Point guards. Shooting guards. Small forwards. All done. Next up, we have the players that clean the glass, shoot high percentages and are inside presences on offense and/or defense. The list of power forwards was difficult to rank at the bottom, but there was no question who the top two would be. It would be a matter of preference of placement, and I believe I went the way most would have.

Here are the factors, in varying degrees, taken into account in making this ranking – statistics, impact on the game, awards and honors, longevity, playoff performance and my own gut instincts. Feel free to disagree and make cases for others in the comments.

10. Shawn Kemp, Seattle SuperSonics (1989-1997), Cleveland Cavaliers (1997-2000), Portland Trail Blazers (2000-02), Orlando Magic (2002-03)
1051 G; 14.6 PPG; 8.4 RPG; 1.6 APG; 0.0 3PTM; 48.8 FG%; 74.1 FT%; 1.1 SPG; 1.2 BPG

The Reign Man. Kemp’s placement in this top 10 list had me thinking hard because his statistics aren’t necessarily incredible and he never won an NBA title. However, it’s hard to ignore his impact on the game because of his extraordinary ability to dunk the ball. Hard, yet graceful, Kemp was a big man that looked both smooth and powerful when cramming it in. And I don’t mean off the court where he was prolific as well. Jokes aside, there were numerous times when my friends and I tried to imitate some Kemp dunk we saw on some highlight. Of course it was an 8-foot rim, but the very fact that kids would copy what a player did says a lot about that player’s impact.

Kemp only averaged 20+ points once in his career, but did average double-digits in rebounding for six straight seasons, during which he did average double-digit points. He made six straight All-Star games and was selected to three All-NBA teams. Kemp finished with a 19.1 PER and 106 ORtg for his career.

Kemp was brimming with potential coming out of Trinity Valley Community College, where he did not play basketball, basically coming into the league straight out of high school. He teamed up with Gary Payton to reach the NBA Finals with the Sonics, but after a contract dispute, Kemp was traded away where he would essentially battle weight issues the rest of his career. Imagining if he stayed with the Sonics is futile, but I have a feeling it would have been more fruitful for all involved.

9. Pau Gasol, Memphis Grizzlies (2001-2008), Los Angeles Lakers (2008-Present)
731 G; 18.8 PPG; 9.1 RPG; 3.2 APG; 0.0 3PTM; 52.2 FG%; 75.1 FT%; 0.5 SPG; 1.7 BPG

Gasol had a successful individual career while with the Grizzlies, but it wasn’t until he was stolen by traded to the Lakers that Gasol really planted the seeds that would get him on this list. Averaging double-doubles and winning a couple of NBA titles will do that. Gasol was the perfect fit for Phil Jackson’s triangle offense, as well as being the beta to Kobe Bryant’s alpha. However, there is no question that it was symbiotic relationship where both players couldn’t have won those titles without each other. Pause.

Gasol has averaged 18+ points in seven of his 10 seasons, including two 20+ campaigns. He’s averaged double-digit rebounds twice, both of which have occurred in the past two seasons. Gasol has played in four All-Star games, won NBA Rookie of the Year (2001-02) and has made the All-NBA team three times in his career, all coming in his full seasons with the Lakers. Thus far, he has the 28th best PER ever (22.1) and an excellent 115 ORtg.

Gasol was thought of as a punk when the Boston Celtics beat the Lakers in the NBA Finals a few years ago, but winning back-to-back titles will do wonders to help people forget you’re soft. That and being a murder suspect. In any case, it seems that the lovefest may be over in La La Land as Gasol is being mentioned in trade rumors regarding Dwight Howard of the Orlando Magic. Well, the love continues here as Gasol remains on the list. Pause.

8. Chris Webber, Golden State Warriors (1993-94; 2008), Washington Bullets/Wizards (1994-98), Sacramento Kings (1998-2005), Philadelphia 76ers (2005-06), Detroit Pistons (2007)
831 G; 20.7 PPG; 9.8 RPG; 4.2 APG; 0.3 3PTM; 47.9 FG%; 64.9 FT%; 1.4 SPG; 1.4 BPG

Sometimes I think people forget just how good Webber was. I know I have and I’ve been a fan since the Fab Five days! However, the Michigan scandal, injuries, and the timeout situation against the North Carolina Tar Heels during the NCAA title game will help make people forget how good Webber really was. He had natural charisma, ridiculous athleticism, and was a born leader. He became somewhat grumpy at the twilight of his career, but do you remember how good he was?!?!

