sacramento Kings, Richmond continued to snap nets on the regular while becoming a perennial threat to score from anywhere on the court.

He never led the league in scoring, but averaged 20+ points a season for 10 straight seasons, starting with his rookie year when he averaged 22.0 PPG and won Rookie of the Year. Richmond played in six straight All-Star games (1993-98), and won the MVP award at the 1995 contest. He was named to five All-NBA teams and posted a solid 17.6 PER and 110 ORtg for his career.

Richmond was a feared scorer, who could have easily been a superstar had he played in a bigger basketball market. When he was traded from the Warriors to the Kings for Billy Owens, I remember being angry that Run TMC was broken up. I was a Knicks fan at the time, but that team was so entertaining and it was fun to look at the boxscore every morning to see how they did. Richmond did his thing!

7. Tracy McGrady, Toronto Raptors (1997-2000), Orlando Magic (2000-04), Houston Rockets (2004-2009), New York Knicks (2010), Detroit Pistons (2010-Present)
886 G; 20.4 PPG, 4.6 APG; 5.8 RPG; 1.2 3PTM; 43.5 FG%; 74.7 FT%; 1.3 SPG

McGrady could have become one of the best ever if injury didn’t get in his way. Despite that, T-Mac, who also played small forward, devastated squads across the Association. He was a versatile and explosive threat that could score, pass and rebound. For a couple of seasons with the Orlando Magic, T-Mac seemed to be the only member of the team, which is a testament to his fortitude to do all he can to lift his squad.

T-Mac led the league in scoring in his last two seasons (2002-03 and 2003-04) with the Magic. His four seasons in Orlando saw him average an incredible 28.1 PPG. He played in seven straight All-Star games, was voted to seven All-NBA teams (two first team selections) and named the 2000-01 NBA Most Improved Player. His career 22.4 PER is the 25th best of all-time, despite finishing with a relatively lackluster 108 ORtg.

McGrady never played a full season in his career, but played 70+ games in seven of 13 full seasons and 49 games in the strike-shortened 1998-99 season. Nagging injuries hampered T-Mac for a good chunk of time, but isn’t enough to hamper his place on the list. Still, he could have been so much better

6. Ray Allen, Milwaukee Bucks (1996-2003), Seattle SuperSonics (2003-07), Boston Celtics (2007-Present)
1102 G; 20.2 PPG; 3.6 APG; 4.3 RPG; 2.4 3PTM; 45.2 FG%; 89.3 FT%; 1.2 SPG

Allen is the greatest three-point shooter of all-time and flat-out one of the best shooters ever. He possesses what is arguably the most beautiful quick release and stroke in the history of the game. Allen appeared in one of the essential hoops movies, “He Got Game,” playing Jesus Shuttlesworth, which is apropos as his and Kevin Garnett’s arrival helped save the Boston Celtics and brought them back to being champions.

He averaged 20+ points per contest in eight consecutive seasons before joining the Celtics. In 11 of the last 12 seasons, Allen has averaged at least 2.1 makes from beyond the arc and never averaged less than 1.4 in a season. He is the NBA’s career leader in triples drained (2,612) and also has the single season record of 269. Allen led the league in three-point makes in three seasons, played in nine All-Star games and was named to two All-NBA teams. He owns a 19.2 PER and 114 ORtg, both excellent numbers.

Allen simply makes it rain from the perimeter and has enjoyed a fairly durable career, seeming to also age like fine wine. At 35 years old, he shows no sign of slowing down as a shooter and is the ubiquitous cagey veteran. It wouldn’t surprise me if he played at a fairly high level for the next few seasons.

5. Reggie Miller, Indiana Pacers (1987-2005)
1389 G; 18.2 PPG; 3.0 APG; 3.0 RPG; 1.8 3PTM; 47.1 FG%; 88.8 FT%; 1.1 SPG

If you were ever a Knicks fan during the 1990s, you indubitably hated, even loathed, Reggie Miller. Eight points, nine seconds … enough said. Miller obviously came up big in high pressure situations. He was one of the first, and probably the best, at shooting the trey and kicking his feet out in hopes of drawing a foul. Miller is one of the best shooters the game has ever seen and loved being a villain.