Webber averaged 20+ points 10 times in his career, including nine straight seasons from 1994-95 to 2002-03, although he wasn’t always healthy throughout. Webber averaged double-digit rebounds six times, including leading the league during the 1998-99 season at 13.0 rebounds per game. He was selected to five All-Star games and was the NBA Rookie of the Year (1993-94). Webber made five All-NBA teams, including one first team selection (2000-01). He finished his career with a 20.9 PER and 104 ORtg.

In the end, despite the excellent numbers, it’s hard to think that Webber fulfilled his potential in the NBA. After watching the highlights I linked to, it’s obvious that Webber was super-talented and on the same level as Kevin Garnett. If you look at the stats, other than proficiency from the charity stripe, the numbers are eerily similar. Poor C-Webb, if only he could have stayed healthy.

7. Dennis Rodman, Detroit Pistons (1986-1993), San Antonio Spurs (1993-1995), Chicago Bulls (1995-98), Los Angeles Lakers (1999), Dallas Mavericks (2000)
911 G; 7.3 PPG; 13.1 RPG; 1.8 APG; 0.1 3PTM; 52.1 FG%; 58.4 FT%; 0.7 SPG; 0.6 BPG

It’s probably safe to say that the NBA will never see anyone like Dennis Rodman again. He was a free spirit, enigmatic and more laid back about things than a dead person. However, on the court, he put in non-stop effort, played with fire, within the team concept and wanted to win. How else do you explain a skinny 6-foot-7 player averaging 13.1 boards per game in the NBA?

In his 14 seasons, Rodman averaged double-digit points only once (11.6 PPG in 1987-88). However, he grabbed double-digit boards 10 straight seasons, although the last two seasons saw the Worm play 35 games total. That said, Rodman did lead the league in rebounding per game average for seven straight seasons from 1991-92 to 1997-98, averaging an incredible 16.7 rebounds per. He made two All-Star games and was named the NBA Defensive Player of the Year twice (1989-1990 and 1990-91), as well as being named to eight All-Defensive teams (seven first team selections). The Worm was twice named to the All-NBA third team. He ranks 22nd overall all-time in Total Rebounds (11,954) and fourth all-time in Offensive Rebounds (4,329). Rodman’s 13.1 career rebound average is tenth-best all-time and he is tops in Total Rebound Percentage (23.4). He finished with five championship rings (two with the Pistons and three with the Bulls). Rodman had a less than stellar 14.6 PER, but had a very good 114 ORtg.

When I put Rodman on the list — he was a slam dunk to be on it by the way — I thought of Ben Wallace. If I put Rodman on the list, should I include Big Ben? In the end, despite better steals and blocks numbers, Wallace comes nowhere close to the impact that Rodman had on the game. He was an event. People paid attention to him to see what he’d do next. The five titles don’t hurt either.

6. Kevin McHale, Boston Celtics (1980-1993)
971 G; 17.9 PPG; 7.3 RPG; 1.7 APG; 0.0 3PTM; 55.4 FG%; 79.8 FT%; 0.4 SPG; 1.7 BPG

McHale was the man of a thousand moves in the post. With knuckle-dragging long arms to go with his immense skill level, McHale was a nightmare for defenders to guard. He wasn’t athletic at all and was herky-jerky with all of his head fakes, upfakes, spins and everything else, but it doesn’t matter what you look like as long as the ball goes through the net. Plus, he was almost as good with his interior defense.

McHale averaged 20+ points per game for five seasons, which happened to all come consecutively from 1985-86 to 1989-90. He never averaged double-digit boards, peaking at 9.9 per game (1986-87) and only average more than nine rebounds twice. McHale did lead the league in field-goal percentage in back-to-back campaigns (1986-87 and 1987-88), shooting at a 60.4 percent clip in both noted seasons. He averaged two or more rejections per game five times in his 13-year career. McHale played in seven All-Star games, was named the NBA Sixth Man of the Year in back-to-back seasons (1983-84 and 1984-85). He only made the All-NBA team once, but it was a first team selection. McHale was on six All-Defensive teams total, evenly split at three apiece for the first and second teams. Most importantly, he is a three-time NBA champion. McHale is the thirteenth-best shooter from the field all-time with a 55.4 field-goal percentage, and finished with a 20.0 PER and eleventh-best all-time 118.5 ORtg.

Being a Knicks fan growing up, I obviously hated the Celtics. However, I could appreciate and respect the players, despite hoping they all got one-day knee injuries that prevented them from playing New York. First man to hate was of course Larry Bird, but after that, definitely McHale. If I were a coach, I would have every big man that plays hoops watch McHale tapes everyday because he was big-time effective and one of the best post players ever.

5. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks (1998-Present)
993 G; 23.0 PPG; 8.4 RPG; 2.7 APG; 1.2 3PTM; 47.6 FG%; 87.7 FT%; 0.9 SPG; 1.0 BPG

Nowitzki is the first, and most, successful jump-shooting European big man to come to the NBA. Obviously he is more than just a jump shot, but it’s that stroke from the outside that defines his legacy. Oh, and that championship ring.

Nowitzki has averaged 20+ points per game in the last 11 seasons, while never averaging double-digit boards during his 13-year career. However, he has averaged nine-plus boards five times. Nowitzki has been named to 10 consecutive All-Star games, made 11 straight All-NBA teams that include four first team selections, was named NBA MVP (2006-07) and NBA Finals MVP this past season for Nowitzki’s lone NBA championship. He’s the 14th-best free throw shooter all-time (87.7 percent), 23rd ever in total points (22,792) and 22nd  in points per game average (23.0). Nowitzki owns the 15th-best PER for a career (23.7) and an impressive 117 ORtg.

Dirk seems to have at least three more very good seasons left in him, and if the coming season is played and the Mavericks can keep the same crew, Nowitzki could add another ring to his hand. He should be the paragon of every European big man with a similar game, but most importantly, they should copy Nowitzki’s determination to win. He was on the cusp of being one of those great players without a ring, but Dirk didn’t think so!

4. Kevin Garnett, Minnesota Timberwolves (1995-2007), Boston Celtics (2007-Present)
1195 G; 19.5 PPG; 10.7 RPG; 4.1 APG; 0.1 3PTM; 49.8 FG%; 78.8 FT%; 1.3 SPG; 1.5 BPG

Garnett came into the league as thin as any chances I may have with Mila Kunis. He transformed after a one-year adjustment into one of the best ever to play the game. Yes, I feel comfortable saying that. KG has a plethora of skills, ridiculous amounts of passion and has basically been durable his whole career. Sure, he could come off as a bit of a jerk lately, but who can honestly say they wouldn’t want him on their team? Joakim Noah’s opinion doesn’t count.

Garnett averaged an incredible 20-10-5 during six consecutive seasons from 1999-2000 to 2004-05. He averaged the 20/10 benchmark in three other seasons that includes four straight seasons when he led the league in rebounding (2003-04 to 2006-07). Garnett was selected to 14 All-Star games, including a dozen straight, and was named All-Star Game MVP once (2003). He won one NBA Defensive Player of the Year award (2007-08), as well as making the All-Defensive team 11 times that includes nine first team selections. Garnett was named the league MVP once (2003-04) and selected to nine All-NBA teams (four first team). He’s 16th in total rebounds (12,819) that includes being third overall in defensive rebounds (9,874). Garnett has the 19th highest PER of all-time (23.4) and a 111 ORtg.

When KG won his ring along with Ray Allen and Paul Pierce, it helped cement Garnett’s place in the game — a versatile big man that played with palpable intensity. Coming in fourth on this list says a lot about Garnett, and if it’s any consolation, at least he has a ring the next two players don’t.

3. Charles Barkley, Philadelphia 76ers (1984-1992), Phoenix Suns (1992-96), Houston Rockets (1996-2000)
1073 G; 22.1 PPG; 11.7 RPG; 3.9 APG; 0.5 3PTM; 54.1 FG%; 73.5 FT%; 1.5 SPG; 0.8 BPG

Full disclosure, Barkley is my favorite NBA player of all-time. More disclosuring , I still own a t-shirt jersey of Barkley when he was on the Sixers that I bought back in 1987. When my wife threatened to throw it out, I threatened divorce. True story. (OK, not a true story, but you get the point.)

Barkley averaged the magical 20/10 11 times in his 16-year career and a double-double every season other than his rookie season when he averaged 14.0 points and 8.6 rebounds in 28.6 minutes per game. Sir Charles led the league in rebounding average one season (14.6 in 1986-87). He was selected to 11 consecutive All-Star games from 1987-1997 and won the MVP award for the 1991 game. He also made 11 straight All-NBA teams from the 1985-86 season through 1995-1996, including five first team selections. Barkley was also named NBA MVP for the 1992-93 season. Sir Charles finished ninth in free-throw attempts (8,643), 11th in free-throws made (6,349), fifth in offensive rebounds (4,260), 17th in total rebounds (12,546), 19th in rebounding average (11.7) and 18th in total points (23,757). Barkley owns the 11th highest PER (24.6) and eighth best ORtg (119.3) in NBA history.