Before Ray Allen came along, Miller was the career three-point field goals made leader (2560), and also led the league in makes in two seasons. As prolific as he was from beyond the three-point line, he was as proficient from the charity stripe, leading the league in free-throw percentage in five seasons. He’s the ninth best shooter from the free-throw line with his 88.8 percent. Miller played in five All-Star games, made an All-NBA three times and finished with a 19.5 PER and excellent 119 ORtg.

Miller was one of those players that you hated, but secretly wished he played on your team. If you weren’t an Indiana Pacers fan, it was easy to both hate and respect him. Miller talked a ton of trash and got into the mind of opponents. Just ask John Starks. He was competitive and hid behind boyish looks and reminded me of the the schoolyard instigator. Miller played all 18 seasons of his career with one team, which is a rarity nowadays.

4. Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat (2003-Present)
547 G; 25.4 PPG; 6.3 APG; 5.1 RPG; 0.6 3PTM; 48.5 FG%; 76.9 FT%; 1.8 SPG

Wade’s time in the league has been relatively short compared to those in the top five, but his impact on the floor can be felt like a haymaker to the face. In fact, it wouldn’t be crazy to rank him third. Wade makes his living by attacking the basket like the rim owed him money. However, he is more than just a slasher and penetrator looking to score, because he has great skill in setting his teammates up. The numbers speak for themselves, but they don’t show you the blood and guts of the player on the floor.

He led the league in scoring one season (2008-09 at 30.2 PPG) and after his rookie season that saw him average 16.2 PPG, Wade has never averaged less than 24.1 PPG in seven seasons. He’s made seven straight All-Star games, starting in 2005, and won the game’s MVP in 2010. He was named to six All-NBA teams and three All-Defensive teams. He owns one NBA championship (2006) in which he was also named the NBA Finals MVP. His 25.7 PER is sixth-best of all-time and he currently has a 111 ORtg.

Have no doubt that Wade wants the pill at the end of the game and is better suited than teammate LeBron James to make things happen in the clutch. Overlook Game 6′s turnovers this season because Wade has taken his team on his back and drove them to a title. And for all the praise heaped on LeBron, if the duo stays together, Wade will always be a plus-one when it comes to titles.

3. Clyde Drexler, Portland Trail Blazers (1983-1995), Houston Rockets (1995-98)
1086 G; 20.4 PPG; 5.6 APG; 6.1 RPG; 0.8 3PTM; 47.2 FG%; 78.8 FT%; 2.0 SPG

For a time, Drexler was considered to be the Western Conference version of Michael Jordan. He was a prolific scorer, but also dropped dimes, grabbed boards and ripped rocks in bunches. Drexler led the Portland Trail Blazers to two NBA Finals, eventually winning a title with Hakeem Olajuwon and the Houston Rockets in 1995.

Drexler averaged 20+ points in seven seasons, but never averaged less than 18.4 PPG after starting fairly regularly during the 1985-86 season. He played in 10 All-Star games and was voted to five All-NBA teams. As proof of his versatility, Drexler is 25th overall in NBA career points (22,195), 27th in career assists (6,125), 36th in career offensive rebounds (2,615) and seventh in steals (2,207). He finished with a 21.1 PER and 114 ORtg.

Drexler was a hidden talent in Portland until they started making playoff appearances on the regular. I remember hearing from people that he had as good hops as Michael Jordan and I didn’t believe it. I knew about Phi Slamma Jamma, a nickname for the a group of players that played for the University of Houston when Drexler was there, but I was dubious to the claim. Until I read that he dunked on a 11-foot-7 rim at an event. The comparison to Jordan because they played during the same time will probably always be there, but while he didn’t achieve the things that Jordan did, Drexler has nothing to be ashamed of.

2. Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers (1996-Present)
1103 G; 25.3 PPG; 4.7 APG; 5.3 RPG; 1.3 3PTM; 45.4 FG%; 83.7 FT%; 1.5 SPG

Bryant is one of the most polarizing players the game has ever seen. You either love him or hate him, but there’s no denying his greatness. He’s as competitive as they come and has come off cocky to the extreme. Bryant’s game to some degree mimics Michael Jordan’s and Kobe has been almost as successful as His Airness, winning five titles compared to Jordan’s six.

Kobe has not averaged less than 22.5 PPG a season starting in the 1999-00 season, making it a dozen straight years of putting the ball in the basket a whole lot. He’s finished in the top 10 in scoring average in 10 of the last 11 seasons. He’s currently sixth all-time in points scored (27,868), and with Shaquille O’Neal retiring, is the active career points leader. Bryant has made 13 All-Star games, including 12 straight, won the All-Star game MVP four times (2002, 2007, 2009, 2011). He’s been named to 13 All-NBA teams, including nine first team selections. Kobe also made the 11 All-Defensive teams, including nine first-teams. He was the NBA Finals MVP twice and the regular season MVP once.

Bryant is the closest thing to Jordan and will probably be the closest thing ever. His fire, competitiveness and desire to kill opponents is comparable to Jordan, but Bryant will never be what Jordan is/was — The GOAT — since he needed Shaquille O’Neal to win his first three championships. And if you don’t think Bryant wants four more titles to equal Jordan’s six chips as the main man, you’re crazy.

1. Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls (1984-1993; 1994-98), Washington Wizards (2001-03)
1072 G; 30.1 PPG; 5.3 APG; 6.2 RPG; 0.5 3PTM; 49.7 FG%; 83.5 FT%; 2.3 SPG

Air. This is where Jordan resides as a player relative to every other person that has stepped foot on the NBA hardwood. He is the GOAT, a killer on the court and the player every high-flying shooting guard gets compared to, before eventually crashing to Earth, unable to hold Jordan’s jockstrap. Simply the best ever.

Jordan led the league in scoring 10 times, in strings of seven and three straight seasons. He is the career leader in points per game average and is third overall in total points (32,292). For all his offensive acumen, he was just as good on defense, leading the league in steals three times. He’s the second-best ball thief of all time (2,514). Jordan played in 14 All-Star games, winning the game MVP three times (1988, 1996, 1998). He won the NBA Rookie of the Year, as well as the Defensive Player of the Year. Jordan was the regular season MVP five times, but where His Airness really stands out is winning the NBA Finals MVP six times!

What else is there to say?

Feel like I omitted someone unfairly or disagree with the order above, feel free to hit me up on Twitter or get going on the comments below. Next week, we “fly” towards the small forwards!

Comments (54)

  1. The Clyde-Wade placement may cause some debate, but overall good list.

  2. Great choices. You may have included vince carter at 11, but that’s your choice

  3. Jordan needed pippen… you forgot to add that.

  4. Good list Dennis… but surely Wade goes ahead of Drexler.

    I don’t know what your criteria is for ranking them, but if you were coaching a team in the fourth quarter of Game 7 of an NBA Finals, and both Wade and Drexler were on your bench, who would you put on the floor?

    MJ destroyed Drexler during the 90′s… and he would taken care of Wade as well, but Wade would not have been remembered as Jordan’s whipping boy like Drexler was.

  5. Incredible that Miller is above Allen-Allen is better in every statistic, has a championship, and maintained his high level of play longer than Miller.

  6. @ Matt D :
    Problem with Wade is his career isn’t finished yet. In the end, he might pretty well top Drexler. But it can also not be the case. Just look at the Mc Grady example : after seven season would you have made the same statement about him as you do now ?

    @ kirk :
    Nonsense… Jordan needed Pippen like Kobe needed Gasol. Problem is that in the Shaq-Kobe era, it was Shaq needing Kobe, not the other way around…

  7. Where is VC15, he should be at least at richmonds place, pure legend!

  8. Great list, makes me think that Shooting Guard could be the most important position in championship teams, what do you think? Ofton thought that a dominant PF isn’t as good as a dominant C and I know PG is more important now than ever but thinking SG could be the most important position on the court.

  9. Wade is 6’4”, same height as Gary Payton. He would’ve been a PG 15 years ago and he would’ve been lucky to score 15 points against Jordan.

  10. @ oldschool:
    I appreciate your thoughts mate, but I would have Wade ahead of Drexler even if his career finished today. I never would have made a statement like that about McGrady… a guy who couldn’t win a playoff series.