I considered putting Barkley in front of the next player, but it didn’t seem right. Although I could have cited that Barkley had more mass appeal, possessed more charisma, was appreciated for being outspoken and having a sense of humor. He was a role model regardless of what he said. I love that even now Barkley doesn’t take “stuff.” I don’t love his golf swing, however. Chuck, no matter what I wrote on this list, you’re the real number one!

2. Karl Malone, Utah Jazz (1985-2003), Los Angeles Lakers (2003-04)
1476 G; 25.0 PPG; 10.1 RPG; 3.6 APG; 0.1 3PTM; 51.6 FG%; 74.2 FT%; 1.4 SPG; 0.8 BPG

Malone had a long and fruitful career, except when it came to championships. He came close with John Stockton a couple of times, but it wasn’t meant to be, thanks to Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls. Look at the stats and you’ll see that he is one of the most boring superstars ever. (We’ll ignore the whole Rodman, DDP and Hulk Hogan thing because that was more of a joke if you ask me.) But, hey, being boring doesn’t disparage all of the things that Malone accomplished, because there was plenty.

In Malone’s 19-year career, he hit the 20/10 mark in 10 seasons and averaged 20+ points per game in 17 seasons, but never led the league in any statistical category. He played in 14 All-Star games, including 11 straight at one point from 1988-1998, and was named the MVP for the 1989 and 1993 contests. Malone was named to four All-Defensive teams, three of which were first team designations. He made 14 straight All-NBA teams that includes 11 first team selections. The Mailman was voted the MVP for the 1996-97 and 1998-99 seasons. Malone finished fourth overall in games played (1,476), second in minutes played (54,852), second in field goals (13,528) and field goals attempts (26,210), first in free-throws made (9,787) and free-throw attempts (13,188), first in defensive rebounds (11,406), sixth in total rebounds (14,968), 10th in steals (2,085), first in turnovers (4,524), second in personal fouls (4,578) and second in total points (36,928). The Mailman finished with the 14th-best PER (23.9) and a 113 ORtg.

Malone is arguably the best player in NBA history without a ring, which is a bittersweet thing to say. He was so great, but just not great enough. Still, did you see all of the stats in the previous paragraph? Geez. Plus, Malone has one of the best signature dunks in NBA history. Play on, playa. If the Mailman had a couple of those titles that he was close to, he’d probably take the top spot on this list.

1. Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs (1997-Present)
1053 G; 20.6 PPG; 11.4 RPG; 3.1 APG; 0.0 3PTM; 50.8 FG%; 68.8 FT%; 0.7 SPG; 2.3 BPG

Duncan came out in beast mode from the beginning, averaging 21.1 points, 11.9 rebounds and 2.5 blocks his rookie season, while playing alongside the great David Robinson, a perfect mentor for TD. In his second season, Duncan helped lead the Spurs to an NBA title, his first taste of championship success. Duncan’s four titles play a big role in Duncan’s placement here and why shouldn’t it? Was he boring like Malone? Yes. The difference is that TD won titles, so he gets that top spot.

Until last season when he averaged 8.9 rebounds, Duncan averaged a double-double every year since his NBA Rookie of the Year campaign, which includes nine 20/10 seasons. He averaged two-plus blocks per game for 10 consecutive seasons and since then has averaged 1.9, 1.7, 1.5 and 1.9 respectively. The Big Fundamental has played in 13 All-Star games, winning the MVP in the 2000 game. Duncan made 13 All-Defensive teams, which include eight first teams. He was named to 13 All-NBA teams that include nine first team selections and won the MVP award for the 2001-02 and 2002-03 seasons. Duncan helped the Spurs win four NBA titles and was named the NBA Finals MVP in 1999, 2003 and 2005. He is currently ninth in defensive rebounds (8,831), 21st in total rebounds (12,013), 20th in rebounds average (11.4), ninth in blocks (2,381) and has the 15th-best blocks average (2.3).  Duncan has the ninth-best PER (24.8) and has a 110 ORtg.

Duncan is an all-time great and is arguably the best power forward ever to play. The numbers and the titles make a strong case.

Feel free to leave comments and/or disagreements below or on Twitter. If I don’t tweet back quickly, it’s becasue I’m putting my Barkley t-shirt jersey back in its hiding spot.

Comments (51)

  1. yes thank you for DIrk on this list!