    You could also make the case that Wade is #2 on the list. If he had played with Shaq in his prime for eight years like Kobe did, I think he would have won more than 3 rings with him.

  11. What position does brian scalabrine play? if sg, bad list. if sf ill be waiting.

  12. i’m so glad you included tracy mcgrady in there. i hate how no one even talks about him anymore. im still a fan of tracy mcgrady even though i can’t watch all his games, and im glad you guys still respect his greatness.

    and great list :D

  13. I definitely would have put Allen above Reggie Miller, and I adored Reggie as a kid. I’d also probably put Vince Carter somewhere at the end of this list, but I don’t remember the early 90s (Richmond, Dumars) well enough to justify that.

    Also no way Wade goes higher than #4, give me a break.

  14. I would have had Allen Houston in my top 10. He was deadly.

  15. How about Vince Carter?

  16. If you were to pick one of these players to be your 2 guard, do you think your team would be better with Tmac or Mitch Richmond instead of Ginobili? Hard to argue I would’ve thought. Ginobili does what it takes to win games, and has at every level he’s ever played. The same can’t be said for Richmond and Tmac.

  17. LeBron won the MVP in 2010 not Wade. Also Allen should be over Reggie, Reggie is remembered as greater due only to his one series win over the Knicks. He was actually a pretty underwhelming superstar most of the time, having only one great skill. Glad you had Manu instead of Vince, one was at his best in the post season and the other had no heart and folded.

  18. @James
    He meant the ASG MVP.

  19. His Airness is still the greatest ever.

  20. The only greatest list VC should be on is a “what could have been”.

    Being a Raptors fan, I admit, I’m a little jaded when it comes to VC, but dude had no “fire”.

    He is the guy that show’s up to work just to get the paycheck.

    He is spiteful though, cause he always burns us when he comes back. SMH.

    I always wonder when/why the wheels feel off……

  21. At first, I was suprized not to dominique, but then I remembered he played small forward. whoops

  22. Completely accurate list. Anybody who takes issue is just stirring the pot for it’s own sake (not that there’s anything wrong with that.)

    Wade, if his body holds up (big if- his game is predicated on physical sacrifice. Not very savvy) will finish ahead of Drexler but can’t catch Kobe unless the Heat rattle off a fistfull of championships.

    Miller is ahead of Allen because of his theatrics. Sounds stupid, but the drama and entertainment that Miller brought to the NBA gives him the edge. Both are all-time great shooters, but Miller’s persona as well as his permanent status as “the franchise” on the one team on which he stayed his whole career outweighs Allen’s one title.

    Keep in mind that if Henry Abbott were writing this list, Kevin Martin would be in the #1 slot (STATS, y’all!)

  23. Take Tracy McGrady and Reggie Miller off the list and we’ll talk.

  24. Miller > than Allen. Saying that Miller did only one thing well is not accurate at all. He not only could shoot, but in his day attack the basket quite well. He also could play great D and got into the head of the opposing teams best player.

    Allen is a great shooter who modeled his game after Millers. Millers impact on a game was much greater than Allens. Plus, even though Allen is a pretty clutch player, he doesnt touch Miller in that category. Miller is a top 5 clutch player of all time imo.

  25. Richmond > Carter? You gotta be kidding me…

  26. Only ommission I can see may be Paul Pierce, but I assume he’ll be considered an SF. Good list.

  27. How can you have Wade so high?? This list should go as follows: MJ, Ray Allen, Miller, Drexler. After that it doesn’t really matter. I wouldn’t put Wade anywhere near the top 5 because his “title” is suspect due to controversial officiating as is the rest of his game. Hell, even Kobe’s legacy can be questioned due to the criminal officiating LA has received for years. Not to mention, Kobe has played with Shaq and Gasol. When Kobe was the man, his teams sucked.

  28. Carter’s omission is shocking- but not for the reasons one would think. He absolutely should NOT be on this list- but, as his career enters it’s final few seasons, it’s shocking that somebody with more natural ability than perhaps ANY player EVER would end up to be such a massive disappointment.

    The shocking part is that Carter is a few years from retirement, and we’re able to grasp a sense of what the totality of his legacy will look like: A few great years of dunking, a good playoff run in Toronto, and then a slow, lazy, inexorable decline into mediocrity. Orlando was the final chump to invest in Carter’s potential, finally unloading him to Phoenix for the corpse of Hedo Turkoglu, where he morphed into his final iteration: team cancer.

    He should have been better than Kobe Bryant (can you imagine if Kobe had had the physical gifts of Carter?) but as it is, he can’t even walk next to the man.

  29. @Mike, Your post makes no sense. Ray Allen is #2? followed by Reggie Miller and Clyde Drexler? Over Kobe Bryant and Dwyane Wade?

    Your post is dripping with bitterness. You’re calling Kobe’s five titles, scoring accolades, MVP and rest of his sterling resume into question because of OFFICIATING?

    With regard to Shaq, if you’re old enough to recall, Kobe carried those teams. Shaq was certainly the team’s leader, but he came into camp out of shape and coasted through the regular season. The Lakers don’t win a single one of those first three titles without Kobe. Nor do they without Shaq. If you think Kobe rode Shaq’s coattails to ’00, ’01 and ’02, you weren’t watching.

    The idea that Kobe was not “the man” (a stupid phrase, but whatever) on the ’08, ’09 and ’10 Finals teams is absurd. You think he’s riding shotgun to Gasol? Are you high?

    You seem to be doing the same thing to Wade: His title apparently doesn’t count because of “controversial” officiating.

    I remember kids like you on the playground. If something didn’t go your way, there was always a problem or a flaw in the setup- “that didn’t count!” “do-over!” … Sadly, you don’t get to do that as an adult. I don’t know if you’re a traumatized Blazer or Kings’ fan, or whatever, but whatever bitter tales your echo-chamber of self-pity has been feeding you about the Lakers and referees, i’m sorry to say, it just ain’t true.

  30. yeah and i play with kids who hit one 3 pointer out of 20 shots and think they are amazing

  31. I’m glad to see only one post suggesting that Wade should be ahead of Drexler. Good real NBA fans come to this site.

    It’s too bad VC never amounted to anything with all that talent. He could have made #3 on this list.

  32. Only thing I disagree with is Miller > Allen. Allens stats and achievements >>>> Millers, and he has a ring to boot. People need to get over the one time he beat the Knicks.

  33. I would of put Dumars a few spots higher, he was tremendous on both sides of the court and really was one of the only players who really made Jordan work hard. I would take Dumars over Mitch and I also think Reggie should be below Dumars. Reggie ran around picks and shot the ball…if the system wasn’t there for him, he would struggle. He couldn’t take players off the dribble and was at best a average defender. He also didn’t make player around him better, he could shoot.

    As for the comment about Pippen, Pippen is by far one of the most overrated players ever in the NBA. The guy was a second option player who vanished when times got tough, if you don’t believe me, why don’ you ask Portland. Nothing like losing a 17 pt lead to a young Kobe Bryant who destroyed him in the last quarter. Jordan created Pippen, Pippen never had the killer instinct and Jordan would bail him out of tough situations with his greatness.

  34. Thanks for posting this list, a few comments though:

    1) McGrady should not be on this list. His years at the top were too few to be considered top 10 in the last 30 years. Also you can argue that he’s a SF not a SG.

    2) Iverson should have been on this list rather than the pg list. He played sg most of his time in Philly, and is no doubt one of the great scorers ever.

    3) Ginobli should be higher. This guys contributions to the spurs cannot be more underrated. He’s got a great outside game, is one of the best off the dribble, relentless at attacking the rim, one of the best playmaking sg’s i’ve ever seen. He should be no lower than 6. To me the debate between whether he is better than Ray Allen is one of the better debates out there.

    4) Right now you have to put Kobe ahead of Wade because of longevity, but when it’s all said and done, I think Wade’s career may eclipse Kobe’s even if he doesn’t get 4 or 5 rings. He can literally score from anywhere on the floor, and is probably the best defensive guard of this era.