  2. Maybe I’m a reactionist, but before the playoffs I said if Dirk managed to win he’d be number 2 on this list, with an opportunity to pass Duncan if he managed to win a second one. He had a worse supporting cast than KG, was his franchise and led them to 50+ year after year, and was as impactful on offense as KG was on defense.

    Granted I’m projecting a few more seasons of high level Nowitzki, but if he has three more 2000 point seasons he’s right there in top 10 all time scoring before he even played past 35.

  3. Including Kemp on this list over players like Rasheed is absurd. Especially considering Carter was left off the SG list.

    • Kemp was better than rated.He always gets dissed.While in Seattle starting nat age 19,he was in the top 5 rebounders in the league (#3 for 6years only Rodman beat him every year.)That means he out rebounded Malone,Barkley,Duncan,Hakeem etc. and all the centers.He was asked to play the other teams best player at SF,PF or Center. He avg 20pt s and 11 rebs as a Sonic Better in the playoffs where he was awesome except when they lost Denver in round 1 When he should’ve still been playing w college kids.But even that yr he led the Sonics to the best regular season record ever. Watch him Kick Webbers ass .He had classic matchups w Malone,Rodman and Barkley. See 96 playoffs where he ruled Beating Malone and then playing Center vs Hakeem. and I would take him over Rodman anyday (Kemp Rebs almost as well and gives 20pts) I would put Kemp at #7 Scored more as needed , but played w/Gp Detlef and Perkins McDaniels (all 20pt scorers

    • Kemp had his down years at the end and still has better stats than Rasheed. I like Rasheed, but Kemp ‘s #s arenot reflective of the fact he playred w a high scoring POint man GP. as a Sonic #s are almost the same . he also played center 1/2t he time and was 3rd in rebs three times in the league. Played with a number of scorers, and was more a teamplayer than he get credit for Guarding Malone Barkley etc and ewing, Hakkeem, shaq …. he played against he best an won his share see 96 Playoffs vs all the names. Lost to da bulls, but not because of Kemp.

  4. I’m a bit skeptical on Shawn Kemp being on that list, but overall…good list. I can’t wait for the Centers segment. I think I know who will be number 1 on that list.

  5. I think Kemp is here mainly for his role in changing the perception for PFs? Really starting to make this position highlight-worthy, bringing real high-flying thletic feats :)

    Otherwise I agree Sheed should have been up there.

  6. Shawn Kemp over Chris Bosh?? I know there are alot of people unhappy with Bosh and yes he hasn’t won a title, but the jones just posted an article last week about leaving bosh alone and noting that he was statistically one of the top 20 power forwards of all time, but he doesn’t even make the 3 decade list?

  7. As a Jazz fan I must request that you use a different Tim Duncan picture…

  8. I think Karl Malone was too high on this list……yes the man scored, scored, and scored some more for 20 seasons but is that enough to put him at no. 2?

    If thats the criteria then Dirk should be ahead of him because Dirk is almost as good a scorer AND he led a team to a ring. Other than that, great list, loved seeing the Reignman on there. He definitely deserves it in my eyes, along with the high fling dunks, he had a LETHAL baseline spin move, and a great drop step move, and a decent mid range game. always beasted on the boards too.

    and even though he’s always been listed as a pf, we all know TD is a center, but thats just the way it goes i guess.

  9. Also, I love the fact that Chris Webber made it on this list. A very entertaining yet, talented player, especially when he was with that bad-ass Kings team.

  10. Top 1-5 is hardly discussable. Maybe Garnett over Barkley (D)

    I’d have Rodman over McHale (more titles and individual recogmitions, and again : D)

    Sheed is 11th but close. Arguable, although he wasn’t as good as a 1-A or 1-B player as Kemp, he was a great 3rd-4th best player. He has the title, but he was the 3rd most important player on that team, if you believe Billups’ finals MVP and Ben’s DPOY.

    It’s hard to compare players who still have to play 10 years in the league (like Bosh) to guys who had huge down-years at the end of their career (Kemp). I’d say the 5 best years of Bosh are better than the 5 best years of Kemp, but you can’t really compare more. Amare is kind of in the same conversation to me.

    @Thomas Malone boarded big-time and was a good (although overrated imo) defender.

    and DV, you really should have had honorable mentions, ‘cuz I fell like Shawn Marion is getting screwed over not being in any conversation. The guy is/was really underrated. I don’t know if he is/was a SF or a PF, but I’m kinda shocked to be the only one shocked of his exclusion. There.