  35. i gotta think VC has to be at least at number 10

  36. @Thomas

    I agree wholeheartedly with points 1, 2, and 3. Iverson was miscatagorized, for sure, and should probably have McGrady’s spot on this list (I have no problem with losing T-Mac either.)

    Ginobli should indeed be higher. Perhaps #8. History will end up being very kind to him- we’ll consider him an all time great one day, upon reflection.

    With regard to your fourth point- I disagree. Wade’s offensive arsenal (“score from anywhere on the floor”) is inferior to Kobe Bryant’s. Kobe’s footwork, post game, midrange jumper and three point shot are better than Wade’s, and i’d argue that Kobe’s off-the-dribble game, as well as his on-ball defense, in his athletic prime, was just as good as Wade’s is now. It’s easy to make an unflattering comparison to Kobe right now, as Bryant’s athleticism is fading and Wade’s is in full bloom- but I still think that Wade’s game is WAY too predicated on attacking the rim and, moreover, getting to the line. It works well now, but, like LeBron, if he doesn’t start making the transition to develop his “old man game” now, as Kobe did at his age, the dropoff will be steep when the knees start to go. I think Wade needs rings to even sniff at Kobe. It’s not impossible though- the Heat could still win five in a row.

  37. Pacers beat the Knicks in 1995 and 2000.

    (They were robbed in 99, but then again, I’m a Hoosier.)

  38. Miller is definitely higher than Allen….and maybe better than Wade. He is a more impact player than Allen is considering that he always comes big when the team need him mosts…that’s why there is “Miller time”. A great player does not succumb to the pressure during big games….unlike Allen and Wade. If Allen is really a great player, he should have not been traded by his team/s. Wade can’t even deliver against a 38 year old Kidd.

    Dumars should be higher out there…maybe no. 7. Just like Reggie, he delivers when the team needs him most.

    Both Reggie and Dumars played against the best SG of all time in MJ….and they both give MJ a tough battle….in which cannot be said of Allen & Wade.

  39. I agree with everyone on your list, however, I do wonder where Allen Iverson’s name is? I am from Detroit and therefore have a ton of hatred for the guy… And I know he has burned a lot of bridges the last 5 years, but even I can admit he should be on this list. The one to bump? to me is easily McGrady…

    and why is everyone calling for Vince Carter’s inclusion? If the list went 15-20 deep, for sure he’d be there. Best dunker EVER, but not a top ten shooting guard. Heck, Rip Hamilton is a better SG then VC from a shooting and defensive stance.

  40. WAT about my man v.c.

  41. A few things: Tmac shouldn’t be on the list. In his prime maybe, but it isn’t Top 10 of the last 30 years in their prime, it’s just top 10 of the last 30. Considering his career died in like 08 and is now just a shell of who he was, thats hardly 10 years of productive basketball. Also, his lack of any meaningful career accomplishments (rings, records, never making it out of 1st round) should be the final nail in the coffin.

    Also, Ray Allen is better than Reggie Miller. I love both of them, but ray allen has reggie miller beat in every statistical category (including rings) and he is still playing. Ray can play as long as he wants to barring injury because of the way he has taken care of his body. Also, Ray is the ideal man from the franchise perspective, due to his professional demeanor and the fact that he has never been a headache (not that reggie really has either). To me this is just as important as reggies theatrics. Reggie has some of the most memorable moments in the NBA (8 points 9 seconds), but he isn’t any more clutch than ray is. If you don’t believe me, watch the first round match up between the bulls and Celtics in ’09 playoffs. Ray Allen dropped bombs all over the bulls in crunch time. Both can and do hit huge shots. They are very similar, but you can’t argue when one has better stats and career accomplishments

  42. The idea that Carter is one dimensional and could only jump high is laughable. He was one of the best non PG passers in the league, and was great as a Net.

  43. Gotta use the per minute stats:

    Per 36, Gino (I’m biased, sure, but the numbers aren’t) has 19 5 and 5, with 1.9 steals.

    Kobe’s per 36: 25 pts, 5 rebs, 4.5 assists, and 1.5 steals.

    The 5 points might look like a big bonus, but Kobe takes 19.2 attempts per 36, while Gino has 13.9. So kobe’s basically getting 1 point per attempt over Manu.