    • Watch the 96 playoffs and tell me Bosh is better than Kemp. HE TOOK ON HAKEEM & WON. HAD AN EVEN BATTLE W/ MALONE BUT THE SONICS WON. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-21-30
      BOSH SUCKS IN PLAYOFFS He played center for 8yrs and only in top 10 2 times in rebs.
      Kemp has more blocks. Bosh only made playoffs 2 times w/o Lebron in 8 yrs.

    • Checkout head to head stats or Kemp b4 u dog him …
      He matches up almost even w/Barkley in playoff match ups
      Barkley 22pts 13 rebs 3 asst 450 fg%
      Kemp 21pts 10 rebs 3 assts 560 fg% 2 + blks

      Rodman 7 pts 13 rebs
      Kemp 23pts 10 rebs 2+ blks

    • didn’t Bosh play center 8 of 11 yrs so far ? Not that he has an inside game .
      Why do his stats go down in the playoffs. How many times did he make it past the 1st round
      b4 the Heat, for that matter make the playoffs
      big 3 lol. Maybe w/ Allen
      Gaspl played center over 1/2 his career too.


  11. btw I could imagine Bosh at 8 and Amare at 9 in a few years. Maybe even higher, depending on the rings. They’re in their prime right now.

  12. Sheed’s defense was far better than Kemp’s, and was as important to the Piston’s as Big Ben’s, if not more so. Sheed was probably one of the best one on one post defenders of the generation.

  13. No way Bosh has been better than Kemp, you realize Kemp had to battle Barkley, Malone, Hakeem, etc. and had his share of wins against them. Can you imagine Bosh having to go up against them, not even close…….

    People have a short-term memory, in his prime Kemp was a BEAST!

  14. no love for Jack Sikma? what a joke

    • to bad he had to play center. Opposite as Duncan who is a PF because he played w/ D Robinson. And people call Bosh a PF now,but he played center for 8yrs

  15. Shawn kemp? Are u f***in kiddin me? LOL wow! Amar’e Stoudemire is more deserving. He contributed way more to his team than Kemp, and has better stats, and it isnt even the end of his career. BTW Kevin Garnett should either be number 2 or number 3. Hes way better than Sir Charles. I also find him more versatile than Malone, so i think he should be number 2.

    • Kemp was better than rated.He always gets dissed.While in Seattle starting nat age 19,he was in the top 5 rebounders in the league (#3 for 6years only Rodman beat him every year.)That means he out rebounded Malone,Barkley,Duncan,Hakeem etc. and all the centers.He was asked to play the other teams best player at SF,PF or Center. He avg 20pt s and 11 rebs as a Sonic Better in the playoffs where he was awesome except when they lost Denver in round 1 When he should’ve still been playing w college kids.But even that yr he led the Sonics to the best regular season record ever. Watch him Kick Webbers ass .He had classic matchups w Malone,Rodman and Barkley. See 96 playoffs where he ruled Beating Malone and then playing Center vs Hakeem. and I would take him over Rodman anyday (Kemp Rebs almost as well and gives 20pts) I would put Kemp at #7 Scored more as needed , but played w/Gp Detlef and Perkins McDaniels (all 20pt scorers

  16. @OLL
    Wasn’t big ben guarding the best opposite inside scorer (aka Shaq)?`And he was a much better help defender. I mean: you don’t get 4 DPOY by chance.
    An argument can be made for Sheed as 10, there’s no clear-cut, but I think Kemp’s sheer superstardom (being one of the top10 players in the league during 3-5 seasons) eclipses Sheed who had his better numbers with a devastated Portland team and his best defensive years with a loaded Pistons one.

    btw, to me Ben is a C, but I don’t think you’ll find a spot for him there either (I mean: Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, Mourning, Yao, Parish, Kareem, Mutombo, Howard, Sikma, …), I would, because of the 4 DPOYs, but I don’t think you will…

    • Kudo’s,but Kemp had 7great seasons. Granted was only top 3 in the league for rebounding in multi categories 3 times,,but was 5th over 8 yrs.. He did whatever was needed while in Seattle. When they had Cage he didn’t have to concentrate on the boards. He also played on a defensive oriented, lower scoring team (#1 in blocks all time for Sonics). This is why he wasn’t a prolific scorer (could’ve been), combined with the fact he played w/ GP the scoring point guard (awesome when he did set the assist) and had to share the ball w/Detlef, Perkins, Pierce, McDaniels etc

  17. Come on anyone who thinks any power forward not named Duncan or Malone is better than Sir Charles doesn’t know anything bout basketball. Sure now all we see is the KGs, Dirk, Amar’e even Boshtrich, and we assume they are better. how would any of those people have fared on a team that included MJ, Magic and Bird(the Dream Team). and Barkley was clearly the best player in that tournament.

  18. Sheed should there over Webber I think, Webber has better stats and was a great passer/playmaker from the 4 spot but Sheed has a better scoring game (post game, face up J, 3 pt shot, etc) than CWebb and was a better defender. Both were very unselfish and played on some great teams, but I think Sheed should be higher on the list than CWebb.

  19. There’s a couple people questioning the Reign Man (Shawn Kemp) on this list, this is a godddamn shame. You guys obviously didn’t watch ball in the mid 90′s and are comparing Bosh to him is an insult, even Amare (who I love) is not at Kemp’s level. Kemp was the best athlete to ever play the 4 spot (over Amare) and played against the real big men of the 90s before the NBA went soft and dominated. Also, he outplayed MJ for an entire series in the finals. Check the link below, he’s # 21 on that list. Here is what it says.

    “This might have been the only series in Michael Jordan’s career in which he wasn’t the best player on the floor. Although the Bulls still won in a relatively easy six games, Kemp was a force of nature throughout.

    Reign Man averaged 23.3 points, 10.0 boards and two blocks, and shot 55.1 percent for the series. He did this, mind you, against the greatest team of all time, showcasing his freakish athleticism along with a surprisingly smooth midrange J and seemingly stamping himself as a superstar for the next decade.

    As we all know, it didn’t quite turn out that way for Kemp, but his was one of the best performances ever by a player on a losing team. ”

    Who thinks Bosh would have done this against the Bulls dynasty? GTFOH

    Kemp makes my all 90′s team

    PG – Penny
    SG- MJ
    SF- Pippen
    PF – Kemp
    C – Hakeem

  20. BUOYA!!!! I was hoping Dirk would be number 2.

  21. Dirk is a defensive liability and always has been. People are arguing that he should be higher… He more likely should be lower. <3 McHale's moves man. I'm really surprised nobody has tried to imitate.

  22. LOL @ guy saying Chris Bosh should be in the list…

    I had made my own list in anticipation of this one, and I got it mostly right (I had Barkley lower) except I totally forgot about Chris Webber. I had Tom Chambers rounding out the top ten in his absence.

    I wish we had an honorable mention pool for these lists, by the way. Always nice to see whow as close.

  23. If you give me 1 scorer and 4 Rodmans, my team would smoke anybody’s.

  24. Anyone saying Amare or Bosh over Kemp is INSANE! Kemp was a monster and would dunk on anybody. Kemp in his prime in today’s league would utterly embarrass them and throw down right in their faces. It took literally the best team ever to beat him and Payton. If he had stayed in Seattle, they would have won a championship and his career probably would have turned out a whole lot different. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHaqPxsZwUY

    Same goes for Webber. He was a beast and if Horry’s shot was an inch off or he didn’t hurt his knee, no one would ever doubt his legacy.

  25. @Krayzie Penny over Payton? You’re Krayzie all right.

    And Kemp over Malone? Nuh-huh. No way.

    Come on, man! Dirk is the only one on that list besides Duncan who took his team to a ship as the best player on his team. And he may be one of the best offensive players ever. Sure he sucks on D, but not that much.

  26. Nobody is saying Dirk is a stellar defender here, but that wasn’t so big of a detriment to keep him from winning a ring. What Dirk doesn’t do can be negated by the rest of the roster around him, the top three guys listed weren’t 75% free throw shooters, let alone 87%. At the end of the day I’d wager that lesser shooting cost those guys an equal amount of games than Dirk’s defense did to his teams.

  27. /\ is wrong.

    That difference in FT percentage is 2 pts per 10 fts. Even if you assume that these guys are shooting 10 a game (which they don’t), that’s 2 points. Now, I’m goddamned certain that upgrading from Dirk to Timmy is going to give you a defensive boost worth more than 2 pts a game, because Tim was a defensive genius and Dirk’s never been better than par.

    Dirk is an all-timer, but he’s riding high off the last Finals. I’d have him after Webber, because Webber could be dropped into pretty much any team and they’d be a big step better. For all his offensive amazing, Dirk needs to be built around: Strong inside presence on D, quality passers, some floor spreading guys, and better-than-average rebounders at the 3.

    More obvious way: Tim Duncan could start on any team that ever was, and they would be better than they were (even the 86 Celts), while Dirk wouldn’t fit on a lot of the great teams.