    Honestly, I know nobody believes this except everyone with a brain (plus those people in San Antonio who do not have brains but are Spurs fans because it’s where they live), but ON THE FLOOR, Manu was better than Kobe. Manu was always coachable, as gutsy and tough as Kobe, and he’s been a better defender (I don’t know about the charges drawn per 36, but I’m willing to bet that Manu has at least a 3-1 advantage there, while still maintaining a lower foul rate than Bryant.)

    Now, I don’t know how he compares to the earlier guys, but if you look at the per minute stats, Manu’s been more effective and less costly. Not only that, but his clutchness is undeniable, while Kobe’s has been pretty much disproven anywhere that good stats are used.

  44. Also, how do you get to write this stuff? I’m not trying to be a dick, but there are plenty of people who could do a more well-reasoned and coherent analysis and write more interesting… stuff.

    I mean, really, just check these choice bits:

    “Dumars just went about his job, which holds a special place to the blue-collar community of Detroit. Humble and hard-working describe Dumars best.”

    “There is still a few seasons left in him where if he stayed healthy, could jump him a place or two on this list.”

    “I remember hearing from people that he had as good hops as Michael Jordan and I didn’t believe it. I knew about Phi Slamma Jamma, a nickname for the a group of players that played for the University of Houston when Drexler was there, but I was dubious to the claim. Until I read that he dunked on a 11-foot-7 rim at an event.”

    Not incomprehensible, or offensive, or wrong, just blegh. Messy grammar, boring statements, and pointless junk. Really, we needed to be told about Phi Slamma Jamma? And that it’s rare for a player to play his whole career for one team nowadays?

  45. Reggie is ranked ahead of Ray because Reggie was the primary reason the Pacers were relevant. Ray, despite playing with a list of guys who would make Reggie drool (Cassell, Glen Robinson, Lewis, KG, Pierce), has mostly deferred from leading his teams.

    Who did Reggie ever have to help him? Artest? Sorry but Reggie over Ray. No disrespect to Ray, who clearly belongs in the top 10.

  46. I agree that Miller is much better than Allen.

    Remember that Miller was the star of those Pacers teams and carried them deep into the playoffs year in and year out. I think with Miller as the centerpiece of the offense (he only took a diminished role when Jalen Rose started to blossom), the Pacers made the conference finals 5 times from 1994-2000. Ray Allen carried the Bucks deep in 2001, but otherwise does not have the same record of success and total impact.

    Miller was a killer who was dominant at times. For the past 5-6 years Allen has just been an elite specialist, he is not better than Miller.

  47. It’s really hard to argue with this list. everything but mj as numba 1 can be contraversial but for the most part you got alotta the right guys on there

  48. Dumars should be ahead of Mitch Richmond, Reggie Miller and Ray Allen. Dumars was a far superior defender then any of these players and still could do that they did on the offensive side. Specially when he was at his best, Reggie was clutch but needed screens and couldn’t create his own shot. Allen, same scenario.

  49. Richmond is way better than Vince Carter, there is no debate. Carter was blessed with all the talent in the world, and he squandered it. Carter was a horrible, horrible defender who gave inconsistent effort at best. Richmond played hard night in and night out on a team with Olden Polynice as starting center. Jordan said Richmond was the toughest defender he ever faced, and that Richmond had no weaknesses in his game.

    No one on this list had a worse supporting cast than Richmond, and he still managed to make the All-NBA team 5 times.

  50. Man, Carter gets no respect…..he declined faster than most expected, but much of his time in Toronto and New Jersey were great. He makes my top 10.

  51. Latrell Sprewell is a big omission, Miller is whore shit has no business on this list let alone at 5.

  52. Good list man very well done. The main thing a lot of these people don’t get is how Miller played. He created his shot, he made clutch shots, and he lead his team. Allen is a great shooting guard but he tends to camp by the 3 point line. Miller was a better player on both ends of the court.

  53. Allen Iverson!!! I really hope that the NBA and its fans don’t overlook how special and impactful he was. Second only to Kobe in his era.

  54. This List is bullshit. Allen Iverson is definitely a top 10 shooting guard of all time

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