  28. Are you all tripping? Rasheed Wallace? You mean the balding guy more famous for complaining than actually playing? You mean the guy so notorious for not crossing either three point line for the few minutes he would play for the celtics? I’m sorry guys, but Wallace is a bum, no question about it. He wasn’t even his teams third best player on those championship teams. You are tripping.

  29. How many times has Dallas had a team that was actually better than the Lakers or Spurs? Just because Ginobli and Terry both won 6th man of the year awards do not make them equal players. Just because Gregg Poppovich and Avery Johnson both won COY doesn’t mean that coaching has been equal for the two teams. Dirk just won with Jason Kidd as his starting point guard, San Antonio decided to stay with Tony Parker instead of Jason Kidd 8 years ago! San Antonio was 3-2 against Dallas in playoffs series, so it’s not as if Dirk can’t beat Tim Duncan in the playoffs. Duncan went to a franchise which was already good and had an mvp on it, who got the top pick because their mvp got injured 1 season and the team was able to recover right after, Dallas stunk for a decade before Dirk arrived.

  30. larry johnson was my favorite player of all time.. NOT saying he makes any list, but i just want it known

  31. idk if i can put Charles Barkley ahead of Dirk, Dirks got a ring, and great stats as well…

    Same with putting Dirk behind ANYONE other than Tim. Maybe Malone, But Dirk should be 3rd at least.

  32. I think I would bump Dirk ahead of KG by a hair. But I think Pau is a bit under-rated here. I think 6, ahead of McHale (no disrespect but he played for an absolutely loaded team), and Rodman (who has gone from under rated to over rated in the last 2 or 3 years. Kobe gets Pau, 3 straight Finals, back to back rings. Bird got his first title when Kevin was still a 20 minute a game rook. And Pau led a 50 win team with very little help in Memphis.

    And as far as Kemp, eh. Iffy pick there but not insulting.

  33. dirk at No. 5? he’s the top PF, after the 2011 finals dont you think everyone should have changed their opinion on dirk? this year, he played his consecutive 114 games, anyone else can do that?

  34. @Jason

    I also disagree with you about Dirk, not just because of his defense, but because he is such a specialist that he doesnt really affect the game as much as the other players on the list. Nowitzki gets almost no offensive rebounds or assists, he is just an A+ jump shooter who is impossible to guard. Also, his supporting casts have always been awesome. Dallas consistently has one of the highest payrolls in the league. Nowitzki has never had bad teammates.

    In general: I think the biggest problem on this list is Malone as #2, and it seems like the argument is made just looking at numbers and all-NBA lists, etc. If you actually go back and watch these games, you see that Malone simply was not as dominant as people believe. He scored mainly off pick and rolls and rarely came through in the clutch.

    If you watch any game with Barkley, the man was simply larger than life on the court, he seemed to be everywhere at once: impossible to guard 1 on 1 (whereas Malone had no refined low-post game), Barkley also won several games on last-minute rejections. Just watch game tape, and tell me Malone affected games the way Barkley did. Barkley’s body broke down eventually and he didnt have the numbers of Malone, but if you were picking teams from scratch Barkley has to be #2 at power forward.

  35. Kemp was my favorite player when he was with the Sonics! People let the bad outweigh the good. Kemp was Seattle’s #2 all time rebounder ,#1 all time in blocks and 5th all time in scoring. He was 3rd in the league 3 times and in the top 5 from age 20-28 while in Seattle. In other words he out rebounded all the great PF’s and centers of that period regularly,except Rodman. Including Shaq, Ewing,Hakeem,Robinson, Malone,Barkley etc.. played Center as needed and matched upwell in the era of Great PF’s. We measure greatness by whole careers,though they are all different lengths. If you look at Kemp while in Seattle,he out rebounded all PF’s except Rodman (but outscored Rodman by 15pts per game). So who was better then?

    Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/12/26/2414560/a-regular-seattle-legend.html#.UP9hsrrFlEg.facebook#storylink=cpy

  36. Rodman does not belong on this list. Take away the dyed hair and the antics and he’s just another good specialty player. Every one on this list played every aspect of the game except Rodman. Buck William, and Kevin Willis belong on this list over Rodman. He was not a Power forward at Detroit(Mahorn/salley) he did not play power forward until he was with Chicago. He was at this point only a rebounder and a wrestler. He could only get away with that type of play in Chicago(Jordan Rules) 8 points, 1.8 assist, less than 1 block and steal a game to go with 13.1 Career rebounds. He was a great defender in Detroit playing limited minutes per game. Offensively inept and a 52 percent free throw shooter. Stop believing every thing sports center tells You..

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